Obviously they are not making them fast enough for current demand as they are not available lots of places, but the lens is out and a few FM members (Lance for one) have gotten copies of it. No doubt Nikon could do better with keeping up with the demand for this lens as well as the 300 and 500 PF lenses as well.
Steve, Link doesn't work but it is listed as currently back-ordered if you get to the buy page.
p.6 #3 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
I can't believe I spent 15 minutes scanning through 6 pages of this shite!
Why is it necessary to bring your brand bashing crap onto the Nikon board. We are all aware that the Sony fan boys are taking their victory lap, the the Canon fan boys are high fiving their mega-corporate success, and that the Nikon shooters continue to take pictures.
If you don't like Nikon, great...
If you do like Nikon, ignore threads like these; I wish I did...
To quote President Number 43, There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again.
p.6 #6 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
OwlsEyes wrote:
Why is it necessary to bring your brand bashing crap onto the Nikon board. We are all aware that the Sony fan boys are taking their victory lap, the the Canon fan boys are high fiving their mega-corporate success, and that the Nikon shooters continue to take pictures.
I don't think that discussing the business issues facing companies is the same as brand bashing. These are real issues, and worthy of people's interests.
The allegation made in the OP is that Nikon is in such bad shape, and has such a negative view of the camera market going forward, that it is actively shopping for a buyer for its camera division.
If true, then it is a significant event in the camera industry, and of interest to many photography enthusiasts. If Wheeler made it all up, then it is slanderous and bashing on his part. But since there is no way at this point to know the veracity of Wheelers statement, most comments here are discussing the issue from the point of view of does it make sense considering Nikon's current sate of affairs. Whether Wheeler is a fraud or not, in the context of this discussion, I believe most are sincere and not just bashing. There is room for all kinds of points of view on such things.
Sep 07, 2020 at 07:38 PM
Steve Spencer Offline • • • • • • • Upload & Sell: On
p.6 #7 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
glassartist wrote:
Steve, Link doesn't work but it is listed as currently back-ordered if you get to the buy page.
It worked earlier, but it looks like I had the last one in my cart by mistake which sent it into backorder. I removed it from my cart so someone else should be able buy it shortly.
p.6 #8 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
1bwana1 wrote:
I don't think that discussing the business issues facing companies is the same as brand bashing. These are real issues, and worthy of people's interests.
The allegation made in the OP is that Nikon is in such bad shape, and has such a negative view of the camera market going forward, that it is actively shopping for a buyer for its camera division.
If true, then it is a significant event in the camera industry, and of interest to many photography enthusiasts. If Wheeler made it all up, then it is slanderous and bashing on his part. But since there is no way at this point to know the veracity of Wheelers statement, most comments here are discussing the issue from the point of view of does it make sense considering Nikon's current sate of affairs. Whether Wheeler is a fraud or not, in the context of this discussion, I believe most are sincere and not just bashing. There is room for all kinds of points of view on such things. ...Show more →
There was a point in the middle of the thread about content like this serves only to spread FUD and this is the kind of stuff that will continue to spiral out of control and fester into a self-fulfilling prophecy because bad rapport doesn't go away, even in the face of facts. Case in point: OP literally just posted a few hours ago:
On a similar note, hopefully Nikon is able to release the NIKKOR Z 70-200mm f/2.8 VR S Lens --
"Sooner rather than later".
It's already been out now but OP is still in the state of mind to think and hope that it'll only be out "sooner rather than later".
So no, not all content deserves the attention and TAP has built himself a reputation as a provocateur and he's not the only one. We don't have to give them the attention. We do however have to open the curtains every now and then to let the sun shine on the mouldy spots and call out FUD content like that to keep it from growing.
p.6 #9 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
unchecked wrote:
There was a point in the middle of the thread about content like this serves only to spread FUD and this is the kind of stuff that will continue to spiral out of control and fester into a self-fulfilling prophecy because bad rapport doesn't go away, even in the face of facts. Case in point: OP literally just posted a few hours ago:
On a similar note, hopefully Nikon is able to release the NIKKOR Z 70-200mm f/2.8 VR S Lens --
"Sooner rather than later".
It's already been out for weeks now but OP still in the state of mind to think and hope that it'll only be out "sooner rather than later". ...Show more →
And to this threads credit that post was promptly corrected for the poster and any others who were similarly misinformed.
That shows the value of such threads.
Sep 07, 2020 at 07:58 PM
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p.6 #10 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
I know better than to watch any TAP videos, but I can't believe I just read this whole thread.
p.6 #11 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
This is the first time I actually watched one of his vids all the way through.
He had very little to say, and said it over and over and over again. A Vile person.
p.6 #12 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
tntcorp wrote:
... if the shareholders are unhappy, i'm sure the public will be the last to know.
Anytime a Stock goes from say ₯ 2363 JPY (Dec 31, 2017) to approx. ₯ 789 JPY (earlier today)...
I don't think that the average Shareholder is going to be too happy -- With that type of awful performance.
p.6 #13 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
unchecked wrote:
Case in point: OP literally just posted a few hours ago:
... It's already been out now but OP is still in the state of mind to think and hope that it'll only be out "sooner rather than later"...
No problem. Everybody knows that the lens was 'announced' at the beginning of 2020.
However, it is now Eight (8) Months later... And it still is not 'readily' available (or out there) here in Canada or the USA.
Therefore, if it is not available... The company is not making any money on those 'prospective' sales -- At this time.
This product is back-ordered. Order now and we will ship when stock becomes available.
Dragonfire wrote:
... Adorama is presently showing the 500PF on backorder. You can't ring the register if you can't deliver your product and in this Covid-19 economy...
Steve Spencer wrote:
... Obviously they are not making them fast enough for current demand as they are not available lots of places, but the lens is out and a few FM members (Lance for one) have gotten copies of it. No doubt Nikon could do better with keeping up with the demand for this lens as well as the 300 and 500 PF lenses as well.
p.6 #16 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
tntcorp wrote:
name an a7 series body that have lasted +10 years, and a sony lenses that have lasted +15?
the dimensions of the a7 series bodies have been steadily increasing at each iteration for a reason.
Name a Nikon Z camera, or a Nikon S series lens that has lasted even 5 years. That is only 1/2 the standard you are setting for the Sony equipment. Plenty of Sony a7 series, and Sony lenses have lasted that long. No Nikon mirrorless ICL camera or native lens has. There are no Nikon Z/S cameras or lenses that old for the very same reason that there are no a7 cameras 10 years old. It is a silly silly question you ask.
The dimensions of Nikon bodies decreased as they moved to mirrorless. This is a function of the cameras no longer needing a big fat mirrorbox. It has nothing to do with durability.
As you can see, this whole line of questioning is actually a meaningless proposition. Straight nonsensical logic.
Imagemaster's statement of B.S. seems valid enough.
p.6 #17 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
Dragonfire wrote:
Canon and Sony are both selling 7lb - 400 f2.8 and 600 f4 lenses while Nikon is still selling the 8.5lb lenses.
Nikon does not have the capitol to compete and this should have been an Olympic year for the 400 2.8.
it does't make sense for nikon to release an update for an f-mount at this time. who're the targeted buyers?
and where are the equivalent canon & 120-300/2.8, 150-400/4, 500/5.6 & 300/4 pf? and where's is the sony 800/5.6?
Sep 07, 2020 at 10:07 PM
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p.6 #18 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
I'd rather go back to the days before I even considered stuff like this. Nikon has a business. I take photos. Hopefully if the are having issues with something they can get it figured out so that I can buy cameras and lenses from them if I want
But it really isn't my concern if they are making money or not. It is, but I'd rather just concentrate on images. And buying any needed or possibly wanted equipment. Just not that interested in speculation every time they have a bad quarterly report. I shoot Canon, and don't want them to fail, or Nikon, but if they do, buying used is an option like I have for years and hopefully figure out something else in the meantime. But do I want to worry about it every time business is off? Are there any camera companies that you'd buy stock in mow?
This guy says his friends said so. I haven't followed him, and can't tell you how accurate his predictions are. I would have preferred some sort of verifiable info or explanation of readily available financials.
p.6 #19 · NIKON NEWS -- Worse than I thought (*NOT my words).
1bwana1 wrote:
Name a Nikon Z camera, or a Nikon S series lens that has lasted even 5 years. That is only 1/2 the standard you are setting for the Sony equipment. Plenty of Sony a7 series, and Sony lenses have lasted that long. No Nikon mirrorless ICL camera or native lens has. There are no Nikon Z/S cameras or lenses that old for the very same reason that there are no a7 cameras 10 years old. It is a silly silly question you ask.
The dimensions of Nikon bodies decreased as they moved to mirrorless. This is a function of the cameras no longer needing a big fat mirrorbox. It has nothing to do with durability.
As you can see, this whole line of questioning is actually a meaningless proposition. Straight nonsensical logic.
Imagemaster's statement of B.S. seems valid enough.
