p.45 #1 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
LBJ2 wrote:
Criticism and critique of both the camera, the ZX1 concept and even the company that dared to address a huge gap between wildly successful smart phone photography and ecosystem to the traditional camera model is of course expected and welcome.
I think this is the biggest issue I have with the ZX1 - Zeiss is not attempting to address the huge gap between smart phone photography and traditional cameras; the opposite, in fact, they're reinforcing it. And I don't just mean with the pricing, which is clearly aimed at an older, wealthy demographic. No one who is captivated by smartphone photography feels that the thing keeping them from buying a traditional interchangeable lens camera is the ability to process RAW photos in LR on camera. No one. It's a colossal disconnect to think that's the case, a fundamental misunderstanding of what draws people to smart phone photography, which is ease of use and, uh, no processing. Fuji is much closer with their film simulations, hence why Fuji is, by far, the most popular camera among my young students. Also, connectivity. Young (and old) people who are in to smartphone photography are doing a lot with the image on their phone, one of them is not likely wanting to bump the shadows or change the WB tint in RAW.
Besides, if smart phone photographers are going to process an image beyond 'Clarendon' on Instagram, it's gonna be with Snapseed or VSCO, not LR. Heck, VSCO literally inspired an entire look and lifestyle! And if you don't know what a 'VSCO girl' or 'VSCO kid' is, well, yeah, like I said, the ZX1 is likely designed for you, not them.
If camera companies want to stop their backwards slide into irrelevance with the smartphone photographers of the world, they need to find a way to integrate their cameras with the experience; that experience is not processing RAW on fee for subscription software on a $6k camera. Develop an app, make it easy, allow it to apply tons of trendy filter packs and seamlessly work with all social apps. Even then, it's gonna be an uphill battle.
p.45 #2 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
I think this is the biggest issue I have with the ZX1 - Zeiss is not attempting to address the huge gap between smart phone photography and traditional cameras; the opposite, in fact, they're reinforcing it. And I don't just mean with the pricing, which is clearly aimed at an older, wealthy demographic. No one who is captivated by smartphone photography feels that the thing keeping them from buying a traditional interchangeable lens camera is the ability to process RAW photos in LR on camera. No one. It's a colossal disconnect to think that's the case, a fundamental misunderstanding of what draws people to smart phone photography, which is ease of use and, uh, no processing. Fuji is much closer with their film simulations, hence why Fuji is, by far, the most popular camera among my young students. Also, connectivity. Young (and old) people who are in to smartphone photography are doing a lot with the image on their phone, one of them is not likely wanting to bump the shadows or change the WB tint in RAW.
Besides, if smart phone photographers are going to process an image beyond 'Clarendon' on Instagram, it's gonna be with Snapseed or VSCO, not LR. Heck, VSCO literally inspired an entire look and lifestyle! And if you don't know what a 'VSCO girl' or 'VSCO kid' is, well, yeah, like I said, the ZX1 is likely designed for you, not them.
If camera companies want to stop their backwards slide into irrelevance with the smartphone photographers of the world, they need to find a way to integrate their cameras with the experience; that experience is not processing RAW on fee for subscription software on a $6k camera. Develop an app, make it easy, allow it to apply tons of trendy filter packs and seamlessly work with all social apps. Even then, it's gonna be an uphill battle. ...Show more →
Yet you can actually share JPEGs from the ZX1 without any processing. My guess is that most of the rich people that buy the ZX1 are too lazy to process raw and will just share unmodified JPEG images.
p.45 #3 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
You can do that with any camera, though. Certainly with every Sony since the original A7. Easier too.
AcuteShadows wrote:
Yet you can actually share JPEGs from the ZX1 without any processing. My guess is that most of the rich people that buy the ZX1 are too lazy to process raw and will just share unmodified JPEG images.
p.45 #4 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
I don't think so. I want to connect my camera to the mobile phone network, log in to my favorite social media site, and share the image on the spot, with a short message that I write on the same device.
Dave Sanders wrote:
You can do that with any camera, though. Certainly with every Sony since the original A7. Easier too.
p.45 #5 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
I think this is the biggest issue I have with the ZX1 - Zeiss is not attempting to address the huge gap between smart phone photography and traditional cameras; the opposite, in fact, they're reinforcing it. And I don't just mean with the pricing, which is clearly aimed at an older, wealthy demographic. No one who is captivated by smartphone photography feels that the thing keeping them from buying a traditional interchangeable lens camera is the ability to process RAW photos in LR on camera. No one. It's a colossal disconnect to think that's the case, a fundamental misunderstanding of what draws people to smart phone photography, which is ease of use and, uh, no processing. Fuji is much closer with their film simulations, hence why Fuji is, by far, the most popular camera among my young students. Also, connectivity. Young (and old) people who are in to smartphone photography are doing a lot with the image on their phone, one of them is not likely wanting to bump the shadows or change the WB tint in RAW.
Besides, if smart phone photographers are going to process an image beyond 'Clarendon' on Instagram, it's gonna be with Snapseed or VSCO, not LR. Heck, VSCO literally inspired an entire look and lifestyle! And if you don't know what a 'VSCO girl' or 'VSCO kid' is, well, yeah, like I said, the ZX1 is likely designed for you, not them.
If camera companies want to stop their backwards slide into irrelevance with the smartphone photographers of the world, they need to find a way to integrate their cameras with the experience; that experience is not processing RAW on fee for subscription software on a $6k camera. Develop an app, make it easy, allow it to apply tons of trendy filter packs and seamlessly work with all social apps. Even then, it's gonna be an uphill battle. ...Show more →
I think you are correct or close to correct. The ZX1 is not targeted to the youngers or elders that seem to make up the bulk of smart phone photography/videography. Or at least what I see iPhone/iPad usage in my own large family from teens to 90's across two continents and a few countries as well as what I observed for many years up until about 10 months ago traveling frequently between two continents.
In fact, the 6K €/$ price tells me advanced enthusiasts aka much of the FM.com community is the target audience--nobody else can come with 6K €/$ to spend on a camera/lens in 2020 who knows in 2021.
Based upon the current/early reaction of what I believe the target audience here on FM.com community, at least the ones that take the time to post logical thoughts...the Zeiss ZX1 marketing team has a glacier to climb.
p.45 #6 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
You keep describing a phone and then insist on reinventing the wheel (or a camera in this case). It’s not hard to get RAW or JPG to a phone. Why anyone would want a SIM card camera instead of just putting the photos on their phone is beyond me.
AcuteShadows wrote:
I don't think so. I want to connect my camera to the mobile phone network, log in to my favorite social media site, and share the image on the spot, with a short message that I write on the same device.
p.45 #7 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
RoamingScott wrote:
You keep describing a phone and then insist on reinventing the wheel (or a camera in this case). It’s not hard to get RAW or JPG to a phone. Why anyone would want a SIM card camera instead of just putting the photos on their phone is beyond me.
For convenience, of course. I would buy a camera that directly connects to the mobile web, just to avoid having to dabble around with two different devices while having a cup of coffee in an Italian restaurant and sharing my pictures.
p.45 #8 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
LBJ2 wrote:
I think you are correct or close to correct. The ZX1 is not targeted to the youngers or elders that seem to make up the bulk of smart phone photography/videography. Or at least what I see iPhone/iPad usage in my own large family from teens to 90's across two continents and a few countries as well as what I observed for many years up until about 10 months ago traveling frequently between two continents.
In fact, the 6K €/$ price tells me advanced enthusiasts aka much of the FM.com community is the target audience--nobody else can come with 6K €/$ to spend on a camera/lens in 2020 who knows in 2021.
Based upon the current/early reaction of what I believe the target audience here on FM.com community, at least the ones that take the time to post logical thoughts...the Zeiss ZX1 marketing team has a glacier to climb. ...Show more →
I don't think the camera is targeting enthusiasts, least of all the kind of enthusiasts that hang around on this forum. It is simply targeting rich people.
p.45 #9 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Regardless of the whatever photography gear debate we find ourselves this time next year in 2021, I'd like to wish all of you and your families health, happiness, and prosperity for 2021. Bonne Année, Blwyddyn Newydd Dda, Buon anno, Gelukkig Nieuwjaar and ¡ Feliz Año Nuevo!
p.45 #10 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Yeah exactly. That's a lot easier to do with a current Sony than a ZX1. I do it all the time. Again, click on my Instagram, a number of those photos were posted from the field where they were shot. My phone is already signed in to everything. My camera is on a tripod. I take a shot, press play, hold my phone to my camera, the image transfers. I take another exposure, as I'm waiting for the exposure and dark frame, I click on my Photos app, share the image with friends on WhatsApp, Snap it to friends who prefer that, then post it on Instagram. Most of that isn't possible with the ZX1 and the one that is, Instagram, takes far longer and still involves connecting to my phone.
AcuteShadows wrote:
I don't think so. I want to connect my camera to the mobile phone network, log in to my favorite social media site, and share the image on the spot, with a short message that I write on the same device.
p.45 #11 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
A phone is more convenient. I suspect that if you're in your favorite Italian restaurant, your camera is in a bag and your phone is in your pocket. Your phone is simply better in every way for the task you describe, from how you hold it, how you can edit on it and how you can connect with it.
I already do this, all the time. This isn't a theoretical conversation for me. Over the last 6 or so years I have downloaded and shared quite literally hundreds and hundreds of photos from my Sony cameras using my phone. All transfered automatically, without touching a button, in seconds.
Well, I'm usually in bar with a good beer, not an Italian restaurant..
AcuteShadows wrote:
For convenience, of course. I would buy a camera that directly connects to the mobile web, just to avoid having to dabble around with two different devices while having a cup of coffee in an Italian restaurant and sharing my pictures.
p.45 #12 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
All I wanted for Christmas was a good app haha
While on public, my father on law uses his iPad to take photos...and isn't shy about asking strangers to take photos of the crew of us. It embarrasses my wife to no end and thrills me to no end haha.
LBJ2 wrote:
I think you are correct or close to correct. The ZX1 is not targeted to the youngers or elders that seem to make up the bulk of smart phone photography/videography. Or at least what I see iPhone/iPad usage in my own large family from teens to 90's across two continents and a few countries as well as what I observed for many years up until about 10 months ago traveling frequently between two continents.
In fact, the 6K €/$ price tells me advanced enthusiasts aka much of the FM.com community is the target audience--nobody else can come with 6K €/$ to spend on a camera/lens in 2020 who knows in 2021.
Based upon the current/early reaction of what I believe the target audience here on FM.com community, at least the ones that take the time to post logical thoughts...the Zeiss ZX1 marketing team has a glacier to climb. ...Show more →
p.45 #13 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
May there be many more enlivening debates in 2021 and may the New Year bring health, the prospect and possibility of travel and the sharp lenses and high resolution cameras of our dreams.
Happy New Year from Vancouver.
LBJ2 wrote:
Regardless of the whatever photography gear debate we find ourselves this time next year in 2021, I'd like to wish all of you and your families health, happiness, and prosperity for 2021. Bonne Année, Blwyddyn Newydd Dda, Buon anno, Gelukkig Nieuwjaar and ¡ Feliz Año Nuevo!
p.45 #14 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
May there be many more enlivening debates in 2021 and may the New Year bring health, the prospect and possibility of travel and the sharp lenses and high resolution cameras of our dreams.
Happy New Year from Vancouver.
Sharp lenses is so 2020...we are all into "character lenses" in 21.
p.45 #17 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
A phone is more convenient. I suspect that if you're in your favorite Italian restaurant, your camera is in a bag and your phone is in your pocket. Your phone is simply better in every way for the task you describe, from how you hold it, how you can edit on it and how you can connect with it.
I already do this, all the time. This isn't a theoretical conversation for me. Over the last 6 or so years I have downloaded and shared quite literally hundreds and hundreds of photos from my Sony cameras using my phone. All transfered automatically, without touching a button, in seconds.
Well, I'm usually in bar with a good beer, not an Italian restaurant..
I have tried the workflow, too. With older phones, you had a contrast dial if you were lucky. Many current phones don't offer raising shadows. Even if they do, it doesn't help you that much if your starting point is a JPEG. Transferring raw files to the phone is tedious and quickly drains the battery. Then, you can't really use the phone for other things while you are processing images. I'm not saying that phones cannot evolve to the point at which it would be preferable to do post-processing on them. A 14-bit JPEG option and quality, modifiable preset options would be a good start. But were not there as of today. So for me, as of today, I still have to explain to people that I'm no longer at that seashore, museum etc. but in my hotel room when they see the pictures.
p.45 #20 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
rattymouse wrote:
Nobody at FM is going to step up and buy this camera? It is not THAT expensive. So many supporters, at least with talk. But no action.
One enduring and accurate principle regarding human behaviour is this: if you wish to know what someone truly believes, ignore their words and pay attention to their actions—particularly how they spend their money.
