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p.50 #1 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


I know I value Tim's contribution to FM and also plenty of other members do too.
He is not the one who should be moving on.


Pinky Boy wrote:
I suggest moving on and finding topics or quoting people who might be interesting to engage in conversation with.
Sony have a reputation by many as "a fingerpincher" design, due to the grip, though it has improved it's difficult to like their ergonomics overall. Aside from DPReview who are basically an advert for Sony





Dec 21, 2022 at 07:49 AM
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p.50 #2 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


It's a public forum that by it's nature invites opinions. If he's not adult enough to accept that other people have views that might differ from his own. Then he shouldn't be posting on forums
The PC crowd will try to stamp on any kind of discussion - sorry but it's just life you deal with it as long as it's done in a logical non personal way.. So yes he should move on to topics which interest him, otherwise learn to deal with differing views.
It's a pretty simple concept to grasp
People who find brand love the way forward should read this.
https://www.slrlounge.com/5-reasons-we-need-to-stop-being-fanboys-fangirls/

It helps nobody and stops improvements and developments

In particular the Sony community is viewed as being overly defensive by many:
https://theoverratedphotographer.com/2019/04/28/sony-fanboys-the-worst-kind/
https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/28377-why-is-sony-fanboyism-so-bad/



Dec 21, 2022 at 08:00 AM
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p.50 #3 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


fotografur wrote:
Have you looked at the Leica, Fuji GFX and Hasselblad to name a few with straight hard edge lines


Sony cameras look nothing like Leica in any way, nor have they ever

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/m-series-cameras-digital/ci/24717/N/3933929662

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Digital-Cameras/ci/9811/N/4288586282?filters=fct_brand_name%3Asony



Dec 21, 2022 at 08:09 AM
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p.50 #4 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


I thought my post was on topic, specifically disagreeing with your point. I legitimately like my Sony's, do I have to be ashamed to say that? And in terms of fanboy, you seem to be a hateboy. Based on your A mount posts, you seem to have an ax to grind, and at some point if you have nothing positive to say....well...then I imagine you are familiar with that saying.

You obviously have a right to your opinion, and being able to express it, but at some point it's going to get old. You either have some legitimate interest in Sony, or you don't. No brand/system is prefect, they all have their pros and cons. I don't think Sony is perfect, but I find them better than Canon, at least Canon back in 2013 when I switched. I have no experience with Nikon other than film cameras from the 80's. Which by the way seemed to have hard line edges as well.

For example, I wish my a7R V had auto-EFCS and trap focus.

Haters gonna hate hate hate....

Pinky Boy wrote:
It's a public forum that by it's nature invites opinions. If he's not adult enough to accept that other people have views that might differ from his own. Then he shouldn't be posting on forums
The PC crowd will try to stamp on any kind of discussion - sorry but it's just life you deal with it as long as it's done in a logical non personal way.. So yes he should move on to topics which interest him, otherwise learn to deal with differing views.
It's a pretty simple concept to grasp
People who find brand love the way forward
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Dec 21, 2022 at 08:13 AM
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p.50 #5 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


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I thought my post was on topic, specifically disagreeing with your point. I legitimately like my Sony's, do I have to be ashamed to say that? And in terms of fanboy, you seem to be a hateboy. Based on your A mount posts, you seem to have an ax to grin, and at some point if you have nothing positive to say....well...then I imagine you are familiar with that saying.

You obviously have a right to your opinion, and being able to express it, but at some point it's going to get old. You either have some legitimate interest in Sony,
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I agree with Tim, whom I have known and respected for years.

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Dec 21, 2022 at 08:22 AM
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p.50 #6 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Pinky Boy wrote:
Sony cameras look nothing like Leica in any way, nor have they ever

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/m-series-cameras-digital/ci/24717/N/3933929662

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Digital-Cameras/ci/9811/N/4288586282?filters=fct_brand_name%3Asony


Wow. You read what I said but you don't understand what I said.

Yeah they don't have the finder hump BUT they have the sharp edges on the body.. That's okay if you don't understand. I understand.



Dec 21, 2022 at 08:23 AM
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p.50 #7 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Have to agree with Tim. Let's be clear Tim is a great member here with a great reputation and deserves respect. You're throwing your opinion here like its Gospel. Trust me you don't have the meat to even think it never mind do it. Ive been around every system there is is for the last 46 years as a Pro and every system has its issues but when you are talking ergo especially its only opnion there are no real facts on how it feels to a general population of shooters. I would never say Sony is last and frankly no one gives a shit. Either you like it or don't that's on YOU. Not a forum at large. The A7rV does feel a little wider than my A7IV but it's also pulling a hat trick too and that has to be expected. Just remember your new here you want our attention than play nice the sandbox is quite large. Most of us are here to help each other especially when we get a new body in hand. Even someone with my experience this thread alone helped me decide to buy one and even better I picked up a few tips that NO One brought up when I did my homework. So there is value in us older long term members here and that includes me as well. We are here for each other so if you can't do that the door is stage right. The is NOT DPR


Dec 21, 2022 at 08:27 AM
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p.50 #8 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Now on the grip Sonys especially I really did not notice any gaps between the A7IV and A7RV with it on. I will use it next week the whole time as im shooting maybe 90 percent vertical and the Vertical grip save me from my hand arthritis as I can keep my hand flat and not twisted over. BTW I personally won't buy those Vello brand units anymore. My last one would miss every so often. These Sony units seem quite good for me, just not exactly cheap. Im starting to think of adding a TC 1.4 back in the mix.


Dec 21, 2022 at 08:36 AM
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p.50 #9 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Also one thing on Ergos no matter how you slice the cheese on ANY camera its always right hand up. That can't be changed. Even medium format digital its always a right hand operation


Dec 21, 2022 at 08:39 AM
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p.50 #10 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Should I spend > $70 on an extra genuine battery for the A7RV, or is there a model from a third party that works too ? Do all non-genuine versions show the warning when turning On the camera ?


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p.50 #11 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


I’m an original version type. I tried the 3rd party on other cams some worked some did not. I have 5 batteries so yea it gets expensive


Dec 21, 2022 at 12:33 PM
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@ PinkyBoy: because people like you, i delayed buying mirrorless long time, especially Sony. I didn't buy gear for 1.8 years and that's a long time. Then A7RIV came out and sony gave a testing event. I was like 'i'll probably hate it but lets go test it'. I even prepared and watched lot of video's on how the settings and menu's work on Sony so that i wouldn't loose time for crucial settings.

The A7RIII was good, but my pinky kept sliding off, and room between grip and lens was a little small (but ok for most lenses). Then i tested A7RIV (next to Z7 mark I, the shop had it there anyway). Fun fact: i prefered the Sony! The rounded Grip of the Z7 is to general, making it general and not ergo for me. The A7RIV has a very nice curve, making the grip very secure. My fingers never slide off anymore, and i never have issues with room between grip and lens anymore. I also there was ultra suprised how good the 100-400mm GM was (among other lenses).

I could be toxic to Nikon now because i chose Sony but i won't, Nikon makes incredible camera's and the Z7 mark II (fixing most stuff i hated about mark I) is a very good camera. Z9 (while not my size preference or removing mechanical shutter), is also an epic piece of camera, especially video wise. The 24-120mm F4 S lens is probably the best standard zoom on market. And it's because nikons 24-70mm F2.8 S pushing the market hard that Sony had to go so deep on their mark II gm, so i'm gratefull for this, i call this positive competition.

@ GMPhotography the NP-FZ100 batteries are 65€ now (they were 87€+ for while wich i really find expensive), so i bought two extra (now i have 4), the 4th one is anticipating the extra power hunger of A7R5 (tell me if i need to buy a 5th for a 15h hike with non stop footage, if so i'll buy another).

Now some question to A7RV owners (it's feedback seems to have slowed down, but i'm extremely intersted in any feedback about it). I own A7RIV. Reasons for me to upgrade: finally lossless compressed, as i shoot in incredible amount of images when travelling, this could easely cull tons of gigabytes, and make me need less memory cards for same amount of content. I should almost everything at ISO 100, so even if 0.2% better noise performance i would love it and the IBIS also seems great, it's a crucial aspect for me to get critical sharp images.

The IBIS is better, does this means the amount it can move is bigger? if so the corner where it moves to, could be softer, do people who shoot 1/5 secs for similar notice a single corner being very weak (more so then in past?)

The colours are supposed to be better then A7RIV (wich already were better then A7RIII. Are they? Is a1 still better or not (colours).

Does the camera start up faster, show images faster, then A7RIV?


How big are the files (lossless compressed)? I read it can go from 60mb all the way to 96mb (50-80% reduction), but the general numbers from someone would be nice to hear, is 78mb the average?

Does the higher resolution screen improve reviewing or is it still soft for sharpness inspection?

Is the EVF a big gain? I mean we keep getting them but at some point maybe they are not that necessary anymore, do you feel 16 million dot screen (a guess for next model), would actually net you something or is this a satisfactory end point?



Dec 21, 2022 at 01:56 PM
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p.50 #13 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


I think the point is, if you have a single design body - those who don't like it won't buy it
If you offer nothing else, ie some variation in design, situation is the same.

You are potentially losing some customers. I don't know what is behind the decision to "clone" (mostly), the same body design across the range, with minor differences. Or why Sony think it is "OK" to leave a big empty space on the left side top deck on most models (bar A1/A9 with their second dial), or not having a top OLED maybe on a few models, why not spice it up a bit?

Have something fresh and new. The designs are looking a bit dated I think, and many would agree.
Same APS-C, lot of takers for a "somewhat bigger" more serious higher end crop body, yet nothing same old stuff. (who knows if Sony will fill that gap)

Just all seems obvious to me, strangely Sony keep sticking with it, perhaps they are saving money on re-using parts



Dec 21, 2022 at 02:51 PM
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p.50 #14 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


A heck of a lot of people have complained about Sony ergonomics or lack of, it's well known and yes reviewers (some aside from DPR who are a Sony advert basically)
It's perfectly fine to talk about it, discuss it and leave an opinion. Now you could say I am complaining about it fine, but what is worse? Complaining and having a point, or just complaining about someone who is complaining?

You get the drift here or should do. Anyone trying to shut down a honest, and civil discussion shouldn't be on a forum. It's not gospel it is a view or opinion. If people can't handle that, don't take part. I accept not everyone will agree, I have no problem with that. The links about fanboyism are so true, it stops improvements and innovation. So those seeking that agenda, do nobody any favors.

Talk about things get things moving. This is the same person who tried to shut down an A Mount discussion, and yet evidently had 0 A mount experience or use of those products. He didn't have a 15 year investment in A Mount or had used MInolta. If it's not relevant or interesting move along to something that is. If Sony get flak or criticism it's maybe justified



Dec 21, 2022 at 02:56 PM
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I came from the a7R III, so I can't be very helpful with your questions as to how it compares to the a7R IV (which I've never shot). Hopefully other people may chime in.

It feels like a pretty big jump coming from the a7R III. Pretty much everything has improvements, but the a7R IV was a jump from the III as well.

The grip feels deeper than the a7R III, which feels nice, although I know it poses some problems for Rich with his Cambo Actus. But it still seems to fit well in my bags, feels good in my hand especially with some of the my larger lenses.

It's sooooo much more responsive than my a7R III. I have CFExpress cards in it and it writes blazingly fast. I don't get the "you can't do this right now" message that I'd sometimes get with the a7R III when I'd try to change settings while it was clearing the buffer.

AF is really snappy, EVF is larger and beautiful to look through, back LCD seems like a step up. IBIS seems really good, although I haven't really tried to compare it.

Hopefully someone can chime in with a7R IV experience to give you a useful delta from where you would be coming from.

All in all I'm really happy with it.

Matti6950 wrote:
@ PinkyBoy: because people like you, i delayed buying mirrorless long time, especially Sony. I didn't buy gear for 1.8 years and that's a long time. Then A7RIV came out and sony gave a testing event. I was like 'i'll probably hate it but lets go test it'. I even prepared and watched lot of video's on how the settings and menu's work on Sony so that i wouldn't loose time for crucial settings.

The A7RIII was good, but my pinky kept sliding off, and room between grip and lens was a little small (but ok for most lenses). Then i
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Dec 21, 2022 at 03:33 PM
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p.50 #16 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


tsdevine wrote:
It feels like a pretty big jump coming from the a7R III. Pretty much everything has improvements, but the a7R IV was a jump from the III as well.
The grip feels deeper than the a7R III, which feels nice, although I know it poses some problems for Rich with his Cambo Actus. But it still seems to fit well in my bags, feels good in my hand especially with some of the my larger lenses.



I'm switching from the A7RIII to the A7RV too and can't wait until it's delivered next week. I wasn't initially impressed by the announcement but then realized it's a significant camera upgrade for me (coming from the rIII ).

You mentioned the CFexpress card, which model are you using ?
I have a SF-G 128GB Touch series (SDXC) and will need another card. Not sure if I get another SDXC or a CFexpress to enjoy the full speed when I shoot in continuous. But ~$300 for 160GB is steep




Dec 21, 2022 at 03:57 PM
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p.50 #17 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


I'm using Lexar 160GB, definitely left a dent in my wallet. I got 2 during the $272 each deal (something like that) and before that I had gotten a pair for $630. (Which is pretty darn close to your $300 a pop number for all 4.) The cards I was using for my a7R III were a mix of the fastest type for the one slot (64 GB Tough G) and the fastest type for the slower slot (64 GB Tough M)...all were quite a few years old. I priced fast SD cards and just decided to make the jump. I imagine fast SD cards will work extremely well and I'm not sure you'll see much practical difference. (Unless you are shooting certain video, which I don't do) or you are going crazy with shooting tons of shots at the fastest capture rate.

I think it's definitely a big stop up from the a7R III and I'll be surprised if you aren't pleased with it.



Fboss wrote:
I'm switching from the A7RIII to the A7RV too and can't wait until it's delivered next week. I wasn't initially impressed by the announcement but then realized it's a significant camera upgrade for me (coming from the rIII ).

You mentioned the CFexpress card, which model are you using ?
I have a SF-G 128GB Touch series (SDXC) and will need another card. Not sure if I get another SDXC or a CFexpress to enjoy the full speed when I shoot in continuous. But ~$300 for 160GB is steep





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Dec 21, 2022 at 04:06 PM
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Which E mount cameras have you shot? There have been incremental changes along the way. I've shot the a7R all the way up through the a7R V, just not the a7R IV. I've felt the ergonomics improved on each iteration I've tried. When I pull out my old Canon 5D it feels ginormous in my hands, but that is just my impression.

I have pretty chunky fingers, maybe not the largest hands though. I've always used L brackets (usually RRS) as I predominantly shoot landscapes, so that's my frame of reference. The L brackets do give a little more height to the grip.

Pinky Boy wrote:
A heck of a lot of people have complained about Sony ergonomics or lack of, it's well known and yes reviewers (some aside from DPR who are a Sony advert basically)
It's perfectly fine to talk about it, discuss it and leave an opinion. Now you could say I am complaining about it fine, but what is worse? Complaining and having a point, or just complaining about someone who is complaining?

You get the drift here or should do. Anyone trying to shut down a honest, and civil discussion shouldn't be on a forum. It's not gospel it is a view
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Dec 21, 2022 at 04:14 PM
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I can’t really remember the A7Riv all that well . I went A9/A9II/ A1 so too many models in between and no spring chicken
I can reference the A1 better which I loved.
I love the bigger brighter LED screen but the little extra width you should try first it may bug someone more than me but I’m very adaptable to cameras I pretty much have had everything in the market in the past . Cfexpress cards extra batteries are really all you use case. Our birders that spread 30fps will mostly go for a free unlimited buffer and they will need batteries. I rarely get past 2 batteries and I never hit the buffer every. Now I’m a Pro and my choices are safety like a Boy Scout ready for anything. Reason is I just don’t shoot one thing. But certain jobs I may actually go through 4 batteries in a day while I’m charging 2 at the same time. But I’m also shooting maybe 5 thousand images in that day. On CF cards there more for downloading to computer I’m on a clock to process and upload fast. Most hobbyists are not faced with these kinds of demands.
Let me step back for a second I went Pentax, Olympus, Nikon, Canon, Leica, Phase One plus throw 4x5, Hassy in there for many years but my last wasPhase one than to Nikon. Not the Nikon of the past jumped to Sony as I was not happy with both my Nikons not being able to focus for anything. I gave up but Nikon/ Canon sat in their ass for years when Sony actually innovated from A7r till today. I went for innovators and bailed on Canon/ Nikon. I’m no fanboy of anyone but I am loyal to Sonys innovation. Is it perfect no but I never ever say a word about any other system or even go in there forums. Why should anyone care about any system if you’re not shooting it. It’s like bitching about a ex wife that’s long gone.

Okay A1/ A7R5. Again loved the A1 but I was also not using it too it’s full potential. Never 30fps never pushing its buffer and its AF system was and is not like the A7R5 which is very sticky. Case in point I may have 3 models walking a runway straight at me. The A1 would jump from one to the other and it always did a nice job but I’m seeing the A7R5 won’t come off the one I may pick which can also turn there head which this cam won’t lose them. That was one reason I went here plus I’m just fitting my self to a more need body. The moving screen maybe better for me and bigger brighter on it will provide less stress on me when shooting those 5k images in a day. Now electronic shutter/ LED lighting and banding are all big issues and I’m confident after doing my homework I can pull it off. Boy Scout mentality be prepared. Now from members here saying battery drains faster I just bought an extra bought bigger CF express card . On 3rd party batteries I’m not risking any electronics as you use them my bet you screwed your warranty on camera. Those fine print warranty’s are written by lawyers I’m sure of it. Plus some did not work.



Dec 21, 2022 at 04:29 PM
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Pardon my spelling and maybe missing words I had another bad fight with my Vertigo today and I’m in bed


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