p.33 #1 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
rattymouse wrote:
Just spent my morning coffee time reading people's comments on this new camera from various interweb sites. Zeiss did an excellent job stirring up the masses. Never have a seen such hate for a camera. Impressive vitriol that really must be the most for any camera. The only other example I can think of is when Sigma priced one of their SLR's really high. I forget what model that was.
Zeiss must be truly humiliated by how ostracized their prized showpiece has become. It is a total laughing stock of a camera and absolutely dead on arrival.
From the comments you've read this morning, how many actually tried the camera? Are these comments from reviewers? If so, could you post some links?
I really like the rendering (similar to RX1) while axial CA is way better corrected. I wish the new Sigma 35/2 rendered like this.
Carey Rose's samples (at dpreview) are usually torture tests and he could not make the OOF rendering look bad (aside from optical vignetting). The lens does not seem to be as sharp as the Sigma 35/2 or Sony 35/1.8, but from these samples, it's what I consider a balanced approach.
p.33 #2 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
I am extremely curious to see the lens on this, no matter the status of the camera or if it’s of any interests to me. It probably won’t happen, but It could find its way into another fixed lens version, or some other consumer photo product rather than just draining all that R and D.
p.33 #3 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
The samples look really good, actually. I'm impressed, but I don't think the lens quality was ever really in doubt. The overall package is what has irked folks, myself included, but IQ looks really, really nice. There's one photo with quite a bit of texture in OOF highlights but other than that, extremely well behaved lens in terms of bokeh. Nice rendering too, though never underestimate the power of cloudy PNW days...there is no harsh light to be found because there is no sun to be found...
p.33 #4 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I am extremely curious to see the lens on this, no matter the status of the camera or if it’s of any interests to me. It probably won’t happen, but It could find its way into another fixed lens version, or some other consumer photo product rather than just draining all that R and D.
Yes but this design (with the rear element almost touching the sensor) would not work outside a fixed lens camera design. Perhaps a RX1R III.
p.33 #6 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes but this design (with the rear element almost touching the sensor) would not work outside a fixed lens camera design. Perhaps a RX1R III.
Agree. That’s why I said another fixed lens version
p.33 #8 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
I'm a little envy, this guy have good connections or have real deep pocket, like the Pixii digital Rangefinder camera he's the very few that got a hands on with the new Zeiss, although his review is quite shallow
p.33 #9 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Interesting look. Ergonomics look horrible for me, I can't imagine myself being able to intuitively change functions without looking at the screen. But again, the menus and LR implementation are nicely done. I'd still much rather use my phone.
p.33 #10 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
knshshnk wrote:
I'm a little envy, this guy have good connections or have real deep pocket like the Pixii digital Rangefinder camera he's the very few that got a hand on the new Zeiss, although his review is quite shallow
Interesting video. Thanks for posting. A different walk-through approach via live monitor which I liked.
Notice the age of the reviewer? I think this is important as this technology will resonate with younger generations, it's what they know already for some years now..so why wouldn't it be on their advanced cameras too? At $6K not sure many "younger generations" will be carrying the ZX1 around in their backpacks, but maybe if this concept trickles down into one of the more affordable mirrorless platforms more people will have access IF the smart phone cameras don't get there first with larger and multiple sensors as we are already starting to see with e.g., the iPhone 12Pro Max now with 5G too (*5G not to be confused with 5GHz wifi)
Interesting comments:
"the first thing that anybody has said that I've shown this camera...oh that's the future" "...it's almost so obvious that it's shocking that Zeiss is the only one to embrace this approach so far" "might have been a runaway success if it was more like 3500 or $3000" "overall in practice, I've really found this [ZX1] to be a really seamless, comfortable, intuitive experience"
* Reviewer said he purchased the ZX1 with his own money.
** Hopefully what appears to be lack luster AF can be improved with a firmware update or too. Is the ZX1 CDAF only?
p.33 #11 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
LBJ2 wrote:
Interesting video. Thanks for posting. A different walk-through approach via live monitor which I liked.
Notice the age of the reviewer? I think this is important as this technology will resonate with younger generations, it's what they know already for some years now..so why wouldn't it be on their advanced cameras too? At $6K not sure many "younger generations" will be carrying the ZX1 around in their backpacks, but maybe if this concept trickles down into one of the more affordable mirrorless platforms more people will have access IF the smart phone cameras don't get there first with larger and multiple sensors as we are already starting to see with e.g., the iPhone 12Pro Max now with 5G too (*5G not to be confused with 5GHz wifi)
Interesting comments:
"the first thing that anybody has said that I've shown this camera...oh that's the future" "...it's almost so obvious that it's shocking that Zeiss is the only one to embrace this approach so far" "might have been a runaway success if it was more like 3500 or $3000" "overall in practice, I've really found this [ZX1] to be a really seamless, comfortable, intuitive experience"
* Reviewer said he purchased the ZX1 with his own money....Show more →
I dunno, I know hundreds of young people, of the ones I've talked to, no one thinks it's particularly interesting. They're more impressed by the fact that I can get photos from my camera to my phone. That's the honest truth. Phone. Develop a competent app. It's that simple.
p.33 #12 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
I dunno, I know hundreds of young people, of the ones I've talked to, no one thinks it's particularly interesting. They're more impressed by the fact that I can get photos from my camera to my phone. That's the honest truth. Phone. Develop a competent app. It's that simple.
Count me in for a more competent Sony app that can transfer specifically RAW files without science experiments/work-arounds. To date, the Leica Fotos apps seems to know how to transfer RAW files from their cameras to mobile since its first day of inception...Overall, I find the Leica Fotos app fairly competent ( some glitches) and improving over time
p.33 #13 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
LBJ2 wrote:
Count me in for a more competent Sony app that can transfer specifically RAW files without science experiments/work-arounds. To date, the Leica Fotos apps seems to know how to transfer RAW files from their cameras to mobile since its first day of inception...Overall, I find the Leica Fotos app fairly competent ( some glitches) and improving over time
I remain confused that Sony built in such a singular great function in their app - I can touch my phone to my camera in 'Play' mode and it automatically transfers - but then never allowed it to do RAW. Or anything else of note, particularly haha. They've had years to develop it! My students are of the 'I don't need a camera I use my phone' generation and all of them love watching me do that. Getting it to their phones quickly is all that matters, generally. I asked them about LR integration and such to their camera and their response is always 'Why?' and a shoulder shrug. I see a niche market for the Zeiss, but it's not the youth. They'd really rather not hold a two handed device and work with their thumbs. It's just not how people who use Instagram a lot interact with the app. Get photo to phone!
But kudos to Zeiss, it's a very solid effort to get to a stated goal. I may disagree with how useful that goal is, but they had an idea and executed with aplomb.
EDIT: The information about Leica Fotos adds to my urge to add the Q2 as my 28mm option haha.
p.33 #14 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
I remain confused that Sony built in such a singular great function in their app - I can touch my phone to my camera in 'Play' mode and it automatically transfers - but then never allowed it to do RAW. Or anything else of note, particularly haha. They've had years to develop it! My students are of the 'I don't need a camera I use my phone' generation and all of them love watching me do that. Getting it to their phones quickly is all that matters, generally. I asked them about LR integration and such to their camera and their response is always 'Why?' and a shoulder shrug. I see a niche market for the Zeiss, but it's not the youth. They'd really rather not hold a two handed device and work with their thumbs. It's just not how people who use Instagram a lot interact with the app. Get photo to phone!
But kudos to Zeiss, it's a very solid effort to get to a stated goal. I may disagree with how useful that goal is, but they had an idea and executed with aplomb. ...Show more →
My guess is not enough Sony professionals have asked for RAW file transfer from their cameras to their mobile so it's not a priority for Sony mirrorless product team. Or maybe a processor or battery issue--who knows. There are however at least two ways to do the RAW transfer through Sony's Imagine Edge app and FTP as I and others posted on another thread, but these are what I would call work-arounds.
p.33 #15 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
This video gives me a paid ad vibes more than anything...
Even negatives are sugar coated (come on, a large LCD with no tilting ) ...
And about that "that's the future" thing, just wait for the other side of Android to rear its ugly head: stability, random slowdowns, support for future upgrades, ... (and this comes from a lifelong Android fan ).
I'm not up to date with the latest developments in the Android world, but I'm not sure you can make it an actual realtime system (as in make sure certain applications are not swept away and always ready to switch back to, I don't wan't to bore you with dev stuff ).
I think camera's operating system is better off being proprietary as then it can be tailored to utilize given cameras resources a lot more.
So, I'm in the "provide seamless transfer and great app on the phone" camp .
p.33 #16 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
knshshnk wrote:
I'm a little envy, this guy have good connections or have real deep pocket like the Pixii digital Rangefinder camera he's the very few that got a hand on the new Zeiss, although his review is quite shallow
Watched the first five min. and could take anymore. Maybe someone who watched the whole thing can post a quick summary?
Are there any samples we can download?
p.33 #17 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
It's not a bad video if you want to see how the camera opreates, so touch UI, android, going through menus, synching with the cloud, etc.
As for more photo-oriented content, there is very little and even then, some of it is quetionable (e.g. "I was surprised this was only f2 lens, I was thinking more about 1.8 or even 1.4" or sth along these lines ...).
p.33 #18 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Fred Miranda wrote:
Watched the first five min. and could take anymore. Maybe someone who watched the whole thing can post a quick summary?
Are there any samples we can download?
Zeiss was excited. They thought they finally sold 2 but it was just this guy and he is sending one back
p.33 #20 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Fred Miranda wrote:
From the comments you've read this morning, how many actually tried the camera? Are these comments from reviewers? If so, could you post some links?
I really like the rendering (similar to RX1) while axial CA is way better corrected. I wish the new Sigma 35/2 rendered like this.
Carey Rose's samples (at dpreview) are usually torture tests and he could not make the OOF rendering look bad (aside from optical vignetting). The lens does not seem to be as sharp as the Sigma 35/2 or Sony 35/1.8, but from these samples, it's what I consider a balanced approach....Show more →
These were not user comments I was reading, just people observing the camera in general, and mocking the ridiculous design decisions, the incessant need for Adobe software, and the laughably out of touch price.
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