Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
p.15 #1Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip out 
Mar 22, 2021 at 04:30 PM
p.15 #2Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
nhsonyshooter wrote:
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip out
Don't flip it out.
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip out
Don't flip it out.
Mar 22, 2021 at 04:37 PM
p.15 #3Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
ReleaseDrive wrote:
With Samyang, Sigma, Tamron and now Sony making highly capable small lenses, perhaps we'll see a renewed interest in stop down photography. I'm all for speed and wide open performance but it can get quite overdone at times.
Overdone is understated IMHO. Many images I see is all about bokeh and nothing about the subject.
With Samyang, Sigma, Tamron and now Sony making highly capable small lenses, perhaps we'll see a renewed interest in stop down photography. I'm all for speed and wide open performance but it can get quite overdone at times.
Overdone is understated IMHO. Many images I see is all about bokeh and nothing about the subject.
Mar 22, 2021 at 04:39 PM
p.15 #4Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
chiron wrote:
Well there have only been 2 prime lenses that were designated as a G lens. One is the 90 f/2.8 macro, which doesn't offer much of a guide and the other one is the 20 f/1.8 G for $900. If one wanted to include zooms, then the 18-105 f/4 APS-C lens is designated as a G lens and it lists for $650, but that is obviously not really relevant here. The bottom line is there really is not enough G lenses at all similar to these to hone in on a price.And also the 12-24/4 G, 70-300 G, 70-350 G, 16-55 G, 70-200 f4, G, 200-600 G, and 24-105 G. Zooms, but virtually all with strong builds and excellent image quality just short of GM quality. And all, except the pretty old 18-105 aps-c lens, well in excess of $1000. With the 20/1.8 and now these new lenses, Sony is expanding the G line into primes. I'd say the theme of the G lenses is high quality optical and high build quality just below the max quality that is possible when you go to a large GM size. Or, put differently, reduced aperture and size just below GM specs.
Also, remember that people complained the A7C was overpriced when it was first introduced. Increasingly it appears to be cheap and a steal.I think when you look at the G lenses as a whole, and these new three seem like they are likely to fit right in, they tend to be very sharp but slower lenses that don't focus as much on rendering as the GM lenses. The 20 f/1.8 G seems a bit of an outlier and an almost GM, G lens. Almost as fast as the GM lenses and a very nice rendering. The other G lens that is perhaps like the 20, the 16-55 f/2.8 G for APS-C is another lens that seems to be in this almost GM category and with the 20 f/1.8 and the 16-55 f/2.8 being 2 of their latest lenses it seemed that faster G lenses might be emerging, but these 3 lenses seem to make it clear that slower but sharp is what sets GM lenses apart.I think Sony probably has to go after rendering on these new three.
We will see. IMO, it is often hard to do both small size and great rendering. A smaller diameter can of course lead to more vignetting and that means more cat's eye shapes in the bokeh and a tendency for the bokeh to be a bit swirly. A short lens means less telecentricity and steeper ray angles that can lead to more astigmatism. Now modern lens design with aspherical elements and anomalous partial dispersion elements can help with some of these issues, but of course it is hard to put more elements in a smaller design. So we will see when the lenses come out, but I would not be surprised at all if these lenses were just average in rendering, which would still be pretty good for such small lenses. Keep in mind that Sony has emphasized rendering as a part of their GM lenses with more blades in the aperture and and more polish for the aspherical elements. I'm not saying these won't render well. I just don't expect rendering to be a special feature of these lenses. I guess only time will tell.
Steve Spencer wrote
chiron wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
chiron wrote
Has Sony ever sold a G lens for less than $900? I'd bet these for $700-900.Also, remember that people complained the A7C was overpriced when it was first introduced. Increasingly it appears to be cheap and a steal.
We will see. IMO, it is often hard to do both small size and great rendering. A smaller diameter can of course lead to more vignetting and that means more cat's eye shapes in the bokeh and a tendency for the bokeh to be a bit swirly. A short lens means less telecentricity and steeper ray angles that can lead to more astigmatism. Now modern lens design with aspherical elements and anomalous partial dispersion elements can help with some of these issues, but of course it is hard to put more elements in a smaller design. So we will see when the lenses come out, but I would not be surprised at all if these lenses were just average in rendering, which would still be pretty good for such small lenses. Keep in mind that Sony has emphasized rendering as a part of their GM lenses with more blades in the aperture and and more polish for the aspherical elements. I'm not saying these won't render well. I just don't expect rendering to be a special feature of these lenses. I guess only time will tell.
Mar 22, 2021 at 04:55 PM
p.15 #5Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
nhsonyshooter wrote:
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip out
I fear it won’t happen. No flip is a deal breaker for most video guys, whereas most of the rest of us might find a flip a pain (I do) but only a few find it a deal breaker.
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip out
I fear it won’t happen. No flip is a deal breaker for most video guys, whereas most of the rest of us might find a flip a pain (I do) but only a few find it a deal breaker.
Mar 22, 2021 at 04:57 PM
p.15 #6Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
A big win for the regular shooter, as this is just the beginning. Makers will now improve these lenses considerably for upscale niches. They are easy to design and easy to sell. Makes you wonder why they stuck with the old C/N trickle down approach for so long, where punters used to eye off the fancy fast ($$) lenses being used by pros and just knew they needed them too.
Mar 22, 2021 at 04:58 PM
p.15 #7Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
chez wrote:
Don't flip it out.
Kinda hard to tilt the screen then Einstein
nhsonyshooter wrote
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip outKinda hard to tilt the screen then Einstein
Mar 22, 2021 at 05:06 PM
p.15 #8Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
DavidBM wrote:
I fear it won’t happen. No flip is a deal breaker for most video guys, whereas most of the rest of us might find a flip a pain (I do) but only a few find it a deal breaker.
I'm holding out hope Sony realizes there are still photographers out here. I fear your right though. The flip screen is a complete deal breaker for a "compact" camera for me. Oh well.
nhsonyshooter wrote
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip outI'm holding out hope Sony realizes there are still photographers out here. I fear your right though. The flip screen is a complete deal breaker for a "compact" camera for me. Oh well.
Mar 22, 2021 at 05:13 PM
p.15 #9Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Don't flip it out.Kinda hard to tilt the screen then Einstein
Don't tilt it. Lived through many a DSLR that did not allow the LCD to be tilted at all. If you really need a compact full frame camera, you'll need to live with some compromises. Or just use bigger cameras that can tilt the screen...you have a choice.
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip outDon't tilt it. Lived through many a DSLR that did not allow the LCD to be tilted at all. If you really need a compact full frame camera, you'll need to live with some compromises. Or just use bigger cameras that can tilt the screen...you have a choice.
Mar 22, 2021 at 05:19 PM
p.15 #10Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
chez wrote:
Don't flip it out.Kinda hard to tilt the screen then EinsteinDon't tilt it. Lived through many a DSLR that did not allow the LCD to be tilted at all. If you really need a compact full frame camera, you'll need to live with some compromises. Or just use bigger cameras that can tilt the screen...you have a choice.
Thank God we have Captain Obvious here with all the answers
nhsonyshooter wrote
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip outThank God we have Captain Obvious here with all the answers
Mar 22, 2021 at 05:36 PM
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p.15 #11Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Don't flip it out.Kinda hard to tilt the screen then EinsteinDon't tilt it. Lived through many a DSLR that did not allow the LCD to be tilted at all. If you really need a compact full frame camera, you'll need to live with some compromises. Or just use bigger cameras that can tilt the screen...you have a choice.Thank God we have Captain Obvious here with all the answers
Sometimes a few here need to be told the obvious or they'll continue to whine.
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip outSometimes a few here need to be told the obvious or they'll continue to whine.
Mar 22, 2021 at 05:43 PM
p.15 #12Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
chez wrote:
Don't flip it out.Kinda hard to tilt the screen then EinsteinDon't tilt it. Lived through many a DSLR that did not allow the LCD to be tilted at all. If you really need a compact full frame camera, you'll need to live with some compromises. Or just use bigger cameras that can tilt the screen...you have a choice.Thank God we have Captain Obvious here with all the answersSometimes a few here need to be told the obvious or they'll continue to whine.
Who's whining? Furthermore why would anyone listen to you?
nhsonyshooter wrote
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
I'll be interested in one or two of these once they make a higher MP A7c with no flip out screen. Still can't believe I waited this long for an APS-C sized FF body and they succumb to the video geeks and ruined it with a flip outWho's whining? Furthermore why would anyone listen to you?
Mar 22, 2021 at 05:49 PM
p.15 #13Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Kinda hard to tilt the screen then EinsteinDon't tilt it. Lived through many a DSLR that did not allow the LCD to be tilted at all. If you really need a compact full frame camera, you'll need to live with some compromises. Or just use bigger cameras that can tilt the screen...you have a choice.Thank God we have Captain Obvious here with all the answersSometimes a few here need to be told the obvious or they'll continue to whine.Who's whining? Furthermore why would anyone listen to you?
I've heard you complain a couple times now about the flip out LCD on the A7c...one more time and it's an official whine.
As far as who is listening to me...for one YOU. The bigger question is who cares if you dislike the flip out screen...don't buy the camera and move on. Do you really need to announce it ( twice and counting ) that you don't like the flip screen?
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
chez wrote
Don't flip it out.I've heard you complain a couple times now about the flip out LCD on the A7c...one more time and it's an official whine.
As far as who is listening to me...for one YOU. The bigger question is who cares if you dislike the flip out screen...don't buy the camera and move on. Do you really need to announce it ( twice and counting ) that you don't like the flip screen?
Mar 22, 2021 at 05:56 PM
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p.15 #14Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
MAubrey wrote:
I'm thinking that any former μ43 shooter around here is looking at that 40mm f/2.5 and fondly remembering its Panasonic equivalent, that little 20mm f/1.7 pancake.
I don't need new lenses, but I'm still tempted.
I was thinking of the exact same thing - the GF1 and 20/1.7 was one of my all time favorites
Mar 22, 2021 at 06:04 PM
p.15 #15Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
These 3 do look like a match for smaller bodies, same filter size and lens size, Nice!
When I bought my 1st Sony, the A7III 2-1/2 years ago, I went with the 28mm f2, 35mm f2.8ZA and the 55mm f1.8ZA. Have sold the 28mm f2 and instead bought the Voigtlander 21mm f3.5 CS lens, as 28, or this new 24, is not quite wide enough for me. Combined with the 2 Zeiss Sonnar ZA lenses they make for a very lightweight and sharp kit, with better lens spacing than this new lens trio, for my general photography in what I call "my wife" photo kit. And just like my wife, I won't be trading them in on a new and younger, somewhat sexier model. Very happy with what I have.
When I bought my 1st Sony, the A7III 2-1/2 years ago, I went with the 28mm f2, 35mm f2.8ZA and the 55mm f1.8ZA. Have sold the 28mm f2 and instead bought the Voigtlander 21mm f3.5 CS lens, as 28, or this new 24, is not quite wide enough for me. Combined with the 2 Zeiss Sonnar ZA lenses they make for a very lightweight and sharp kit, with better lens spacing than this new lens trio, for my general photography in what I call "my wife" photo kit. And just like my wife, I won't be trading them in on a new and younger, somewhat sexier model. Very happy with what I have.
Mar 22, 2021 at 06:06 PM
p.15 #16Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
chez wrote:
Overdone is understated IMHO. Many images I see is all about bokeh and nothing about the subject.
Maybe because there is almost no bokeh in cell phones pics except the fake portrait mode bokeh and cell phone is most people's primary camera. Bokeh is one of the key reasons people buy fast expensive lenses. If I wanted to shoot slow aperture all in focus stuff all the time, I would just use my phone or buy a good point and shoot camera.
ReleaseDrive wrote
With Samyang, Sigma, Tamron and now Sony making highly capable small lenses, perhaps we'll see a renewed interest in stop down photography. I'm all for speed and wide open performance but it can get quite overdone at times.Maybe because there is almost no bokeh in cell phones pics except the fake portrait mode bokeh and cell phone is most people's primary camera. Bokeh is one of the key reasons people buy fast expensive lenses. If I wanted to shoot slow aperture all in focus stuff all the time, I would just use my phone or buy a good point and shoot camera.
Mar 22, 2021 at 07:13 PM
p.15 #17Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
batterypark wrote:
I don't need new lenses, but I'm still tempted.I was thinking of the exact same thing - the GF1 and 20/1.7 was one of my all time favorites
Used GH1 and 20//1.7 for hiking myself. And that's a 40mm f3.4 equivalent, we have a whole equivalent stop faster with 40mm f2.5! Which is really nice for a hiking setup to get informal pics around the camp fire...
MAubrey wrote
I'm thinking that any former μ43 shooter around here is looking at that 40mm f/2.5 and fondly remembering its Panasonic equivalent, that little 20mm f/1.7 pancake.I don't need new lenses, but I'm still tempted.
Used GH1 and 20//1.7 for hiking myself. And that's a 40mm f3.4 equivalent, we have a whole equivalent stop faster with 40mm f2.5! Which is really nice for a hiking setup to get informal pics around the camp fire...
Mar 22, 2021 at 07:35 PM
p.15 #18Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
I guess some folks like it the easy way to get subject separation. I used to shoot with Olympus 43rd with a 2.8 lens and did fine. I guess perfect in focused eyelashes are the new thing. Bokeh isn't everything. With that's said I wouldn't mind the 40 as a lightweight walk around with my a7iii which I still find small enough. And if I need perfect eyelashes I have my sigma 50 1.4.
ramesesthe2nd wrote:
chez wrote
ReleaseDrive wrote
With Samyang, Sigma, Tamron and now Sony making highly capable small lenses, perhaps we'll see a renewed interest in stop down photography. I'm all for speed and wide open performance but it can get quite overdone at times.Mar 22, 2021 at 07:46 PM
p.15 #19Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
chez wrote:
Don't tilt it. Lived through many a DSLR that did not allow the LCD to be tilted at all. If you really need a compact full frame camera, you'll need to live with some compromises. Or just use bigger cameras that can tilt the screen...you have a choice.Thank God we have Captain Obvious here with all the answersSometimes a few here need to be told the obvious or they'll continue to whine.Who's whining? Furthermore why would anyone listen to you?I've heard you complain a couple times now about the flip out LCD on the A7c...one more time and it's an official whine.
As far as who is listening to me...for one YOU. The bigger question is who cares if you dislike the flip out screen...don't buy the camera and move on. Do you really need to announce it ( twice and counting ) that you don't like the flip screen?
Responding to a reply is not listening to you. Someone thinks alittle to much of themselves. There is a difference. If I had a dollar for everytime I stopped my self from commenting on one of you dumb smart ass replies I'd be a millionaire Furthermore I never said anyone had to care. The forums are about people voicing opinions and that's all I did. I never said everyone should share my opinion. But since you brought it up . Flippy screens suck for photography
nhsonyshooter wrote
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
chez wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
Kinda hard to tilt the screen then EinsteinAs far as who is listening to me...for one YOU. The bigger question is who cares if you dislike the flip out screen...don't buy the camera and move on. Do you really need to announce it ( twice and counting ) that you don't like the flip screen?
Responding to a reply is not listening to you. Someone thinks alittle to much of themselves. There is a difference. If I had a dollar for everytime I stopped my self from commenting on one of you dumb smart ass replies I'd be a millionaire
Furthermore I never said anyone had to care. The forums are about people voicing opinions and that's all I did. I never said everyone should share my opinion. But since you brought it up . Flippy screens suck for photographyMar 22, 2021 at 08:01 PM
p.15 #20Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Take it easy guys. This isn't worth it. Nobody needs this including you, so let's just continue with G lenses.
Mar 22, 2021 at 08:25 PM