1bwana1 wrote:
I really like the rendering of the 80 Summilux. Nice combo. Thanks for posting.
Yes, I am really enjoying the combination too. So much so that I might just get rid of the 85mm f1.8G. The only thing is the Summulux is so much heavier.
Here is one I took this evening with the 35 f1.8 S at ISO 64, F8.0 and 20 sec Shutter.
Focusing the 80 Summilux with the Nikon Z7 is actually not that bad. The few times that I do need to magnify the view, I wished there is a way for the Z7 to revert back to normal view when I half press the shutter release. Other than that, I am pretty happy with the camera so far.
You people are killing me with the results you are getting from this camera. I am mostly an adapted lens shooter (mostly, not exclusively), and bought a Leica SL 18 months ago to replace a D800E and a cupboard full of Sony A7 type bodies. Could not have been happier....until now. The ergonomics and operability of the SL have been everything I could ever have hoped for in any kind of camera, almost a dream come true for me after a lifetime filled with a large variety of cameras.
But, the colors and tonalities you people are getting from the Z7 are better than most of what I am getting with the SL. Might be me, might be Lightroom, (have been thinking of going to Capture One for RAW conversions).
However, I look at the corresponding Flickr pages for the SL and the Z7 and the images mirror my experience with the SL. The Z7 images just look more like what I want, even discounting the resolution. Color and tonality.
I’m just so much happier with the handling of the SL than I ever was with anything else, it’s tough to switch again.
Anyway, that’s my problem, beautiful, stunning results here.
Edward Teller wrote:
You people are killing me with the results you are getting from this camera. I am mostly an adapted lens shooter (mostly, not exclusively), and bought a Leica SL 18 months ago to replace a D800E and a cupboard full of Sony A7 type bodies. Could not have been happier....until now. The ergonomics and operability of the SL have been everything I could ever have hoped for in any kind of camera, almost a dream come true for me after a lifetime filled with a large variety of cameras.
But, the colors and tonalities you people are getting from the Z7 are better than most of what I am getting with the SL. Might be me, might be Lightroom, (have been thinking of going to Capture One for RAW conversions).
However, I look at the corresponding Flickr pages for the SL and the Z7 and the images mirror my experience with the SL. The Z7 images just look more like what I want, even discounting the resolution. Color and tonality.
I’m just so much happier with the handling of the SL than I ever was with anything else, it’s tough to switch again.
Anyway, that’s my problem, beautiful, stunning results here....Show more →
The handling and ergonomics of the Z7 may be its strongest suit (and perhaps the most difficult to capture in any review). My overriding reason for going with Nikon over the Sony--I wanted to enjoy taking photos.
bhollis wrote:
The handling and ergonomics of the Z7 may be its strongest suit (and perhaps the most difficult to capture in any review). My overriding reason for going with Nikon over the Sony--I wanted to enjoy taking photos.
No experience with the SL, though.
That’s what I’m hoping for when I get my Z6 in this week. There’s no doubt in my mind that Sony cameras are fantastic tools, I had the original a7, the a7rII, and an a9. All were great, especially the a9. But the results were almost too bland, I felt disconnected from the picture taking process. With the a9, it was set to AF-C, hold onto Eye AF button, and snap. 20-30 shots in a row of my daughter running on the field. All look great, yet nothing memorable about the picture taking experience. At a certain point I almost had to try to get an out of focus shot. I would come home, having taken 200-400 shots, yet nothing about it felt like I had captured a truly “the one shot”. I tolerated the shooting with a less than optimal ergonomic camera because the end result was great, but after a while I felt less motivated to shoot,
bhollis wrote:
The handling and ergonomics of the Z7 may be its strongest suit (and perhaps the most difficult to capture in any review). My overriding reason for going with Nikon over the Sony--I wanted to enjoy taking photos.
No experience with the SL, though.
Since I got my Z7, A7r iii has been sitting in my cabinet. I don't see any reason to go back to A7r iii when I use all of my manual lenses anymore but at the moment there is no substitute for its 12-24/4 and 100-400 GM. I think A7r iii is a very capable camera but it is just a tool that I have to put up with for all its quirk. SL is very nice but I sold it a few months ago and have not really missed it.
Although I have to admit that 90-280mm is a phenomenal lens. If I know ahead of time that Sigma is going to release FF Foveon sensor camera with L mount, I might be tempted to keep 90-280
SL has much less bell and whistle than A7r iii and Z7 but it has very solid feel and ergonomic was well thought out and is much more comfortable to use than Leica M for me. Although the grip is big, I think
Leica went a bit too much over the form rather than function as the grip could be better.
Most of my friends prefer M9/M10 color and tonality over SL and most of them ended selling SL and kept the M.
TMaG82 wrote:
That’s what I’m hoping for when I get my Z6 in this week. There’s no doubt in my mind that Sony cameras are fantastic tools, I had the original a7, the a7rII, and an a9. All were great, especially the a9. But the results were almost too bland, I felt disconnected from the picture taking process. With the a9, it was set to AF-C, hold onto Eye AF button, and snap. 20-30 shots in a row of my daughter running on the field. All look great, yet nothing memorable about the picture taking experience. At a certain point I almost had to try to get an out of focus shot. I would come home, having taken 200-400 shots, yet nothing about it felt like I had captured a truly “the one shot”. I tolerated the shooting with a less than optimal ergonomic camera because the end result was great, but after a while I felt less motivated to shoot, ...Show more →
I am not sure a different camera is going to help you get “the one shot” you are looking for. I think that would come more from your choice of subject matter, composition, light, and exposure settings. All of this can be done on your existing cameras.
This is the first time I have heard that a 100% focus hit rate is a fault in a camera body. However, if one is not "enjoying" the shooting experience due to ergonomics, then a switch is definitely called for. Both the process and the resultant memories should provide an experience that is enjoyed. Otherwise why do it.
Would you mind elaborating on the "quirks" with the A7riii that are addressed with the Z7 ? Let's keep ergonomics aside for a minute. I have a smallRig L bracket on my A7riii and have zero complaints about ergonomics with it. Prior to it, yes.
suteetat wrote:
Since I got my Z7, A7r iii has been sitting in my cabinet. I don't see any reason to go back to A7r iii when I use all of my manual lenses anymore but at the moment there is no substitute for its 12-24/4 and 100-400 GM. I think A7r iii is a very capable camera but it is just a tool that I have to put up with for all its quirk. SL is very nice but I sold it a few months ago and have not really missed it.
Although I have to admit that 90-280mm is a phenomenal lens. If I know ahead of time that Sigma is going to release FF Foveon sensor camera with L mount, I might be tempted to keep 90-280
SL has much less bell and whistle than A7r iii and Z7 but it has very solid feel and ergonomic was well thought out and is much more comfortable to use than Leica M for me. Although the grip is big, I think
Leica went a bit too much over the form rather than function as the grip could be better.
Most of my friends prefer M9/M10 color and tonality over SL and most of them ended selling SL and kept the M. ...Show more →
Picture This! wrote:
Would you mind elaborating on the "quirks" with the A7riii that are addressed with the Z7 ? Let's keep ergonomics aside for a minute. I have a smallRig L bracket on my A7riii and have zero complaints about ergonomics with it. Prior to it, yes.
My biggest Sony quirk would be small mirrorless body but big lens. For my personal preference, what is the point of trying to make small body when you have big hugh 35/1.4, 50/1.4, 85/1.4 etc. I certainly scraped my knuckles a few time using 50/1.4 and 85/1.4. Mind you, I have been using Sony since A7r and own all 3 itinerations. Initially I think Sony made a right choice going with 35/2.8, 55/1.8 but then looked like Sony lost its way a bit by going for all the big lenses and not considering how balance the set up is. A7r iii addresses this issue a liitle but not really enough for me. Eventually I stopped buying any more GM lenses and use mostly small manual focus lenses with Sony almost exclusively. 12-24/4 and 100-400 is the exception and the main reason I have not sold my A7r iii(12-24 for quality and size, 100-400 for its exceptional quality) After 3 itinerations, I still find it uncomfortable to use it with big lenses and button layout is still not ideal for me. I still need to take my eye off the EVF often to find buttons unlike Z7 which felt more natural and I adapted to it very quicly. Granted fn1 and 2 took a bit of effort initially but I am used to it now. To my hand, I give Z7 body design a 9/10 but after 3 generations, I would give A7r iii 6/10 at best. Eos R would get 10/10 for body design as far as grip comfort is concern but button layout is just very strange to me. May be if I am more familiar with Canon, I would like it more. SL would be a 7.5 mainly because the grip could be a bit more contoured and while a big chunk of aluminium looks impressive, I just hate to carry around that weight with me all day long.
I dont mind Sony Menu and used to hate flexible focus point on Sony until Sony finally fixed it in mk iii. If Sony makes a bigger body with more space between buttons and substantial grip, I would be very happy.
PS I really have no complain about A7r iii image quality and when there was no choice, I gladly used A7r iii but handling experience now is so much better with Z7. Using my Zeiss 135/2, Milvus 35/1.4, Otus 28/1.4 or 85/1.4 is still a bit out of balance but much easier to handle with Z7 for me.
Not to mention that some Leica M lenses paly quite a bit better with Z7 than A7r iii which is a nice bonus.
