p.17 #1 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
molson wrote:
Yes, I understand that the A1 is predominantly marketed towards people who shoot sports.
If you're not using it for its intended purpose, maybe you bought the wrong camera?
What you fail to acknowledge is that many photographers shoot a variety of subjects in a variety of circumstances, and the A1 is able to cover them all well. No need to switch cameras. The A1 is not limited to a single intended purpose. I think Kim knows what he is doing and bought the right camera.
p.17 #2 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
JeyB wrote:
Yes, I'm with you also. Cameras are becoming a real investment/expense these days. I've never ever been so invested in photography gear since I use Sony equipment. My Canon days were far far lot cheaper and equally rewarding, quality/results wise. Well, it was not Plesitocene, but long ago. I'm getting older, I suppose
I look at your profile and you have 4 very capable cameras. Do you need all four? You also have a bucket full of lenses...again, do you need all of them? I'm thinking you are more to blame for your increased cost of photography than Sony.
p.17 #3 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
dclark wrote:
What you fail to acknowledge is that many photographers shoot a variety of subjects in a variety of circumstances, and the A1 is able to cover them all well. No need to switch cameras. The A1 is not limited to a single intended purpose. I think Kim knows what he is doing and bought the right camera.
Dave
If it does everything so well, why is there so much bitter complaining about all the things it can't do?
I guess it's like a chef complaining he can't fillet a salmon with that Swiss Army knife he bought because it got so many great YouTube reviews...
Oct 30, 2022 at 11:58 AM
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p.17 #4 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
molson wrote:
If it does everything so well, why is there so much bitter complaining about all the things it can't do?
I guess it's like a chef complaining he can't fillet a salmon with that Swiss Army knife he bought because it got so many great YouTube reviews...
I just don't see the bitter complaining about what it can't do. A Swiss Army knife just isn't the proper comparison. It is not a tool that does a lot of things, but is limited in all of them--like a Swiss Army knife. The A1 is a camera that performs exceptionally well for almost all types of photography at or near top performance is almost every thing. My wife has an A1 and she is picky about photography (and almost everything if truth be told) and she has zero complaints with her A1. I think when you say there is so much complaining about what the A1 cannot do, you are very much overstating the nature and the extent of the complaints.
p.17 #7 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
RoamingScott wrote:
I would assume any bitterness directed towards the A1 is because Sony refuses to meaningfully support it post release even though it’s a $6000 camera.
The Rv getting focus stacking is a slap in the face of every A1 owner.
If there's one thing that's consistent throughout many decades in camera industry, it's that so many well-heeled people buy the most expensive camera, thinking that it must be the best because it cost so much, and then are always disappointed when they learn there are actually different cameras designed for different purposes that can do different things better...
p.17 #8 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Steve Spencer wrote:
I just don't see the bitter complaining about what it can't do. A Swiss Army knife just isn't the proper comparison. It is not a tool that does a lot of things, but is limited in all of them--like a Swiss Army knife. The A1 is a camera that performs exceptionally well for almost all types of photography at or near top performance is almost every thing. My wife has an A1 and she is picky about photography (and almost everything if truth be told) and she has zero complaints with her A1. I think when you say there is so much complaining about what the A1 cannot do, you are very much overstating the nature and the extent of the complaints....Show more →
I guess you didn't read any of the posts on the last half-dozen pages of this thread...
I think the Swiss Army knife is the perfect analogy... the enthusiastic amateurs want one camera that is somehow the best at everything, and the seasoned veterans choose different cameras depending on the task at hand.
You want to shoot sports, or birds in flight - pick an A1 or R3 or Z9. You want to focus stack your macro shots? Get an OM-1 or GFX 100s or... an A7R V.
p.17 #9 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
I am curious to learn if the Ai focus helps low light event photography focusing. Last night I covered a fancy Halloween party with everyone in costume and most with heavy makeup, plus a lot of glasses and masks. Many challenges focusing last night. Focus was slow and not as accurate as at a regular event.
Even "normal" low light on-camera flash event sometimes challenge my a7RIII and a9. With the weird makeup and glasses on many main subjects, the cameras didn't find eyes often. I should have turned off eye af to test; however, didn't think of that at the time.
Maybe the subject recognition would have helped. Of course buying a camera for this one situation is not a great idea. I wonder if the a1 would have performed better than the older cameras I own.
I've been planning to purchase an a1; however, now I wonder if an a1MII will have all the current features, plus AI focus. The waiting for feature game.
As always, if a camera makes sense, no reason to wait. I really like the a1 sync speed, quiet operation even with mechanical shutter, and the overall responsiveness.
I tried the a7IV for events and it is a nice event camera; however, still had some of the backlit focus issues as my current models. Similar to the a7RIV has backlit focus issues.
Summary of cameras used recently:
Own a9 and a7RIII
Recently used, a1, a7IV, a7RIV
I suspect a Canon 5DIV with Canon ir flash assist light would have focused much faster and accurately.
p.17 #10 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
molson wrote:
You want to shoot sports, or birds in flight - pick an A1 or R3 or Z9. You want to focus stack your macro shots? Get an OM-1 or GFX 100s or... an A7R V.
Sony in the product page literally calls it "THE ONE", not "the one for BIF or sports". Maybe that's how enthusiast forums like this position it, but that's not how Sony marketing positions the A1. The product page shows it doing landscapes, portraits, sports and wildlife - granted, they don't show macros.
p.17 #11 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Or do both with the Z9 and save yourself $5000 and a few extra lenses
molson wrote:
I guess you didn't read any of the posts on the last half-dozen pages of this thread...
I think the Swiss Army knife is the perfect analogy... the enthusiastic amateurs want one camera that is somehow the best at everything, and the seasoned veterans choose different cameras depending on the task at hand.
You want to shoot sports, or birds in flight - pick an A1 or R3 or Z9. You want to focus stack your macro shots? Get an OM-1 or GFX 100s or... an A7R V.
p.17 #13 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
RoamingScott wrote:
Or do both with the Z9 and save yourself $5000 and a few extra lenses
Hi Scott,
Let me know how the Z9 works as a digital back with a Cambo Actus mini B camera. Since Sony has increased the size of the grip on the more recent Sony bodies, like my A1 the grip now interferes with the left shift of the camera when using 35mm full frame lenses when focused at infinity in landscape orientation. But, otherwise the A1 can be used with the Cambo Actus. The Z9, I doubt or very limited due to the body size.
p.17 #14 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
supermilch wrote:
Sony in the product page literally calls it "THE ONE", not "the one for BIF or sports". Maybe that's how enthusiast forums like this position it, but that's not how Sony marketing positions the A1. The product page shows it doing landscapes, portraits, sports and wildlife - granted, they don't show macros.
And it is "the one" so what is the problem here? Just because the A7R5 got a few more features than are not present in the A1 does not mean your A1 is any less of a camera today than when you bought it. Never...ever rely on Sony, or for that matter any other manufacturer, to add a feature to the product that was not there when you purchased it. Think of these added features via Firmware as a bonus to you.
When I purchase a car, I buy it for the features it has today. Next year the same car might have a more advanced feature set and I don't expect the car manufacturer to add those features to my car.
p.17 #15 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
The bitterness comes from $$$ A1 owners had to shell out ...
BTW, we did get an update to PixelShift, which finally makes it usable (even before RV, as that one is not available yet ).
Oct 30, 2022 at 01:29 PM
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p.17 #16 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
molson wrote:
I guess you didn't read any of the posts on the last half-dozen pages of this thread...
I think the Swiss Army knife is the perfect analogy... the enthusiastic amateurs want one camera that is somehow the best at everything, and the seasoned veterans choose different cameras depending on the task at hand.
You want to shoot sports, or birds in flight - pick an A1 or R3 or Z9. You want to focus stack your macro shots? Get an OM-1 or GFX 100s or... an A7R V.
I did read the complaints in the last half-dozen pages. I just didn't take those complaints as meaning much as you seem to have done. The A1 is the best at almost everything. Yeah, it isn't quite as good as the A7r V at a few things, but that doesn't mean it isn't still good at those things. A Swiss Army knife can do many things, but isn't particularly good at any of them. That is not the A1 and doesn't even match your point of the A1 that it is the best for sports and action.
p.17 #17 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
RoamingScott wrote:
Or do both with the Z9 and save yourself $5000 and a few extra lenses
But then you would be weighed down by a clunky behemoth that weighs a ton and would fit in much less travel bags/day bags. Plus, you'd have to go down to 20fps for raw. Plus, you'd be in a much smaller ecosystem.
p.17 #18 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
I've had my new to me A1 for a little over a week...it's already done 2 portrait sessions, a birthday party, indoor & outdoor high school sports, and I'm beyond impressed with it. And, it's headed with me to Maui on Tuesday where it'll get used for landscapes & in an Aquatech UW housing for waves shots. I'm confident it can handle anything I throw at it, and simplifies things since I use it for a lot of stuff and now only need one body.
Sure the A1 is built for speed and action, but for my uses a 50MP full frame body will do just fine for landscapes, even if it's missing a few new features the A7RV has.
p.17 #20 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
The point is that molson made a dumb post
shadow9d9 wrote:
But then you would be weighed down by a clunky behemoth that weighs a ton and would fit in much less travel bags/day bags. Plus, you'd have to go down to 20fps for raw. Plus, you'd be in a much smaller ecosystem.
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