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Easyshot wrote:
gdsf2 wrote:
Easyshot wrote:
gdsf2 wrote:
Easyshot wrote:
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What I don’t get about all this NPS whining is Nikon USA has said all NPS orders will be delivered by mid- January. Which means in 2 weeks NPS will be a non-issue and all Z9s will start going to non-NPS customers. Is a 3 week wait worth this level of animosity? I would think this would be welcome news for everyone, especially given the current supply chain shortages.
And in regards to Nikon NPS distributing via the Nikon USA store, or through dealers, who cares. Given Nikon is prioritizing NPS orders made through 12/19 (which is how they have always prioritized NPS orders) their choice of distribution channel has zero impact on non-NPS members. But, it does have an impact on the dealers, and that is why Nikon does distribution via dealers. It would be horrible for Nikon to say to its dealers “hey, we are going to offer priority delivery to your customers but only if they buy directly from us, so sorry for your lost sales.”
How Nikon handles NPS members is correct in my opinion. You can’t buy your way in (unlike Canon). You have to be a paid professional photographer. I didn’t have a problem with it before I was an NPS member and I don’t have a problem with it now. There are a relatively small number of NPS members (because you can’t buy in) and therefore this is much ado about nothing.
It is all the false rumors about 700,000 preorders and no shipments till October 2022 (like in the above video) that have caused all the angst. If folks would just avoid all the fake news and put the Z9 in perspective in regards to the real issues we all face, the wait would be much easier to endure.
Instead of 700,000 units that was proven to be Japanese yen of the z9 unit price, I believe somewhere that said 40,000 units preorder to be more accurate. Also another language or culture misunderstanding about the Oct 2022 is that the retail store in Japan were trying to tell all inquiry about z9 in mid December that if you order one now (Dec), you have to wait until Oct 2022 to get it delivered. This is very true if you learnt from Ricci who told you the z9 production capacity is 3500 units a month.
That said, if you order in mid Dec 2021, you can only get it in Oct 2022 but if you are NPS member you can get it by mid January. If this is not a "short cut", then what to call it? In Vahagraphy's video what his claim was simple, "my money is the same money NIKON will get from selling a z9". If NIKON can't deliver to all (we know it can't), it should handle this in a better way. Like I reply the other day, Nikon should handle directly (only delivery part providing selling profit remain in dealer) just like an airline's special window to handle their silver member. We all know silver member has priority, isn't it better that by doing so a silver member doesn't need to cut in front of a waiting line to enjoy the privilege?
There is no line at a photo dealer. That is where your airline analogy breaks down. The dealer has a list of non-NPS pre-orders. The dealer will fulfill those non-NPS preorders as they get open stock cameras. The cameras that are reserved for NPS members come with the members name on it and are not part of the open stock allotment. In addition, the allocation of NPS cameras and open stock cameras received by the dealers are not interchangeable by the dealer.
When an NPS camera arrives at the dealer, the dealer sells it to the NPS member. The other folks waiting for Z9s do not see, nor should they have any reason to know about, the transaction.
Are NPS members getting priority, absolutely. If you want to say that is not fair, you are welcome to that opinion.
But, would anything change just by Nikon distributing NPS cameras directly to NPS members instead of via their dealers. Nope, not at all. It would not speed up non-NPS delivery, it would not hide the NPS priority system nor make it more transparent. Also, it would not help you know when you are going to get your camera (your dealer already has a pretty good idea which of their pre-orders are NPS). It would change nothing except piss of dealers as their profit would take a hit.
I hope we can end this now.
I thank you for your reply.
As long as NIKON ships NPS orders to dealers, you can't convince all non NPS customers waiting in line to believe that their position are not manipulated. How do you know if your dealer told you by saying sorry we can't fill your oder yet because there are 3 NPS orders in front of you while there were actually only 2? Your explanation works only with face value of dealer's honesty. You can check eBay has sold 3 z9 bodies at $12600, $12,000, and $12400 with last two just sold today. Whoever get their body faster they potentially win quite a big financial gain.
Of course I don't think this is fair. But because you said NPS has long been with priority, I have no intention to fight on this with you anyway, also because I don't do photography for living.
I am more concerned about my 800mm F6.3 PF lens preorder. I placed my order to a dealer and I am pretty sure I owned the 1st position as the guy who handled my preorder told me so. Recently I called the dealer again to ask about z9 and also the 800PF lens position, this sales person refused to say anything about the position I have any more. It is the NPS priority that bother on one thing seemed to be delightful. I don't know how many positions to be pushed away from the top that I own supposely without the NPS.
So not you, but NIKON to call it an end.
Nobody has placed an NPS order for the 800mm. It is not available yet. So maybe your issue is with your dealer, not Nikon.
That being said, if your dealer is honest (no reason they should not be) you will get the first open stock lens.
Everyone seems not really care, are you all NPS? If not, say something.
This is exactly what will strike me when the 800pf became available. I am at the dealer's top 1 list but when NIKON begin taking NPS orders, will I get my 800pf first, or just to be pushed down for months due to NPS priority. How an honest dealer should be handling this?
Anyone here working in NIKON dealership, or those who claim knowing the NPS thing for decades, give me some idea. Why or why not.
I did call NIKON USA today, the receptionist couldn't help at all.
I have explained this to you numerous times. What part of the process do you not understand? At this point I really don’t care about what parts you don’t like.
Nikon will fulfill NPS orders before your order. If NPS orders are less than the total number of lenses available, you will get your lens right away. This was the case with the recent 100-400 release. If NPS orders are greater than the total number of lenses available, you will have to wait. This was the case with the Z9 release.
That being said, Nikon will sometimes send dealers ONE “non-NPS” item in the first allocation, even if there are not enough for all NPS members in the first allocation. So if you are the first non-NPS on your dealer’s list, you COULD get it right away even if the NPS orders are greater than the total number of lenses available.
It has nothing to do with dishonesty or anybody trying to trick you. Don’t be paranoid.
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