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 p.44 #14 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera | |
genji wrote:
I’d suggest that perhaps you’re being overly sensitive regarding the negative assessments of the ZX1 in this thread, of which I have made more than a few myself. The thread hasn’t turned into a hell hole, rather it continues to bubble along—like a tennis match, really, with the ball being lobbed back and forth across the net accompanied by the occasional John McEnroe style temper tantrum to add some spice. Nor do I regard rattymouse’s posts as being destructive in the way that you seem to imply. Robust certainly, repetitive perhaps sometimes, but not offensive in the sense of making me feel “Whoah, that was a bit much.”
Honestly, I could care less about the ZX1 as a camera. I don’t post images to social media (unless one regards FredMiranda.com as social media, which I don’t). Thus I have no interest in editing my photographs on my iPhone let alone on a fixed lens camera with numerous inarguable flaws. [As an aside, phillip_pj’s post a few days ago quoting the litany of negative criticisms made by actual ZX1 purchasers in reviews on the B&H site has been studiously ignored by the ZX1 enthusiasts in this thread.]
My antipathy towards the ZX1 springs from a belief that the storied camera is emblematic of the decline and fall of a once great lens design and manufacturing organisation. I love Zeiss lenses, having owned and happily used Hasselblad, Contax C/Y, Contax G, Classic ZE, and ZM variants over many years. But the Zeiss that produced those lenses is dead. Sony, Sigma, Cosina Voigtlander, Tamron, and various Chinese vendors are producing lenses at a rate and of a quality that have rendered Zeiss irrelevant. They’ve been coasting for a couple of years and, with the ZX1, have chosen to squander their heritage and reputation on a vain attempt to appeal to a market that is more than happy with the pictures they take with their phones. So be it. But what a tragic loss....Show more →
Yes, this thread has been bubbling on for over two years now. Back and forth tit for tat, nothing to really talk about but opinions, until now. Typical..but who would have guessed it would take two years to bring the ZX1 to market.
Some of us are willing to open our minds and explore the ZX1 concept to include bumps, bruises, and even the eye watering 6K price tag. It is a camera after all and this is a photography forum and I hope we can keep posting useful updates positive or negative, as this thing rolls out, dies an early death or something in between.
Criticism and critique of both the camera, the ZX1 concept and even the company that dared to address a huge gap between wildly successful smart phone photography and ecosystem to the traditional camera model is of course expected and welcome. Repetitive trolling OTOH by one melodramatic is not welcome at least in my opinion. I probably should have addressed the trolling behavior directly or remained content with using the Hide button for the first time ever. Otherwise and by all means, critique, criticize and post displeasure, it comes with the territory and is in fact useful.
I've read many comments about the good old days since I joined photography forums and what camera and lens companies should, shouldn't, or supposedly can't do, particularly since I chose to shoot the other upstart who went against the hardcore, Sony FF mirrorless. I listened to a lot of those gold old days comments and bought and adapted many of the good old days lenses to my own Sony cameras. It was an interesting experiment and I appreciate what many of you miss in those optics but I also learned something too.The good old Carl Zeiss days optical signature remains even in the last wave of Zeiss Otus, Milvus, Batis, loxia and probably the ZX1's fixed Distagon 35/2--early indications look very promising.
Like you, I bet more than one at for-profit Zeiss are and have been hard at work figuring out how to address the ever changing camera and lens market becoming even smaller at the premium level and now the need for new premium DSLR lenses falling away fast. One attempt to address "larger than life staring us in the face consumer needs" is the ZX1. As you've probably read many times already, the ZX1 is not just about posting from camera to social media.
BTW, Like many others, I too am truly pleased with the latest quality of lenses produced by many of these lens companies that have reinvented themselves these last few years. But I have also noticed the truly amazing quality of photos posted on the Sony forum and not just a few but heaps of super high quality and interesting images even regardless of the lenses used to include old, new, big, small, cheap, expensive etc.
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