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p.34 #1Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
Nathan Padgett wrote:
Has anyone gotten their order from B&H or Adorama yet? Just curious.


I have received two both non NPS, one from B&H, ordered within seconds of them opening preorders, Best Buy as well ordered day one within like 5 minutes of them going live.

Jan 04, 2022 at 12:14 PM
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p.34 #2Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
Just called the store that I ordered the Z9 from.

The store owner told me that NPS separated the Z9 orders into two groups, one December 30th (or maybe he said late December... not sure) and the second group is in mid-January.

He told me "You are in the second group." He said "Ok? So you will be hearing from us shortly."

Robert





Jan 04, 2022 at 12:15 PM
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p.34 #3Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
Easyshot wrote:
...As long as NIKON ships NPS orders to dealers, you can't convince all non NPS customers waiting in line to believe that their position are not manipulated. How do you know if your dealer told you by saying sorry we can't fill your oder yet because there are 3 NPS orders in front of you while there were actually only 2? Your explanation works only with face value of dealer's honesty...


So, what would stop them from doing the exact same thing to you if there were no NPS customers ahead of you? NPS orders or not I can just as easily tell you that we didn't get quite enough delivered to get one to you.
Jan 04, 2022 at 12:30 PM
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p.34 #4Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
I think this supports 1bwana1's original point: Several times, the store owner has said to me.....

"Thanks for your business."


Jan 04, 2022 at 12:31 PM
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p.34 #5Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
1bwana1 wrote:
Nikon has a very hot product being introduced in difficult times.

Nikon has an NPS program that includes benefits. This program has fees that people have paid to receive these benefits. That includes priority access to high demand products. This is a well known benefit of the program. Nothing new or special about the Z9 release in this regard.

Nikon has a network of dealers. The majority of these dealers a smaller local photography shops. They provide personalized and specialized services as their unique point of difference from the big box and mail order companies. Nikon recognizes and respects the value
...Show more →

NPS priority delivery is free. It comes with the free NPS membership. You can upgrade to other levels of membership for $150 to $300 per year that get you extra benefits like the ability to try out gear, get free cleanings and checks, and discounts on repairs and shipping.
Jan 04, 2022 at 12:56 PM
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p.34 #6Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
Kasper6188 wrote:
Nathan Padgett wroteHas anyone gotten their order from B&H or Adorama yet? Just curious.
I have received two both non NPS, one from B&H, ordered within seconds of them opening preorders, Best Buy as well ordered day one within like 5 minutes of them going live.



Good for you. Two Z9s. That is cool. Quite a nice backup! Post a pick of those bad boys next to each other!
Jan 04, 2022 at 12:58 PM
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gdsf2 wrote:
NPS priority delivery is free. It comes with the free NPS membership. You can upgrade to other levels of membership for $150 to $300 per year that get you extra benefits like the ability to try out gear, get free cleanings and checks, and discounts on repairs and shipping.


Thanks for the clarification. I have edited my post to reflect that.
Jan 04, 2022 at 01:02 PM
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Kasper6188 wrote
Nathan Padgett wroteHas anyone gotten their order from B&H or Adorama yet? Just curious.
I have received two both non NPS, one from B&H, ordered within seconds of them opening preorders, Best Buy as well ordered day one within like 5 minutes of them going live.
Good for you. Two Z9s. That is cool. Quite a nice backup! Post a pick of those bad boys next to each other!


Thanks man, luck of the draw. I knew I wanted one far before I watched the press videos so I was ON it! :P



Jan 04, 2022 at 01:11 PM
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p.34 #9Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
You should sell me one!!! Lol. Then I will sell you mine when it comes in so I don’t have to wait. Haha. So jealous.

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Kasper6188 wrote
Nathan Padgett wroteHas anyone gotten their order from B&H or Adorama yet? Just curious.
I have received two both non NPS, one from B&H, ordered within seconds of them opening preorders, Best Buy as well ordered day one within like 5 minutes of them going live.
Good for you. Two Z9s. That is cool. Quite a nice backup! Post a pick of those bad boys next to each other!
Thanks man, luck of the draw. I knew I wanted one far before I watched the press videos so I was ON it! :P

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51798573112_b8c1116b58_o.jpg


Jan 04, 2022 at 01:42 PM
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p.34 #10Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
If you have a 400 f/2.8, you can have his z9
Here you go
Jan 04, 2022 at 01:53 PM
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Lol. I don’t have either. That being said if I did I wouldn’t be trading either of them for a $5500 camera.

saaketham wrote:
If you have a 400 f/2.8, you can have his z9
Earlier quoteHere you go

Jan 04, 2022 at 01:57 PM
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gdsf2 wrote:
Easyshot wrote
gdsf2 wrote
Easyshot wrote
gdsf2 wroteWhat I don’t get about all this NPS whining is Nikon USA has said all NPS orders will be delivered by mid- January. Which means in 2 weeks NPS will be a non-issue and all Z9s will start going to non-NPS customers. Is a 3 week wait worth this level of animosity? I would think this would be welcome news for everyone, especially given the current supply chain shortages.

And in regards to Nikon NPS distributing via the Nikon USA store, or through dealers, who cares. Given Nikon is prioritizing NPS orders made through 12/19 (which is how they have always prioritized NPS orders) their choice of distribution channel has zero impact on non-NPS members. But, it does have an impact on the dealers, and that is why Nikon does distribution via dealers. It would be horrible for Nikon to say to its dealers “hey, we are going to offer priority delivery to your customers but only if they buy directly from us, so sorry for your lost sales.”

How Nikon handles NPS members is correct in my opinion. You can’t buy your way in (unlike Canon). You have to be a paid professional photographer. I didn’t have a problem with it before I was an NPS member and I don’t have a problem with it now. There are a relatively small number of NPS members (because you can’t buy in) and therefore this is much ado about nothing.

It is all the false rumors about 700,000 preorders and no shipments till October 2022 (like in the above video) that have caused all the angst. If folks would just avoid all the fake news and put the Z9 in perspective in regards to the real issues we all face, the wait would be much easier to endure.
Instead of 700,000 units that was proven to be Japanese yen of the z9 unit price, I believe somewhere that said 40,000 units preorder to be more accurate. Also another language or culture misunderstanding about the Oct 2022 is that the retail store in Japan were trying to tell all inquiry about z9 in mid December that if you order one now (Dec), you have to wait until Oct 2022 to get it delivered. This is very true if you learnt from Ricci who told you the z9 production capacity is 3500 units a month.

That said, if you order in mid Dec 2021, you can only get it in Oct 2022 but if you are NPS member you can get it by mid January. If this is not a "short cut", then what to call it? In Vahagraphy's video what his claim was simple, "my money is the same money NIKON will get from selling a z9". If NIKON can't deliver to all (we know it can't), it should handle this in a better way. Like I reply the other day, Nikon should handle directly (only delivery part providing selling profit remain in dealer) just like an airline's special window to handle their silver member. We all know silver member has priority, isn't it better that by doing so a silver member doesn't need to cut in front of a waiting line to enjoy the privilege?
There is no line at a photo dealer. That is where your airline analogy breaks down. The dealer has a list of non-NPS pre-orders. The dealer will fulfill those non-NPS preorders as they get open stock cameras. The cameras that are reserved for NPS members come with the members name on it and are not part of the open stock allotment. In addition, the allocation of NPS cameras and open stock cameras received by the dealers are not interchangeable by the dealer.

When an NPS camera arrives at the dealer, the dealer sells it to the NPS member. The other folks waiting for Z9s do not see, nor should they have any reason to know about, the transaction.

Are NPS members getting priority, absolutely. If you want to say that is not fair, you are welcome to that opinion.

But, would anything change just by Nikon distributing NPS cameras directly to NPS members instead of via their dealers. Nope, not at all. It would not speed up non-NPS delivery, it would not hide the NPS priority system nor make it more transparent. Also, it would not help you know when you are going to get your camera (your dealer already has a pretty good idea which of their pre-orders are NPS). It would change nothing except piss of dealers as their profit would take a hit.

I hope we can end this now.
I thank you for your reply.

As long as NIKON ships NPS orders to dealers, you can't convince all non NPS customers waiting in line to believe that their position are not manipulated. How do you know if your dealer told you by saying sorry we can't fill your oder yet because there are 3 NPS orders in front of you while there were actually only 2? Your explanation works only with face value of dealer's honesty. You can check eBay has sold 3 z9 bodies at $12600, $12,000, and $12400 with last two just sold today. Whoever get their body faster they potentially win quite a big financial gain.

Of course I don't think this is fair. But because you said NPS has long been with priority, I have no intention to fight on this with you anyway, also because I don't do photography for living.

I am more concerned about my 800mm F6.3 PF lens preorder. I placed my order to a dealer and I am pretty sure I owned the 1st position as the guy who handled my preorder told me so. Recently I called the dealer again to ask about z9 and also the 800PF lens position, this sales person refused to say anything about the position I have any more. It is the NPS priority that bother on one thing seemed to be delightful. I don't know how many positions to be pushed away from the top that I own supposely without the NPS.

So not you, but NIKON to call it an end.
Nobody has placed an NPS order for the 800mm. It is not available yet. So maybe your issue is with your dealer, not Nikon.

That being said, if your dealer is honest (no reason they should not be) you will get the first open stock lens.


Everyone seems not really care, are you all NPS? If not, say something.

This is exactly what will strike me when the 800pf became available. I am at the dealer's top 1 list but when NIKON begin taking NPS orders, will I get my 800pf first, or just to be pushed down for months due to NPS priority. How an honest dealer should be handling this?

Anyone here working in NIKON dealership, or those who claim knowing the NPS thing for decades, give me some idea. Why or why not.

I did call NIKON USA today, the receptionist couldn't help at all.


Jan 04, 2022 at 08:40 PM
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p.34 #13Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
Easyshot wrote:
gdsf2 wrote
Easyshot wrote
gdsf2 wrote
Easyshot wrote
gdsf2 wroteWhat I don’t get about all this NPS whining is Nikon USA has said all NPS orders will be delivered by mid- January. Which means in 2 weeks NPS will be a non-issue and all Z9s will start going to non-NPS customers. Is a 3 week wait worth this level of animosity? I would think this would be welcome news for everyone, especially given the current supply chain shortages.

And in regards to Nikon NPS distributing via the Nikon USA store, or through dealers, who cares. Given Nikon is prioritizing NPS orders made through 12/19 (which is how they have always prioritized NPS orders) their choice of distribution channel has zero impact on non-NPS members. But, it does have an impact on the dealers, and that is why Nikon does distribution via dealers. It would be horrible for Nikon to say to its dealers “hey, we are going to offer priority delivery to your customers but only if they buy directly from us, so sorry for your lost sales.”

How Nikon handles NPS members is correct in my opinion. You can’t buy your way in (unlike Canon). You have to be a paid professional photographer. I didn’t have a problem with it before I was an NPS member and I don’t have a problem with it now. There are a relatively small number of NPS members (because you can’t buy in) and therefore this is much ado about nothing.

It is all the false rumors about 700,000 preorders and no shipments till October 2022 (like in the above video) that have caused all the angst. If folks would just avoid all the fake news and put the Z9 in perspective in regards to the real issues we all face, the wait would be much easier to endure.
Instead of 700,000 units that was proven to be Japanese yen of the z9 unit price, I believe somewhere that said 40,000 units preorder to be more accurate. Also another language or culture misunderstanding about the Oct 2022 is that the retail store in Japan were trying to tell all inquiry about z9 in mid December that if you order one now (Dec), you have to wait until Oct 2022 to get it delivered. This is very true if you learnt from Ricci who told you the z9 production capacity is 3500 units a month.

That said, if you order in mid Dec 2021, you can only get it in Oct 2022 but if you are NPS member you can get it by mid January. If this is not a "short cut", then what to call it? In Vahagraphy's video what his claim was simple, "my money is the same money NIKON will get from selling a z9". If NIKON can't deliver to all (we know it can't), it should handle this in a better way. Like I reply the other day, Nikon should handle directly (only delivery part providing selling profit remain in dealer) just like an airline's special window to handle their silver member. We all know silver member has priority, isn't it better that by doing so a silver member doesn't need to cut in front of a waiting line to enjoy the privilege?
There is no line at a photo dealer. That is where your airline analogy breaks down. The dealer has a list of non-NPS pre-orders. The dealer will fulfill those non-NPS preorders as they get open stock cameras. The cameras that are reserved for NPS members come with the members name on it and are not part of the open stock allotment. In addition, the allocation of NPS cameras and open stock cameras received by the dealers are not interchangeable by the dealer.

When an NPS camera arrives at the dealer, the dealer sells it to the NPS member. The other folks waiting for Z9s do not see, nor should they have any reason to know about, the transaction.

Are NPS members getting priority, absolutely. If you want to say that is not fair, you are welcome to that opinion.

But, would anything change just by Nikon distributing NPS cameras directly to NPS members instead of via their dealers. Nope, not at all. It would not speed up non-NPS delivery, it would not hide the NPS priority system nor make it more transparent. Also, it would not help you know when you are going to get your camera (your dealer already has a pretty good idea which of their pre-orders are NPS). It would change nothing except piss of dealers as their profit would take a hit.

I hope we can end this now.
I thank you for your reply.

As long as NIKON ships NPS orders to dealers, you can't convince all non NPS customers waiting in line to believe that their position are not manipulated. How do you know if your dealer told you by saying sorry we can't fill your oder yet because there are 3 NPS orders in front of you while there were actually only 2? Your explanation works only with face value of dealer's honesty. You can check eBay has sold 3 z9 bodies at $12600, $12,000, and $12400 with last two just sold today. Whoever get their body faster they potentially win quite a big financial gain.

Of course I don't think this is fair. But because you said NPS has long been with priority, I have no intention to fight on this with you anyway, also because I don't do photography for living.

I am more concerned about my 800mm F6.3 PF lens preorder. I placed my order to a dealer and I am pretty sure I owned the 1st position as the guy who handled my preorder told me so. Recently I called the dealer again to ask about z9 and also the 800PF lens position, this sales person refused to say anything about the position I have any more. It is the NPS priority that bother on one thing seemed to be delightful. I don't know how many positions to be pushed away from the top that I own supposely without the NPS.

So not you, but NIKON to call it an end.
Nobody has placed an NPS order for the 800mm. It is not available yet. So maybe your issue is with your dealer, not Nikon.

That being said, if your dealer is honest (no reason they should not be) you will get the first open stock lens.
Everyone seems not really care, are you all NPS? If not, say something.

This is exactly what will strike me when the 800pf became available. I am at the dealer's top 1 list but when NIKON begin taking NPS orders, will I get my 800pf first, or just to be pushed down for months due to NPS priority. How an honest dealer should be handling this?

Anyone here working in NIKON dealership, or those who claim knowing the NPS thing for decades, give me some idea. Why or why not.

I did call NIKON USA today, the receptionist couldn't help at all.




I have explained this to you numerous times. What part of the process do you not understand? At this point I really don’t care about what parts you don’t like.

Nikon will fulfill NPS orders before your order. If NPS orders are less than the total number of lenses available, you will get your lens right away. This was the case with the recent 100-400 release. If NPS orders are greater than the total number of lenses available, you will have to wait. This was the case with the Z9 release.

That being said, Nikon will sometimes send dealers ONE “non-NPS” item in the first allocation, even if there are not enough for all NPS members in the first allocation. So if you are the first non-NPS on your dealer’s list, you COULD get it right away even if the NPS orders are greater than the total number of lenses available.

It has nothing to do with dishonesty or anybody trying to trick you. Don’t be paranoid.

P.S. I really do not even understand why your dealer took your order for the 800 PF. All there has been is a development announcement. It could be years before the lens is available and we do not know the price. You do realize your dealer is not able to place the order with Nikon yet, right?


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Jan 04, 2022 at 09:09 PM
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Easyshot wrote:


This is exactly what will strike me when the 800pf became available. I am at the dealer's top 1 list but when NIKON begin taking NPS orders, will I get my 800pf first, or just to be pushed down for months due to NPS priority. How an honest dealer should be handling this?



A dealer does get a limited stock of non-NPS pre orders.
Jan 04, 2022 at 09:10 PM
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Easyshot wrote:
Everyone seems not really care, are you all NPS? If not, say something.

This is exactly what will strike me when the 800pf became available. I am at the dealer's top 1 list but when NIKON begin taking NPS orders, will I get my 800pf first, or just to be pushed down for months due to NPS priority. How an honest dealer should be handling this?

Anyone here working in NIKON dealership, or those who claim knowing the NPS thing for decades, give me some idea. Why or why not.

I did call NIKON USA today, the receptionist couldn't help at all.

This forum thread is about the Z9 and it's availability, and is not about the availability of the Z 800 PF lens, nor a discussion about NPS. You have inserted your interest and demands in the middle of a thread and derailed the conversation instead of starting a thread where you could get input from those interested in what interests you. The number of respondents would vary depending on those even interested in your thread.

There is a mixture of members here that are NPS and those that are not NPS, just like the mixture of people here that use different camera platforms, different photo interests, etc.

This is not a forum that is monitored by Nikon nor responded to by Nikon. The internet is full of rumors, assumptions, and false claims. In order to bypass those issues, you should do some research of your own if you really want factual information. I was aware of the NPS program, but did research via Nikon sites to learn more about it.

The Nikon Z 800 PF lens *has not* been announced as being available for pre-order, but you found a dealer that is essentially taking a pre pre-order. Nikon will *most likely* prioritize NPS orders when the lens becomes available for pre-ordering similar to what is being done currently for the Z9 and the Z 100-400mm and Z 24-120 lens. This assumption is based on what I have seen done by Nikon most recently, but like life could easily change.

In your case, depending on Nikon's and the dealer's actions in the future, you would *most likely* be the first non-NPS person to get the lens available from that dealer that you pre pre-ordered from. No one has a crystal ball as to the number of NPS orders that the dealer will have that Nikon (*not the dealer*) will prioritize and send to the dealer with the NPS member's name on it, nor know the availability of numbers of the lens, or production rate, or what the world will be experiencing at that point in the future.

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Easyshot wrote:
gdsf2 wrote
Easyshot wrote
gdsf2 wrote
Easyshot wrote
gdsf2 wroteWhat I don’t get about all this NPS whining is Nikon USA has said all NPS orders will be delivered by mid- January. Which means in 2 weeks NPS will be a non-issue and all Z9s will start going to non-NPS customers. Is a 3 week wait worth this level of animosity? I would think this would be welcome news for everyone, especially given the current supply chain shortages.

And in regards to Nikon NPS distributing via the Nikon USA store, or through dealers, who cares. Given Nikon is prioritizing NPS orders made through 12/19 (which is how they have always prioritized NPS orders) their choice of distribution channel has zero impact on non-NPS members. But, it does have an impact on the dealers, and that is why Nikon does distribution via dealers. It would be horrible for Nikon to say to its dealers “hey, we are going to offer priority delivery to your customers but only if they buy directly from us, so sorry for your lost sales.”

How Nikon handles NPS members is correct in my opinion. You can’t buy your way in (unlike Canon). You have to be a paid professional photographer. I didn’t have a problem with it before I was an NPS member and I don’t have a problem with it now. There are a relatively small number of NPS members (because you can’t buy in) and therefore this is much ado about nothing.

It is all the false rumors about 700,000 preorders and no shipments till October 2022 (like in the above video) that have caused all the angst. If folks would just avoid all the fake news and put the Z9 in perspective in regards to the real issues we all face, the wait would be much easier to endure.
Instead of 700,000 units that was proven to be Japanese yen of the z9 unit price, I believe somewhere that said 40,000 units preorder to be more accurate. Also another language or culture misunderstanding about the Oct 2022 is that the retail store in Japan were trying to tell all inquiry about z9 in mid December that if you order one now (Dec), you have to wait until Oct 2022 to get it delivered. This is very true if you learnt from Ricci who told you the z9 production capacity is 3500 units a month.

That said, if you order in mid Dec 2021, you can only get it in Oct 2022 but if you are NPS member you can get it by mid January. If this is not a "short cut", then what to call it? In Vahagraphy's video what his claim was simple, "my money is the same money NIKON will get from selling a z9". If NIKON can't deliver to all (we know it can't), it should handle this in a better way. Like I reply the other day, Nikon should handle directly (only delivery part providing selling profit remain in dealer) just like an airline's special window to handle their silver member. We all know silver member has priority, isn't it better that by doing so a silver member doesn't need to cut in front of a waiting line to enjoy the privilege?
There is no line at a photo dealer. That is where your airline analogy breaks down. The dealer has a list of non-NPS pre-orders. The dealer will fulfill those non-NPS preorders as they get open stock cameras. The cameras that are reserved for NPS members come with the members name on it and are not part of the open stock allotment. In addition, the allocation of NPS cameras and open stock cameras received by the dealers are not interchangeable by the dealer.

When an NPS camera arrives at the dealer, the dealer sells it to the NPS member. The other folks waiting for Z9s do not see, nor should they have any reason to know about, the transaction.

Are NPS members getting priority, absolutely. If you want to say that is not fair, you are welcome to that opinion.

But, would anything change just by Nikon distributing NPS cameras directly to NPS members instead of via their dealers. Nope, not at all. It would not speed up non-NPS delivery, it would not hide the NPS priority system nor make it more transparent. Also, it would not help you know when you are going to get your camera (your dealer already has a pretty good idea which of their pre-orders are NPS). It would change nothing except piss of dealers as their profit would take a hit.

I hope we can end this now.
I thank you for your reply.

As long as NIKON ships NPS orders to dealers, you can't convince all non NPS customers waiting in line to believe that their position are not manipulated. How do you know if your dealer told you by saying sorry we can't fill your oder yet because there are 3 NPS orders in front of you while there were actually only 2? Your explanation works only with face value of dealer's honesty. You can check eBay has sold 3 z9 bodies at $12600, $12,000, and $12400 with last two just sold today. Whoever get their body faster they potentially win quite a big financial gain.

Of course I don't think this is fair. But because you said NPS has long been with priority, I have no intention to fight on this with you anyway, also because I don't do photography for living.

I am more concerned about my 800mm F6.3 PF lens preorder. I placed my order to a dealer and I am pretty sure I owned the 1st position as the guy who handled my preorder told me so. Recently I called the dealer again to ask about z9 and also the 800PF lens position, this sales person refused to say anything about the position I have any more. It is the NPS priority that bother on one thing seemed to be delightful. I don't know how many positions to be pushed away from the top that I own supposely without the NPS.

So not you, but NIKON to call it an end.
Nobody has placed an NPS order for the 800mm. It is not available yet. So maybe your issue is with your dealer, not Nikon.

That being said, if your dealer is honest (no reason they should not be) you will get the first open stock lens.
Everyone seems not really care, are you all NPS? If not, say something.

This is exactly what will strike me when the 800pf became available. I am at the dealer's top 1 list but when NIKON begin taking NPS orders, will I get my 800pf first, or just to be pushed down for months due to NPS priority. How an honest dealer should be handling this?

Anyone here working in NIKON dealership, or those who claim knowing the NPS thing for decades, give me some idea. Why or why not.

I did call NIKON USA today, the receptionist couldn't help at all.



I care now. I think it is because you called them. That’s a start. Before, I did not see it from your perspective. Now I do.

As stated, it is too early for the 800pf.

Westdads put a lot of thought and time into his response to you. I read it. I would seriously consider his advice.

And now I see that gdsf2 explained it to you repeatedly.

Jan 04, 2022 at 09:28 PM
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bs kite wrote:
Easyshot wrote
gdsf2 wrote
Easyshot wrote
gdsf2 wrote
Easyshot wroteInstead of 700,000 units that was proven to be Japanese yen of the z9 unit price, I believe somewhere that said 40,000 units preorder to be more accurate. Also another language or culture misunderstanding about the Oct 2022 is that the retail store in Japan were trying to tell all inquiry about z9 in mid December that if you order one now (Dec), you have to wait until Oct 2022 to get it delivered. This is very true if you learnt from Ricci who told you the z9 production capacity is 3500 units a month.

That said, if you order in mid Dec 2021, you can only get it in Oct 2022 but if you are NPS member you can get it by mid January. If this is not a "short cut", then what to call it? In Vahagraphy's video what his claim was simple, "my money is the same money NIKON will get from selling a z9". If NIKON can't deliver to all (we know it can't), it should handle this in a better way. Like I reply the other day, Nikon should handle directly (only delivery part providing selling profit remain in dealer) just like an airline's special window to handle their silver member. We all know silver member has priority, isn't it better that by doing so a silver member doesn't need to cut in front of a waiting line to enjoy the privilege?
There is no line at a photo dealer. That is where your airline analogy breaks down. The dealer has a list of non-NPS pre-orders. The dealer will fulfill those non-NPS preorders as they get open stock cameras. The cameras that are reserved for NPS members come with the members name on it and are not part of the open stock allotment. In addition, the allocation of NPS cameras and open stock cameras received by the dealers are not interchangeable by the dealer.

When an NPS camera arrives at the dealer, the dealer sells it to the NPS member. The other folks waiting for Z9s do not see, nor should they have any reason to know about, the transaction.

Are NPS members getting priority, absolutely. If you want to say that is not fair, you are welcome to that opinion.

But, would anything change just by Nikon distributing NPS cameras directly to NPS members instead of via their dealers. Nope, not at all. It would not speed up non-NPS delivery, it would not hide the NPS priority system nor make it more transparent. Also, it would not help you know when you are going to get your camera (your dealer already has a pretty good idea which of their pre-orders are NPS). It would change nothing except piss of dealers as their profit would take a hit.

I hope we can end this now.
I thank you for your reply.

As long as NIKON ships NPS orders to dealers, you can't convince all non NPS customers waiting in line to believe that their position are not manipulated. How do you know if your dealer told you by saying sorry we can't fill your oder yet because there are 3 NPS orders in front of you while there were actually only 2? Your explanation works only with face value of dealer's honesty. You can check eBay has sold 3 z9 bodies at $12600, $12,000, and $12400 with last two just sold today. Whoever get their body faster they potentially win quite a big financial gain.

Of course I don't think this is fair. But because you said NPS has long been with priority, I have no intention to fight on this with you anyway, also because I don't do photography for living.

I am more concerned about my 800mm F6.3 PF lens preorder. I placed my order to a dealer and I am pretty sure I owned the 1st position as the guy who handled my preorder told me so. Recently I called the dealer again to ask about z9 and also the 800PF lens position, this sales person refused to say anything about the position I have any more. It is the NPS priority that bother on one thing seemed to be delightful. I don't know how many positions to be pushed away from the top that I own supposely without the NPS.

So not you, but NIKON to call it an end.
Nobody has placed an NPS order for the 800mm. It is not available yet. So maybe your issue is with your dealer, not Nikon.

That being said, if your dealer is honest (no reason they should not be) you will get the first open stock lens.
Everyone seems not really care, are you all NPS? If not, say something.

This is exactly what will strike me when the 800pf became available. I am at the dealer's top 1 list but when NIKON begin taking NPS orders, will I get my 800pf first, or just to be pushed down for months due to NPS priority. How an honest dealer should be handling this?

Anyone here working in NIKON dealership, or those who claim knowing the NPS thing for decades, give me some idea. Why or why not.

I did call NIKON USA today, the receptionist couldn't help at all.
I care now. I think it is because you called them. That’s a start. Before, I did not see it from your perspective. Now I do.

As stated, it is too early for the 800pf.

Westdads put a lot of thought and time into his response to you. I read it. I would seriously consider his advice.

And now I see that gdsf2 explained it to you repeatedly.



Thanks for your reply. I know I should still be pushed down most likely due to NPS priority. I preordered z9 on oct 28 from Adorama about 3 hrs after the announcement. I don't think mid Jan will have one for me. 800PF is the same thing ( but will strike me more) in the future as Z9 is happening now. So be it!

Jan 05, 2022 at 12:48 AM
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Two posts on DPR in the last 15mins saying their Z9 just went to preparing for shipping and credit card charged. No mention of which store or NPS status. I asked them that and await their replies.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4622402
Jan 05, 2022 at 07:28 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
Two posts on DPR in the last 15mins saying their Z9 just went to preparing for shipping and credit card charged. No mention of which store or NPS status. I asked them that and await their replies.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4622402


The OP posted he is NPS and it’s coming direct from Nikon USA.
Jan 05, 2022 at 07:46 AM
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arbitrage wroteTwo posts on DPR in the last 15mins saying their Z9 just went to preparing for shipping and credit card charged. No mention of which store or NPS status. I asked them that and await their replies.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4622402
The OP posted he is NPS and it’s coming direct from Nikon USA.


Now the other guy replied and also Nikon direct and NPS. Looks like Nikon has another batch and is working to get all the NPS orders finished as they promised by mid-Jan. We shall see if more go to the stores this week or if that will come next week.
Jan 05, 2022 at 08:19 AM
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