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p.51 #1 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


On the comment about being afraid to buy something because of bad comments from the trolls or fanboys . First listen to smarter people and second you buy from a good retailer you can return if you need too. I’m a huge advocate of photography I taught 30 destination workshops for myself , Leica and Phase One. I’m the first person to help anyone if I can. But be smart do your homework and don’t ever rely on one source of data and honestly I rarely ever read or watch a review. If you must watch remember they’re making money off ad content the more google ads the more money. Be careful of that


Dec 21, 2022 at 04:41 PM
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p.51 #2 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


I have used the first A7, A7II and A7III and A7RIV full frame
Yes they have made improvements to the design over that time, though some did complain they got bigger since the first versions (maybe the IBIS mechanism), some also say the earlier ones were more solid feeling. Sort of open to debate too.

I never cared much for the early ones because the grip shape was just too flat. Not very comfortable, I also had an A6000 and A6400 for a while and same thing did not like them at all. The grip shape was all wrong.

With the A7III they did improve it, no question. Yet the clearance grip to mount is the problem, and with some lenses it can be a real problem,hence the "finger pincher" comment. Even the not that big 24-70mm F4, the clearance grip to lens is narrow and I found knuckles can rub against the lens, and there are many more where that can be a problem. Solution would be to increase the space grip to mount.
As for the other areas, the top plate/boxy shape. The edges I would prefer more rounded, even around the shutter (the on/off switch is just a Nikon copy but not as nice), the area where you palm the camera at the top side near the shutter, even on a later body like the A7RIV is just not as smoothed as it should be. I've not found these cameras comfortable to use for extended periods of time.

I would honestly like a completely different design/shape body, with much more rounding on edges and corners. I am and never was a fan of the "blend of modern/film camera" look they went for. Of course it's personal, yet there are many who feel Sony are "stuck in a rut" with body design. They are not even attempting new things, just very very small tweaks. I'm not saying they're not technically good cameras, they are of course



Dec 21, 2022 at 04:42 PM
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p.51 #3 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Matti6950 wrote:
@ PinkyBoy: because people like you, i delayed buying mirrorless long time, especially Sony. I didn't buy gear for 1.8 years and that's a long time. Then A7RIV came out and sony gave a testing event. I was like 'i'll probably hate it but lets go test it'. I even prepared and watched lot of video's on how the settings and menu's work on Sony so that i wouldn't loose time for crucial settings.

The A7RIII was good, but my pinky kept sliding off, and room between grip and lens was a little small (but ok for most lenses). Then i
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Like Tim, I am coming from the A7R III, but I may be able to help with some answers:

Q: The IBIS is better, does this means the amount it can move is bigger? if so the corner where it moves to, could be softer, do people who shoot 1/5 secs for similar notice a single corner being very weak (more so then in past?)
A: I can't compare to the A7R IV, but I am familiar with the phenomenon you describe from the Canon R5. With that camera there was a period prior to the latest firmware where your first shot with IBIS was the most stable and subsequent shots could be stable in the center but with blurred edges and corners and unless you scanned over the whole image you might miss that the shot wasn't sharp across the frame. I haven't seen that yet with the A7R V meaning that when a shot is sharp in the center, it mostly has been at the edges as well. The caveat is that I do a lot of tripod shooting and so my experience is still limited. That said, I am finding the IBIS more effective than the A7R III by a significant margin. I estimate 5-5.5 actual compensation stops depending on the focal length, which is better than my experience with the A7R III by 1-2 stops.

Q: How big are the files (lossless compressed)? I read it can go from 60mb all the way to 96mb (50-80% reduction), but the general numbers from someone would be nice to hear, is 78mb the average?
A: I checked my recent folder of cityscape images all shot at base ISO and the sizes are 61-84MB for lossless compressed.



Dec 21, 2022 at 04:47 PM
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p.51 #4 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


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I'm using Lexar 160GB, definitely left a dent in my wallet. I got 2 during the $272 each deal (something like that) and before that I had gotten a pair for $630. (Which is pretty darn close to your $300 a pop number for all 4.) The cards I was using for my a7R III were a mix of the fastest type for the one slot (64 GB Tough G) and the fastest type for the slower slot (64 GB Tough M)...all were quite a few years old. I priced fast SD cards and just decided to make the jump.
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I agree the 3 to 5 is a nice jump up. I went with Sony Cfexpress 160gb and 3 80 plus a Pro Grade 160. I’m running a A7R5 with Sony 160/80 and the A7IV with the Pro grade 160 and a normal SD card in slot 2 plus I have a extra Sony 80 gb so that’s a lot of money. My theory you gotta pay to play but I recommend at least 1 Cfexpress card and remember this is a 61 mpx camera. I do shoot compressed raw on big gigs



Dec 21, 2022 at 04:49 PM
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p.51 #5 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


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I have used the first A7, A7II and A7III and A7RIV full frame
Yes they have made improvements to the design over that time, though some did complain they got bigger since the first versions (maybe the IBIS mechanism), some also say the earlier ones were more solid feeling. Sort of open to debate too.

I never cared much for the early ones because the grip shape was just too flat. Not very comfortable, I also had an A6000 and A6400 for a while and same thing did not like them at all. The grip shape was all wrong.

With the
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But Sony needs to be careful of shifting radical designs from model to model that can have a huge sales effect. Plus they are reusing parts in newer models . The costs with reengineering them can be extremely expensive and that will fall on us. You also need to understand people will complain about anything just for the sake of it. For some strange reason they feel power from it. But when I read many Sony user comments my ears perk up show me the data

Have to be careful of those comments or how you say them. There is no data for that, it’s a opinion or maybe even a observation



Dec 21, 2022 at 04:57 PM
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p.51 #6 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


I don't think the complaints are unjustified, if they are specific in terms of problems or issues.
Re-using the shape might save Sony a few $$, but it is very restrictive in terms of the appeal to some users.

It's true Canon largely kept their DSLR shape for a long time across many models (mostly), I would have no problem making a case for the pretty poorly thought out touch bar on the EOS-R. They did try something new, and most people (really no question), hated it and turned it off. It's a nicely made camera but that was a goof from Canon, just like the R7 integrated joystick and dial (seems to get very mixed reactions). R5/6 seem on point, and have to say comfort wise are nicer than Sony, not that I'm a Canon fan at all.

So sometimes yes you can stick with what you have, and avoid blunders. On the other hand, honestly I think the body design is looking dated, and it's not as optimal as it might be. Mirrorless isn't cheap anyway, I suspect re-tooling costs are not going to dramatically up prices (makers can only go so far on that and these cameras are cheaper to make with less parts)

I guarantee you if Sony came out with a new body shape/design at some point, a lot of people would show renewed interest. Or a top OLED display, again why not have it? None of Sony's cameras have this. Perhaps the R series should?



Dec 21, 2022 at 05:06 PM
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p.51 #7 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Neither you or I are sitting in the design chair but Sonys sales speak pretty well or market share. I’m dated but hey I still get by. Lol


Dec 21, 2022 at 05:10 PM
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p.51 #8 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


The complaints I read about the a7 series are mostly about the menus/UI (improved in the latest bodies ), more than the exterior design.
Not sure I want an additional Oled display , at the cost of other more useful features (to me) or $$
Design is very subjective. I can understand some don’t like. I’m fine with it and it’s a lot less important to me than features, sensor perf, cost , size, weight, etc.



Dec 21, 2022 at 05:25 PM
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p.51 #9 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


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I just installed the Sony screen today. Fits perfect


I guess I should have cancelled my B&H order. Today I got the protector from BandC showed up and then received an email from B&H that theirs shipped and will be here tomorrow. When it rains it pours I guess.



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Dec 21, 2022 at 05:34 PM
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p.51 #10 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Just got a in stock

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p.51 #11 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Does anyone have both the A7R5 and A1 out of curiosity? If so, how do the two cameras compare? Is the white balance and IBIS noticeably better?

I don't do much wildlife photography these days so thinking I can sell the A1 and have some cash to spare to pick up a R5. Appreciate any thoughts!



Dec 21, 2022 at 06:45 PM
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p.51 #12 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Fboss wrote:
The complaints I read about the a7 series are mostly about the menus/UI (improved in the latest bodies ), more than the exterior design.
Not sure I want an additional Oled display , at the cost of other more useful features (to me) or $$
Design is very subjective. I can understand some don’t like. I’m fine with it and it’s a lot less important to me than features, sensor perf, cost , size, weight, etc.


And if we go back to the olden days, the top pro bodies changed very little because really, the most important feature was consistency. Ergonomics were sorted out incrementally in evolutionary iterations. I think Sony has hit that stage. Bodies on the lower end of the price spectrum are the ones where there has traditionally been much more change and experimentation. Sony doesn't really have a 'low end' FF body, but it feels like the 7C was an attempt at doing something differently. I could see that line getting some more radical body changes...if there are ever new models



Dec 22, 2022 at 12:08 AM
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p.51 #13 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Hey for those that got a A7RV might be a good time to recalibrate your monitor as well. Actually helped a little


Dec 22, 2022 at 09:14 PM
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p.51 #14 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


A7C was mostly using the APS-C design, which sadly has that flat wide, not too deep grip
Variety is important moving forward, as for Sony being successful, partly down to being the only serious game in town (full frame), at that time. The A6000 did well too, but that was good marketing the camera is nothing special at all.

Things have moved on. They now have rivals in particular Canon is eating into their share quite dramatically in the last 18 months or so.
Now the APS-C line up is stagnated, badly in need up updating (I'm sure they will do something)

It's over to Sony to start innovating in design, or stay using the same old stuff. Having the entire range sharing one body design (FF and APS-C so 2 overall), is puzzling and might come back to haunt them. There are a lot of buyers who do not like what is on offer, it's time to shake things up a bit.



Dec 23, 2022 at 06:06 PM
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p.51 #15 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


im not in favor of any redesign myself maybe a tweak or two but having 2 different bodies in the same brand I want consistent design between them. I said in another thread I love the fact my A7IV and A7RV are almost identical which leaves me with something not to think about when grabbing one of them as it's the same as the other. I love that


Dec 23, 2022 at 06:35 PM
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p.51 #16 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Plus, you don’t have to buy a new battery grip or a new L-bracket each time. I am perfectly happy that Sony keeps virtually the same design over a few models.


Dec 23, 2022 at 06:51 PM
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p.51 #17 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Received my A7RV, lousy weather here in Ohio to shoot! Tinkering indoors, immediately noticed the exposure comp dial does not have any indications on it of exposure for a reference, you need to look in the viewfinder. Been a little spoiled by A7rIII and A1 to be able to glance at Exp Comp setting on the dial. Any reason Sony removed the indicators on the dial??

Karl




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Dec 25, 2022 at 10:32 AM
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p.51 #18 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)



I believe the dial can be remapped to something other than exposure compensation.

Karl Witt wrote:
Received my A7RV, lousy weather here in Ohio to shoot! Tinkering indoors, immediately noticed the exposure comp dial does not have any indications on it of exposure for a reference, you need to look in the viewfinder. Been a little spoiled by A7rIII and A1 to be able to glance at Exp Comp setting on the dial. Any reason Sony removed the indicators on the dial??

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Dec 25, 2022 at 10:54 AM
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p.51 #19 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


tsdevine wrote:
I believe the dial can be remapped to something other than exposure compensation.



Hey Tom I believe you are correct, I have not even dipped into the menus but it seems strange as a default it isn't marked as it will likely be the Exp Comp dial as it has been on previous bodies. I might have to come up with my own index system markings just for quick reference. Thanks
Karl



Dec 25, 2022 at 11:07 AM
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p.51 #20 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


I keep thinking that the weak part of my photography is neither my camera (A1) nor the lens kit, not even the processing skills. A1 with the Tamron 35-150 feels vary comfortable in my hands. Further improvements in the shape of the camera body, adding more lenses would have a near zero impact on the quality of my photography, I am certain. Some technical aspects can be improved, no doubt. Yet, I regularly see beautiful impactful and memorable photography produced by the camera systems that today might look like cave man tools, total junk by modern standards. Acquiring new cameras and lenses is so much fun, but the best part is enjoying the pictures they produce.

Pinky Boy wrote:
A7C was mostly using the APS-C design, which sadly has that flat wide, not too deep grip
Variety is important moving forward, as for Sony being successful, partly down to being the only serious game in town (full frame), at that time. The A6000 did well too, but that was good marketing the camera is nothing special at all.

Things have moved on. They now have rivals in particular Canon is eating into their share quite dramatically in the last 18 months or so.
Now the APS-C line up is stagnated, badly in need up updating (I'm sure they will do something)

It's
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