p.12 #3 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Bottom line for me is, I think this is a very cool camera for a few specific purposes. Unfortunately for me, while I like doing landscapes, I also use my cameras for other various things, and since it can't replace a 7DII for high-FPS racetrack work, nor a 6D/5D3 for low-light work, it's just too expensive for me to buy as a 3rd DSLR.
If I was a paid studio/landscape photographer, I can see where this camera might make sense.
However- my guess is in a few years I'll be making my annual pilgrimage to Maui, with a 5Dr I picked up used for a VERY good price, and will be very happy with it.
p.12 #5 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Agreement or disagreement with the features of the 5DS aside.... the only thing that absolutely does not make sense about this camera is the lack of higher frame rates in the crop modes.
It makes ZERO sense to have in-camera crop modes in the first place if you don't get anything from it.... Might as well shoot FF and crop in post.... WTF, Canon.... I want to hear a technical reason why you could no do this....
Other than making smaller files -- and if this matters to you, you need a better computer even without the 5DS -- there is ZERO benefit to the crop modes as implemented in the 5DS/R.
p.12 #7 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Lee Saxon wrote:
This has nothing to do with Nikon vs Canon. Both companies have the devastating problem that they're not trying AT ALL because their loyal users will bend over and take whatever 2% improvement they release as their next "revolutionary model." Look at this thread. You see the image quality for yourself and yet there are people screaming "take my money and anyone who feels differently is just a brand loyalist troll." Uh...we're looking at different sample images.
I don't know that anyone has the guts or the resources to come in and truly release something innovative in this space (Sony had a shot but they blew it in numerous ways), but Nikon and Canon - yes both of them - are totally and utterly boned if anybody does, because they haven't had a new idea since their first generations of DSLRs (which, if you'll remember, where exactly and completely their latest generation film SLRs with a digital sensor in place of the film plane, so it's hard to even know how innovative to call even that)....Show more →
Is that so?
Now that you have sold all of your Canon, Nikon, and Sony gear
(you wouldn't want to bend over, no not you) where are you going
to put your money where your mouth is? Ricoh=Pentax? Sigma?
Olympus? Samsung has SLR cameras: try them.
p.12 #8 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Should be fun to see what these new sensors are made of and capable of. Price is a bit too much for my liking to jump in head first. I am going to wait a while and see what the reviewers say about it and what the fine folks at FM discover about the DR/noise characteristics.
p.12 #9 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
pKai wrote:
It makes ZERO sense to have in-camera crop modes in the first place if you don't get anything from it.... Might as well shoot FF and crop in post.... WTF, Canon.... I want to hear a technical reason why you could no do this....
They told me that the crop mode takes more processing power. Please note that you get a full resolution raw file even in crop mode and that the crop is only applied to the jpeg files. So they probably empty the whole sensor for data (thus is limited to 5 fps) and then crop in post to jpeg. Not a fantastic solution, but who knows that is up with Canon these days.
p.12 #10 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
This might be the most depressing and unintentionally hilarious thread I've ever read on FM. Braying or complaining about something you've never actually held in your hands and used is a wonder. Wait for it, try it for yourself, vote with your wallet. Or continue shouting into the echo chamber, whatever. I'm so glad I wasn't holding my breath for these releases...
p.12 #12 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
onegreatcity wrote:
This might be the most depressing and unintentionally hilarious thread I've ever read on FM. Braying or complaining about something you've never actually held in your hands and used is a wonder. Wait for it, try it for yourself, vote with your wallet. Or continue shouting into the echo chamber, whatever. I'm so glad I wasn't holding my breath for these releases...
I agree, but this is quite a big deal. It's the first real move from Canon for a long time and it's fairly easy once you've looked at the samples and the specs to see what you are going to get. It's going to be a 5D3 with twice as many pixels and that's about it, in fact apart from the new mirror assembly and some funky (but rather useless) crop modes, that is it. If they had made it EF-S compatible in crop mode, or given them a tiltable LCD, anything.
For some that will be great, but they certainly haven't either raised the bar or seen off Nikon and Sony.
I do wonder if it was a corporate decison and someone said 'we have to make it 50 meg, 50 is a nice number and much more than the opposition' and then they forgot resolution wasn't the only thing
p.12 #13 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Lee Saxon wrote:
This has nothing to do with Nikon vs Canon. Both companies have the devastating problem that they're not trying AT ALL because their loyal users will bend over and take whatever 2% improvement they release as their next "revolutionary model." Look at this thread. You see the image quality for yourself and yet there are people screaming "take my money and anyone who feels differently is just a brand loyalist troll." Uh...we're looking at different sample images.
I don't know that anyone has the guts or the resources to come in and truly release something innovative in this space (Sony had a shot but they blew it in numerous ways), but Nikon and Canon - yes both of them - are totally and utterly boned if anybody does, because they haven't had a new idea since their first generations of DSLRs (which, if you'll remember, where exactly and completely their latest generation film SLRs with a digital sensor in place of the film plane, so it's hard to even know how innovative to call even that)....Show more →
Glad to know that there has never been an innovative product in digital cameras. All this time I thought the companies were doing ok at bringing new and better products.
On the other hand, do you believe a word you wrote, or are you just trolling?
So I'm visualizing various MFDB makers crying in their coffee all around the world this morning. I also predict the DR/ISO/FPS hate threads still going strong even when people start making beautiful images with these cameras in June.
I see this as a 5 month grace period to upgrade lenses.
p.12 #15 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Stoffer wrote:
They told me that the crop mode takes more processing power. Please note that you get a full resolution raw file even in crop mode and that the crop is only applied to the jpeg files. So they probably empty the whole sensor for data (thus is limited to 5 fps) and then crop in post to jpeg. Not a fantastic solution, but who knows that is up with Canon these days.
As a software engineer by training I can tell you that if that's the way they did it, its pretty ridiculous and amateurish. I'm sure Canon knows better...
The sensor is going to give you the data it gives you, yes, but you can choose to dump it right then and there BEFORE you process/write it into a JPG or RAW. By any sensible software design, this should result in less processor cycles, not more..... I do this all the time.... the first thing you do when your process gets a bunch of data is figure out what you really need/want and toss the rest BEFORE you do any transformative work on the set.
p.12 #16 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
5 fps with better sd performance - sounds great
it does not say that it has the 7dii feature of shutter speeds timed beyond 30s but I expect it does
new feature of auto-delay on mirror lock up - sounds great
50mpx
My gut feel is that I will buy it but I will wait to see some tests.
The d810 does not work with my ts17. The a7r requires adapters and is just awkward. And I mostly shoot bracketed shots for dynamic range for landscape. I am just tired of that clunky, battery using, adapter using a7r.
p.12 #17 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Scott Stoness wrote:
The a7r requires adapters and is just awkward. And I mostly shoot bracketed shots for dynamic range for landscape. I am just tired of that clunky, battery using, adapter using a7r.
Works absolutely fine for me with all kind of adapters. Rarely shoot brackted anymore since I have the A7R due to its wide DR. Battery lifetime is no issue for me either when disabling WiFi functions.
p.12 #18 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
If it had Wi-fi it would be the perfect studio camera. If it had DR on par with Exmor sensors or better it would have been the perfect landscape camera. If it had uncompressed hdmi throughput and 4k it would be the perfect video camera. If it had all of the above features it would be my perfect camera. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and it does not meet my demands (only one of them), and that's not sufficient for me to shell out that amount of money. But, that's my opinion.
I hope Sony comes up with a better alternative for canon glass owners soon.
p.12 #19 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
Monito wrote:
I would not use the R for cityscapes due to the aliasing.
That sounds a bit premature. (I say this as a person who has shot quite a few cityscapes with a non-AA filter digital camera.)
However, given how much sensor resolution comes from a 50MP sensor that includes an AA filter, the 5DS (no R) is there as an alternative.
Jim Servies wrote:
Don't you think that "R" sample (Yokohama Sky) looks pretty good or are you disappointed?
Since I'm quite interested in the "R" model, I took a very close look at the cityscape, which is full of angled straight lines and cross-hatched patterns. At 100%, as expected with a very sharp photograph, you can see pixels (that's good!) but I don't see a single thing in that image that gives me concerns about the non-AA version.*
*I'll continue to write "non-AA" instead of "with AA cancellation" since its shorter and we all know what it means!
pureclassa wrote:
Yeah... that's the 70-200 IS MkII. Love that lens... Now imagine what the 135L would look like on that same shot...
Having used both extensively... I can tell you that it would have looked pretty much the same. :-)
someone wrote:
... But I'll wait to see real tests before judging.
At the end of a post offering a series of judgments before seeing test. (Quite a bit of that in this thread concerning the problems that some expect — want? — to see in the camera.)
Sarsfield wrote:
I'm confused. Did I just click the link for DPR or am I having a bad dream?
;-)
It occurred to me that there is nothing in the real world that would be "good enough" for a fair percentage of the posters in this thread. No matter what Canon had announced they would have been just as angst-ridden. Ah, well.
It's fine to not think this is the camera for everyone — it isn't! But the intensity of feeling about some of these things on this board is very odd, as is the apparent desire to see Canon as stupid or inept or manipulative. I'm no worshipper of manufacturers or their products, but we're seeing a lot of comments here that represent the inverse fanboy population, particularly when it comes to tone.
It is just a camera folks. Sit down. Breathe slowly. Relax. Take a walk. ;-)
Lee Saxon wrote:
So I guess those of you accusing anyone who doesn't share your blind loyalty to Canon of having blind loyalty to someone else have never heard of irony, huh?
:-) Blind loyalty to any camera or brand is pretty pointless, I think.
justruss wrote:
Let me sum up the points...
Different photographers have different needs, use different workflows, and have different output scenarios.
Therefore:
When a camera company releases a new camera, some photographers will be more interested in it than others.
It's OK. We can all get along!
Yup, that's pretty much it. ;-)
Bones74 wrote:
They have apparently kicked the landscape niche in the teeth with steel toecapped boots.
As a landscape photographer I certainly don't see it that way. YMMV. Regarding lens prices (which I think was a point of this message), we see complaints about the cost of Canon lenses quite a bit. Last week I decided to do a comparison between Nikon and Canon to see if Canon is ripping us off. I looked at 16-35 (f/4), 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200 f/2.8, and 100-400 (80-400 for Nikon) and the result is... Canon costs less overall.
dhphoto wrote:
Ugh. Just ugh.
Here we go again.
Sigh...
onegreatcity wrote:
This might be the most depressing and unintentionally hilarious thread I've ever read on FM. Braying or complaining about something you've never actually held in your hands and used is a wonder. Wait for it, try it for yourself, vote with your wallet. Or continue shouting into the echo chamber, whatever. I'm so glad I wasn't holding my breath for these releases...
This is turning into one of the worst complaint-fests I've seen here in many years. It is almost embarrassing, whether you think the new cameras are good or not.
p.12 #20 · Official: Canon 5DS, 5DS R and 11-24mm lens announced!
gdanmitchell wrote:
Since I'm quite interested in the "R" model, I took a very close look at the cityscape, which is full of angled straight lines and cross-hatched patterns. At 100%, as expected with a very sharp photograph, you can see pixels (that's good!) but I don't see a single thing in that image that gives me concerns about the non-AA version.*
*I'll continue to write "non-AA" instead of "with AA cancellation" since its shorter and we all know what it means!
That is an interesting observation, but unfortunately it doesn't say much since it was shot at aperture f/11, and diffraction blur makes that safe in all cases even with the non-AA version.
I want to hear a technical reason why you could no do this....