p.16 #1Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Hodie wrote:
I want to know if the A1 will get a firmware update for the new AF functions…
The people on the A1 and Sony Alpha Wildlife Shooters FB forums are going to have to be put in straight jackets soon since they are fretting over the new AF on the A7RV! It's actually starting to get hilarious.
p.16 #2Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
mcbroomf wrote: ruthenium wroteHathaway wroteNot a Sony shooter but just spent a week with someone with a new A7R IV and I can observe that two things mentioned in the V will be highly desirable.
The increased resolution of the back display will be quite useful. I shoot with an R5 and can focus and frame in the dark with my back display. Not so with the IV. This was quite a frustration for my friend and we had to flood the frame with flashlights for him to be able to critically focus.I wonder if using Sony "Bright monitoring" and focus magnifier could help? I have never tried using these two simultaneously. I should check if bright monitoring and focus magnifier would work at the same time.You can't use them together, from the Sony Help Guide (R4);
[Bright Monitoring] will be automatically cancelled in the following situations.
When the camera is turned off.
When the mode dial is turned.
When the focus mode is set to other than manual focus.
When [MF Assist] is set to [On]. When [Focus Magnifier] is selected.
Good to know. I will share with my friend who shoots Sony to see if that helps in his night shots.
p.16 #3Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
molson wrote: Hathaway wroteI shoot with an R5 and can focus and frame in the dark with my back display.I guess the R5 gives off enough heat to actually illuminate the scene?
Good to see the Canon haters are still alive and well. ;-)
p.16 #4Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
mojoh wrote: kimknapp wrote..I am confident that creating the software for a firmware update to control the focus points automatically is a trivial software task, easily added to and easily handled by the latest generation bodies!Being in IT myself, have often come across situations where features, though 'easy' to implement, are not considered simply because management says 'No'.
Once a set of features is created and released, it is frozen and development resources are channelled to next/future products. Released product + code are revisited only in the event of major bugs.
Yup. All it takes is convincing the bean counters that there is money to be made charging for feature updates (at reasonable price points). If there are not enough A1 owners interested in paying for a focus bracketing update, combine it with one or two other desirable new features. Just stop making us fork over the cost of a whole new body for features that could be added to our existing cameras.
p.16 #5Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Hathaway wrote: molson wroteHathaway wroteI shoot with an R5 and can focus and frame in the dark with my back display.I guess the R5 gives off enough heat to actually illuminate the scene?Good to see the Canon haters are still alive and well. ;-)
I don't hate Canon; in fact I've kind of warmed up to them since the R5 was released...
p.16 #6Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
kimknapp wrote: mojoh wrotekimknapp wrote..I am confident that creating the software for a firmware update to control the focus points automatically is a trivial software task, easily added to and easily handled by the latest generation bodies!Being in IT myself, have often come across situations where features, though 'easy' to implement, are not considered simply because management says 'No'.
Once a set of features is created and released, it is frozen and development resources are channelled to next/future products. Released product + code are revisited only in the event of major bugs.Yup. All it takes is convincing the bean counters that there is money to be made charging for feature updates (at reasonable price points). If there are not enough A1 owners interested in paying for a focus bracketing update, combine it with one or two other desirable new features. Just stop making us fork over the cost of a whole new body for features that could be added to our existing cameras.
I'm not sure how much interest there is for focus bracketing when shooting BIF or other action sports. Pick the right tool for the job at hand...
p.16 #7Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Majestictone wrote: goo0h wrote: chez wrotesummmers wroteStill no reason to upgrade my 7r2. wild how far ahead of its time that camera was. would just pick up the 7iv if i wanted AF upgrade.Still use my A7R2 for landscapes. Would love to have 61mpix, but I’m getting by with 42.ya know, I’m actually thinking of picking up another a7RIIIa since the prices on even a new one are getting pretty cheap. I can’t lay out for even a used A1 right now, and only that one would interest me for a silent shutter that’ll work with LED lighting. Since I’m already in the habit of doing MF a lot, why spend more at this point?
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I concur with Chez, I will continue on with my RII since I am now heavy vested in MF lens.. Now, I will eventually pick up RIIIA possibly around Black Friday...
Like you, I shoot predominantly MF lenses. One point I would like to emphasize about the a7RII and MF lenses: the a7R4 viewfinder sharpness leaves the R2 in the dust. I have the one R4 and two R2's, and it is very tough getting accurate MF on fine details in magnified view on the R2 compared to the R4.
I love the images produced by the R2's, but not the manual focusing. R3's sort of interest me, but again the VF is not so great as the R4. I guess I'll keep the R2's until used prices come down further on the R4.
Still and all, a used R2 is probably the best deal on quality imaging (sensor) available today.
p.16 #8Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Gunzorro wrote: Majestictone wrote: goo0h wrotechez wrotesummmers wroteStill no reason to upgrade my 7r2. wild how far ahead of its time that camera was. would just pick up the 7iv if i wanted AF upgrade.Still use my A7R2 for landscapes. Would love to have 61mpix, but I’m getting by with 42.ya know, I’m actually thinking of picking up another a7RIIIa since the prices on even a new one are getting pretty cheap. I can’t lay out for even a used A1 right now, and only that one would interest me for a silent shutter that’ll work with LED lighting. Since I’m already in the habit of doing MF a lot, why spend more at this point?
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I concur with Chez, I will continue on with my RII since I am now heavy vested in MF lens.. Now, I will eventually pick up RIIIA possibly around Black Friday...Like you, I shoot predominantly MF lenses. One point I would like to emphasize about the a7RII and MF lenses: the a7R4 viewfinder sharpness leaves the R2 in the dust. I have the one R4 and two R2's, and it is very tough getting accurate MF on fine details in magnified view on the R2 compared to the R4.
I love the images produced by the R2's, but not the manual focusing. R3's sort of interest me, but again the VF is not so great as the R4. I guess I'll keep the R2's until used prices come down further on the R4.
Still and all, a used R2 is probably the best deal on quality imaging (sensor) available today....Show more →
I am almost exclusively shooting landscapes off a tripod and using the rear lcd to focus. Not really an issue for me getting sharp focus.
p.16 #9Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Tony Ross wrote: JeyB wroteNot for me, for sure!
Compared to an A1, it's leaps and bounds ahead the RV. Couldn't imagine hearing a mechanical shutter again, couldn't stand rolling shutter again, couldn't go back again to mechanical shutter strobe sync at studio or on location. And now I am so used to the A1 that I could never go back to anything without at least 30 fps. I seriously doubt the RV performs 120 af calculations per second to earn the Best AF in the world prize. And the A1 proverbial sticky AF faded so quickly? Don't think so.
I'm also not going to buy an A1 II when released. My A1 will last at least 5 years more. Tired about 3 years lifespan and giving my money to Sony for camera bodies that depreciate at automobile's rates. So, no thanks. No new camera will make me a better photographer. I will buy lenses instead
But yes, 8-stop IBIS and new tilt-style lcd are attractive features, but not sufficient to sell my oldish and slowish A7 RIII which in my experience has the best DR, cleanest high ISO and highest IQ in the complete Sony ecosystem (better than A1 also). But this is my opinion forged by very demanding post processing techniques applied in low light photography.I have owned an A1 for well over a year, and I know what it can and cannot do. It can be particularly painful to get A1 tracking on a subject partially obscured by a tree - that is something this new AF solves by recognising subjects, and there are plenty of examples of it working. So I think this looks like a major advance - now I’m waiting to get a new A1 with that feature! The A1’s AF is very good, but this looks better, and will probably work even better connected to a faster stacked sensor.
While I’m at it, I’ll take that new rear screen, focus stacking, timed bulb, and some other niceties thank you!
Hi Tony, thanks for your answer. As long as the subject behind the branches has eyes, the A1 locks on it without problem. If non tracking wide or zone af doesn't work, then I personally activate tracking af for this very situation, and by simply putting the focus square on the subject, the camera starts to track it, and I usually discovered that it suddenly recognizes the eyes even if the subject is not big in the frame.
A.I. AF may work fine, who knows, but until someone experienced on FM checks for it personally I will remain skeptical. I mean, sure it detects the object through AI learned algorithms, but if the subject starts to move very very quickly, like birds in flight, then you could face that the RV lacks enough AF computing power to track it adequately and at the same time performing the neccesary AF distance corrections. Oh, yes, I forgot that the RV only shoots at 10 fps, so in that case it really needs lesser AF calculations by second than an A1.
As an aside, In the begining,I've activated the A1's AF point confirmation to show at photograph's revision, but even on the A1, a green square on an eye or on a bird it doesn't necessarily mean that the photo is perfectly in focus. On the contrary, sometimes the result is slightly out of focus at 1:1 (ALmost There, ALT), but recoverable after some image trickery. So a green square it is not the equivalent of a properly focused result, nor a green A.I. subject rectangle in the evf is indicative of a properly focused subject until you shoot and check the photo.
p.16 #10Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
RoamingScott wrote:
All of those reasons are why the RV seems like a total non starter. The price is too close to falling A1 prices, all for IQ worse than the A7R2. Maybe at EDU prices, though…
JeyB wroteNot for me, for sure!
Compared to an A1, it's leaps and bounds ahead the RV. Couldn't imagine hearing a mechanical shutter again, couldn't stand rolling shutter again, couldn't go back again to mechanical shutter strobe sync at studio or on location. And now I am so used to the A1 that I could never go back to anything without at least 30 fps. I seriously doubt the RV performs 120 af calculations per second to earn the Best AF in the world prize. And the A1 proverbial sticky AF faded so quickly? Don't think so.
I'm also not going to buy an A1 II when released. My A1 will last at least 5 years more. Tired about 3 years lifespan and giving my money to Sony for camera bodies that depreciate at automobile's rates. So, no thanks. No new camera will make me a better photographer. I will buy lenses instead
But yes, 8-stop IBIS and new tilt-style lcd are attractive features, but not sufficient to sell my oldish and slowish A7 RIII which in my experience has the best DR, cleanest high ISO and highest IQ in the complete Sony ecosystem (better than A1 also). But this is my opinion forged by very demanding post processing techniques applied in low light photography.
Yes, I'm with you also. Cameras are becoming a real investment/expense these days. I've never ever been so invested in photography gear since I use Sony equipment. My Canon days were far far lot cheaper and equally rewarding, quality/results wise. Well, it was not Plesitocene, but long ago. I'm getting older, I suppose
p.16 #11Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Viramati wrote: JeyB wroteBut yes, 8-stop IBIS and new tilt-style lcd are attractive features, but not sufficient to sell my oldish and slowish A7 RIII which in my experience has the best DR, cleanest high ISO and highest IQ in the complete Sony ecosystem (better than A1 also). But this is my opinion forged by very demanding post processing techniques applied in low light photography.I agree about the A7r3. I find it to still to be the sweet spot for the reasons you mention if only it had the AF of the mk4. I still use mina alongside my A1 along with the 16-35GM
Yes indeed. The connoisseur camera is the RIII, no doubt. Extreme great value in 2022
p.16 #12Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
^^I would argue that the best value for landscape would be the A7R2, and for everything else the A9. Amazing what you could pick up the pair of those used for these days. But if only owning one camera body I would agree with the A7R3. I shot everything from racetracks to landscapes with it, probably the Sony body I put the most mileage on that I've had. Yet I was still seduced by higher MP counts and electronic shutters with future camera releases so I sold it awhile back.
p.16 #13Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Maxxus46 wrote:
the A1 is still the better camera. The stacked sensor with blackout free viewfinder, raw speed and perfect balance of resolution ( 50mpx is considered a sweet spot for many) is hard to beat. Even with AI focus the A7RV cannot keep up… the A1 performs 120 AE/AF calculations per second, at 30 frames @ 50mp each frame . That is impressive no matter how you slice it. The A1 also has excellent dynamic range and color science. So regarding Mark Galers summary, I’d say the A1 handles all mentioned categories on both sides equally well. For sure, if you narrow subjects down further to wildlife, BIF, action sports there is no comparison at all… A1 is still going to rule the roost here. It’s incredible speed makes the A1 an absolute joy to shoot with. Really comes down to what is affordable to you and the majority of subjects you shoot regularly… that should help you decide. Yes the A1 isn’t cheap, but once you shoot with one it’s hard to go back!...Show more →
I don't think a single person has argued that the A7R5 is a "better" camera than the A1. The latter has much faster operations, but also fewer features at this point (no AI-assisted focus, lower resolution tilt-screen only, no focus stacking, no quick switch dial for photo/video, no plug-and-play webcam functionality, etc, etc). The A1 should be more performant as it costs $2,600 more. For those that don't need the speed of the A1, the A7R5 offers a better value IMO.
p.16 #14Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
A1 feels like a significant upgrade from my A7RIII. Will probably get a used one at some point.
The A7RV has new features that I wouldn't really use (focus stacking, insect/car AF, pixel shift, 8k video, ...) And doesn't seem to improve the A7rIV flaws related to the sensor readout speed and worse DR/noise.
I agree that the A7RIII is still a great value in 2022.
p.16 #15Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Supposedly there may be some improvement in DR/noise. Maybe the cooling implemented for video helps keep the temps down when shooting stills. Or something else in the surrounding circuitry.
Probably not, but I guess we'll eventually find out.
Fboss wrote:
A1 feels like a significant upgrade from my A7RIII. Will probably get a used one at some point.
The A7RV has new features that I wouldn't really use (focus stacking, insect/car AF, pixel shift, 8k video, ...) And doesn't seem to improve the A7rIV flaws related to the sensor readout speed and worse DR/noise.
I agree that the A7RIII is still a great value in 2022.
p.16 #16Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Maxxus46 wrote:
the A1 is still the better camera. The stacked sensor with blackout free viewfinder, raw speed and perfect balance of resolution ( 50mpx is considered a sweet spot for many) is hard to beat. Even with AI focus the A7RV cannot keep up… the A1 performs 120 AE/AF calculations per second, at 30 frames @ 50mp each frame . That is impressive no matter how you slice it. The A1 also has excellent dynamic range and color science. So regarding Mark Galers summary, I’d say the A1 handles all mentioned categories on both sides equally well. For sure, if you narrow subjects down further to wildlife, BIF, action sports there is no comparison at all… A1 is still going to rule the roost here. It’s incredible speed makes the A1 an absolute joy to shoot with. Really comes down to what is affordable to you and the majority of subjects you shoot regularly… that should help you decide. Yes the A1 isn’t cheap, but once you shoot with one it’s hard to go back!...Show more →
I am looking forward to using the AF on the A7RV to resolve a problem I have with the AF in the A1 - the A1 does not make it easy to focus on a bird perched in amongst leaves and branches, a problem which should be resolved by the new bird recognition AF, which handle partially obscured subjects.
I know there is a natural desire for a simple hierarchy, where A is better than B is better than C in all things, but it's not that simple.
If I want rapid AF on a bird in flight against a clean sky, the A1 is superb - it will grab focus on the bird, and hold on tight, even as the bird crosses in front of trees. But if I want to grab focus on the bird in amongst branches and leaves, not so easy.
I'm not saying that I want to use an A7RV as my preferred BiF camera. What I want it to know is if this new AF tech works well, in which case I want it in the next A1.
p.16 #17Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
molson wrote: kimknapp wrotemojoh wrotekimknapp wrote..I am confident that creating the software for a firmware update to control the focus points automatically is a trivial software task, easily added to and easily handled by the latest generation bodies!Being in IT myself, have often come across situations where features, though 'easy' to implement, are not considered simply because management says 'No'.
Once a set of features is created and released, it is frozen and development resources are channelled to next/future products. Released product + code are revisited only in the event of major bugs.Yup. All it takes is convincing the bean counters that there is money to be made charging for feature updates (at reasonable price points). If there are not enough A1 owners interested in paying for a focus bracketing update, combine it with one or two other desirable new features. Just stop making us fork over the cost of a whole new body for features that could be added to our existing cameras.I'm not sure how much interest there is for focus bracketing when shooting BIF or other action sports. Pick the right tool for the job at hand...
Many of us use the A1 for more than just BIF.
p.16 #18Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Birds do NOT earn me a nickel, so i dont shoot them.
The A1 does earn me money in other areas of photography and i dont need automated focus bracketing but always nice to have options. I think its safer to say most if not all A1 users where after speed of operation more than anything else. Mine was for specialized usage which the the A1 has those abilities and is above 24mpx.
p.16 #19Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
I could actually use this body for the specialized work with LEDs and Flash stuff it seems but not to hip on selling the A1 for it. I also wonder if there maybe a advantage. I dont need the shooting speed FPS or stuff like that. AF stuff just not sure it would be better. Have to really take a deep dive on the homework. I would not mind 26 over 21 Mpx in crop mode
p.16 #20Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
kimknapp wrote: molson wrotekimknapp wrotemojoh wrotekimknapp wrote..I am confident that creating the software for a firmware update to control the focus points automatically is a trivial software task, easily added to and easily handled by the latest generation bodies!Being in IT myself, have often come across situations where features, though 'easy' to implement, are not considered simply because management says 'No'.
Once a set of features is created and released, it is frozen and development resources are channelled to next/future products. Released product + code are revisited only in the event of major bugs.Yup. All it takes is convincing the bean counters that there is money to be made charging for feature updates (at reasonable price points). If there are not enough A1 owners interested in paying for a focus bracketing update, combine it with one or two other desirable new features. Just stop making us fork over the cost of a whole new body for features that could be added to our existing cameras.I'm not sure how much interest there is for focus bracketing when shooting BIF or other action sports. Pick the right tool for the job at hand...Many of us use the A1 for more than just BIF.
Yes, I understand that the A1 is predominantly marketed towards people who shoot sports.
If you're not using it for its intended purpose, maybe you bought the wrong camera?