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Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread

  
 
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p.15 #1 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


ChrisMak wrote:
Not really, as I have a technical background, but not in optics, and it is a highly specialized field.
I can guess of course that magnifying an image 2 times is a recipe for vulnarabilities, but all I know for a fact, is that I never have had any success with shooting a lens and 2xTC over distance, and that it get's really bad in bright or harsh light, but sometimes is ok when shooting after dawn or before dusk.

The 600GM however is a true razor when shooting subjects further away, and can stand pretty heavy cropping. Of course
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What distances are we talking about? I'm happy to do a controlled test between the two today. I should have no atmospherics in play this morning for the first 3 hrs or so. Let me know and I'll try to pull it off....it is only 4:45AM here so the day is young



Jul 01, 2024 at 06:42 AM
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p.15 #2 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


arbitrage wrote:
What distances are we talking about? I'm happy to do a controlled test between the two today. I should have no atmospherics in play this morning for the first 3 hrs or so. Let me know and I'll try to pull it off....it is only 4:45AM here so the day is young


That would be very informative and generous if you would take the effort! Even if I have already decided to purchase the 300GM myself in 1-2 months, and will soon be able to see how it compares with the 2xTC against the 600GM.

I am mostly interested in distances that can still yield usable images with fairly deep cropping to a minimum of 2800px
horizontally.
Beyond that, there is no practical relevance for me. I guess that means distances 50-60 yrds. So I am not talking about extreme distances like 100 yrds or more



Jul 01, 2024 at 06:56 AM
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p.15 #3 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


arbitrage wrote:
What distances are we talking about? I'm happy to do a controlled test between the two today. I should have no atmospherics in play this morning for the first 3 hrs or so. Let me know and I'll try to pull it off....it is only 4:45AM here so the day is young


Would it be possible to try a few different distances? Say 20mm, 50m, 100m and 200m? That should show if distances affect the 300mm + 2x more than the 600mm.



Jul 01, 2024 at 06:59 AM
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p.15 #4 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread







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Jul 01, 2024 at 08:51 AM
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p.15 #5 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


It could also be autofocus that is impacted more at longer distances with the 300 + 2x


Jul 01, 2024 at 08:56 AM
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p.15 #6 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


ChrisMak wrote:
This is exactly why even the suggestion that the 300GM could replace the 600GM is not realistic at all.
The 600GM gets better, not worse, as you start to shoot at greater distances, whereas the 300GM with 2xTC, if it behaves like ány other prime with a 2xTC, will start to lose quality as you shoot further out.
Only perhaps if you have perfectly still and clean air, without the slightest hint of atmospherics, may it perform acceptably.
I really ran into this for the first time with the Canon 400DOII combined with the 2xTC.

If still a Nikon shooter, the 600PF
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Precisely. If you use the 300GM for what it's intended for - I think it's a great lens, no debating that.

There are a number of us though who want to push the limits with the 2x, and I think that's where it's a closer race between 300GM, 200-600, and 600PF.

I just purchased a legitimate range finder, as so far I've been using google maps "calculate distance" for ranges. Once I have that, I'll be able to more accurately report on what I'm seeing - as well as give comparisons between multiple lenses.

Douglas L wrote:
Very interesting observation. To you, what distance is considered the start of the "further out" range? I have the 600 GM so I may try to shoot some static subjects to compare. I was just too lazy to do any comparison.


see answer above, TBD

my guess right now is that it's around 100' - 200'

arbitrage wrote:
What distances are we talking about? I'm happy to do a controlled test between the two today. I should have no atmospherics in play this morning for the first 3 hrs or so. Let me know and I'll try to pull it off....it is only 4:45AM here so the day is young


do the tests that I'm going to do haha. 50', 100', 200', 500'

also if you can post the distances on the images you are already getting and posting - that would be immensely helpful

alexands wrote:
It could also be autofocus that is impacted more at longer distances with the 300 + 2x


I think this could be a contributing factor, but not the main one.

I can tell in my osprey nest pics that the focus is accurate, it's just such a far reach and the setup degrades too much.

Too be fair, that nest is one that photographers literally use 600mm, 800mm, and 1200mm as common lenses to get the reach. The fact that a 300 + 2x can even get an image at all, is incredible.



Jul 01, 2024 at 09:08 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
A lens is sharper at distance because it is sharper. Adding a 2xTC is always going to degrade sharpness to varying degree and may accentuate aberrations.

Yes. Not what was claimed above though. The idea stated there, that a lens would gain or loose sharpness across longer distances, pops up occasionally. So far I have not seen any verification that this is actually the case for any lens I have tested, other than close to MFD. I'm guessing that these reports may come from folks not doing controlled comparisons and also maybe not understanding the influence of seeing conditions on longer lenses and distances.

This seems to be the going theory why the 400GM is so poor with the 2xTC...there are some aberrations that just don't work with the 2xTC.
I have read somewhere (hearsay) that Sony put more effort into designing the optical properties of this lens with respect to how the TCs effect it. Sounded plausible. But maybe the naked glass is just that little bit closer to perfection and that is all there is.



Jul 01, 2024 at 09:12 AM
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p.15 #8 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


Hard crop of a hunting starling.





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Jul 01, 2024 at 09:17 AM
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Daran wrote:
Yes. Not what was claimed above though. The idea stated there, that a lens would gain or loose sharpness across longer distances, pops up occasionally. So far I have not seen any verification that this is actually the case for any lens I have tested, other than close to MFD. I'm guessing that these reports may come from folks not doing controlled comparisons and also maybe not understanding the influence of seeing conditions on longer lenses and distances.

I have read somewhere (hearsay) that Sony put more effort into designing the optical properties of this lens with respect to how the
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regarding lenses losing sharpness across longer distances, I think it's pretty easy to understand. it isn't the idea that some arbitrary amount of distance results in a loss of sharpness, but simply that the further the subject is - the smaller in frame it is, leading to having to use techniques that degrade sharpness - namely cropping and TC's.

If you take the 300GM @ 300mm, where it is is sharpest and has the best of its qualities (IE with no TC), you get a certain FOV and a certain size subject will take up a certain size of the frame

the further that subject is, the smaller in frame it gets. the smaller in frame it gets, the more TC's or cropping you have to add.

each incremental step takes away from the best possible IQ, and at some point - you simply run out of good IQ and perceived sharpness

then you've also got atmospherics and whatnot, which I haven't seen much (if any) in my testing of this lens and combo - but could certainly be present.

everyone knows the 300GM with all TC's work phenomenally in standard use cases. I'm interested in testing just how far we can push it and still get desirable results.

as for the 400GM and Arbitrage's experience with TC's. I can't really comment there. The 300GM is the only Sony tele I've ever used.

But both the RF 400 and Z 400TC take TC's wonderfully. I'd be very surprised if the 400GM is any different. Perhaps it's just subjective differences in what is "acceptable"







Jul 01, 2024 at 09:32 AM
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nmerc_photos wrote:
regarding lenses losing sharpness across longer distances, I think it's pretty easy to understand. it isn't the idea that some arbitrary amount of distance results in a loss of sharpness, but simply that the further the subject is - the smaller in frame it is, leading to having to use techniques that degrade sharpness - namely cropping and TC's.

If you take the 300GM @ 300mm, where it is is sharpest and has the best of its qualities (IE with no TC), you get a certain FOV and a certain size subject will take up a certain size of the frame

the
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No, we're talking about why the 600mm GM is claimed to be sharper relative to the 300mm + 2xTC at longer distances than it is at shorter distances. i.e. The 300mm + 2xTC degrades more than the 600mm GM as distance increases.



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somersettr wrote:
No, we're talking about why the 600mm GM is claimed to be sharper relative to the 300mm + 2xTC at longer distances than it is at shorter distances. i.e. The 300mm + 2xTC degrades more than the 600mm GM as distance increases.


ah I see.

I'd imagine it's something to do with the physics, coatings, etc. a difference between a $5K lens and $10K lens.

if the 300 + 2x TC was as good as the 600GM at distance - there'd be almost no reason for the 600GM to exist.

FWIW, although I can't explain -why- it happens, I've found this with just about every lens I've ever tested. If my subjects are within 20', there are very minor differences between 100-400, 180-600, 400TC, 600TC, 800PF, 300GM, etc.

if my subjects are half a mile out - only the biggest and best will produce a desirable end result.

I think it's a lot of what makes image threads and talk about TC's difficult. if someone is using TC's to enlarge an already close subject, they're always going to appear better than if someone is using a TC to try and "get more reach".

you can take a $500 Canon RF 800 F11, slap a $500 2x on it - and get great images at 1600mm f22 if the subject is close.



Jul 01, 2024 at 09:46 AM
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p.15 #12 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


A few from Carburn Park in Calgary




  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/1250s    640 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS lens    300mm    f/2.8    1/2000s    800 ISO    +0.3 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/1250s    500 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS lens    300mm    f/2.8    1/2000s    1250 ISO    +0.3 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS lens    300mm    f/2.8    1/2000s    1250 ISO    +0.3 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS lens    300mm    f/2.8    1/2000s    500 ISO    +0.3 EV  




Jul 02, 2024 at 04:55 AM
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p.15 #13 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


A few from yesterday, all shot at between 2 to 2.5 meters. The DOF is pretty shallow at such distance.




  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/1000s    1600 ISO    -0.3 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/1000s    800 ISO    -0.3 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/1000s    500 ISO    -0.3 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/1000s    500 ISO    -0.3 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/1000s    320 ISO    -0.3 EV  




Jul 02, 2024 at 02:25 PM
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  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 1.4X Teleconverter lens    420mm    f/4.0    1/2500s    800 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 1.4X Teleconverter lens    420mm    f/4.0    1/2500s    800 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 1.4X Teleconverter lens    420mm    f/4.0    1/2500s    800 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 1.4X Teleconverter lens    420mm    f/4.0    1/1250s    640 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jul 02, 2024 at 03:30 PM
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p.15 #15 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


Wonderful captures

Douglas L wrote:
A few from yesterday, all shot at between 2 to 2.5 meters. The DOF is pretty shallow at such distance.




Jul 03, 2024 at 04:28 AM
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p.15 #16 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


Can you guess the species?




  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/2500s    500 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/3200s    500 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/3200s    500 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/3200s    500 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jul 06, 2024 at 06:24 AM
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p.15 #17 · Sony FE 300mm f/2.8 GM Image Thread


Oystercatcher?


Jul 06, 2024 at 06:49 AM
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Spotted sandpiper?


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Can you guess the species?




Jul 06, 2024 at 05:59 PM
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Maxxus46 wrote:
Spotted sandpiper?



Correct!!




  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/5000s    1250 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 1.4X Teleconverter lens    420mm    f/4.0    1/4000s    1000 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-1    FE 300mm F2.8 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens    600mm    f/5.6    1/3200s    1250 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jul 06, 2024 at 06:42 PM
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My iPhone picture recognition is telling me it’s a Spotted Sandpiper. So I agree with Maxxus46.


Jul 06, 2024 at 06:44 PM
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