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p.136 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ryan, welcome back! Like the B&W shots!


Dec 10, 2010 at 09:47 PM
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p.136 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Love the third one Ryan.


Dec 10, 2010 at 09:51 PM
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p.136 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Lee Middleton wrote:
Hi

Wonderful shots everyone.

Been thinking about a RF. I have some questions before I go to the shop and look a fool. What I do not understand is the lens coding thing. So lets say I have a M9 and two Leica lenses, do I have to code each time I change, or does this get done when you connect a different lens..

Please can someone explain the framelines to me. DO you get 50mm lines when a 50mm lens is fitted and for a 21mm lens - 21mm lines.

Sorry for the dumb questions


Lee, I'm not an expert and I'm sure others will chip in with more details for you. Hopefully this gives you a general idea...

Lens coding - you have 3 options for lens detection on the M9 - AUTO, MANUAL or OFF. For AUTO, if the lenses are coded, the camera will detect them automatically and assign the correct lens profile. For MANUAL, you can select various Leica lenses from the menu. OFF switches off lens detection. Coding serves two purposes (I think), to reduce color cast of the lenses (it gets worse at 35mm or wider) and to record the lens EXIF on file. Lens detection for color cast is generally not that much of an issue for lenses 50mm and up. Coding gets a little more complicated if you use non Leica lenses (Zeiss or CV) since Leica does not provide profiles for these in the camera, but there are solutions available.

Frame lines - the M9 has 3 pairings - 35/135, 50/75 & 28/90. The camera detects the lens mechanically thru the lens mount and selects the appropriate framelines on the viewfinder. On the M9, anything wider than 28mm, an external viewfinder is recommended.

You can download the M9 manual form Leica's www and start from there. Else there are many reviews and discussions on the internet.

Joe



Dec 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM
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p.136 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Joe,

I thought as much but still didn't to want look a idoit in the shop asking how a 5 grand camera works. I will download the manual at home. I will probably stick to my 5D and Zuikos but you never know.

Inspiring thread though



Dec 10, 2010 at 10:15 PM
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p.136 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Joe, very nice shot Hope your M9 is back soon!
KL very nice shot and composition!
Ron, great shots! I love the colours from your shots. Great PP too
Luka, amazing shot!!! Really loving the rendering with the ZM 18 The shot with the ZM 50 Sonar is great IMO!
Ryan, congratulations!!! Great to see back on forum Great shots



Dec 10, 2010 at 10:15 PM
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p.136 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


35CronIV








Dec 10, 2010 at 10:17 PM
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p.136 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Joe, really nice street shot! I like the rendering of the 35 Cron IV


Dec 10, 2010 at 10:55 PM
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p.136 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Charles


Dec 11, 2010 at 12:12 AM
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p.136 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Ron, Edgars, Joe & Charles!

Ron, love the shot with the reflection!

Ryan, welcome back, congrats and nice shots!

Joe, nice shot! I'm really impressed by your street shots - you manage to capture people and reactions with apparently the subjects not noticing you taking the shots.

rscheffler wrote:
I've simply covered it with black masking tape, though it looks a bit obvious in the right light. My GF doesn't like it... and thinks I should leave it uncovered. I guess it's part of living in Munich where everyone seems to show off status symbols left right and centre. But I just find it too bold and just want to use the camera for what it is rather than for the implied luxury.



Ron, if that is your reason for covering up/painting the dot I think your plan will seriously backfire. 99% of the general population don't know what a Leica is or that it's some kind of status symbol. People that see you with a Leica will just think you have your grandfather's old film camera. The only people that will recognize it are other photographers and they'll recognize a Leica regardless of the color of the logo or if you've put some tape over it. And their reaction will be "Here's a guy who cares about the color of his Leica dot". In short probably the opposite of what you would want. I'm not judging, if people want to do aesthetic changes to their camera, it's their choice - nothing wrong with that. A lot of Leica aficionados are as fond of the aesthetic component of the camera as the actual picture taking the same way as car aficionados may be as interested in the look of their cars as they are driving them. Again, nothing wrong with that - people have different priorities. However I don't think it is the way to go if you want to downplay the implied luxury.

Anway, just a thought.



























Dec 11, 2010 at 02:29 AM
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p.136 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Luka, great Stockholm photos. You continue to impress with the ZM 18 but in the last two sets the third one in the second set is my favourite.
Ron, great photos. The reflection photo is a favourite.
Ryan, I like the third one a lot. Good composition, good b&w conversion.



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p.136 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Oh, I was still on page 115 when I wrote my last comment

So I was referring to your previous last sets Luka but the third one in this new set is also great and nice depth effect in the first one.
Joe, I like your street shoots. In this one, for me, the street and all the lines goes from right to left in the photo but the woman and the girl are looking in the other direction.



Dec 11, 2010 at 03:02 AM
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p.136 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


rscheffler wrote:
Carsten, are you saying that to remove the Leica dot with something like a screwdriver that it's a potentially destructive process? You imply that one 'folds' (bends?) the dot...


That's the easiest, but not only, way.

I know of two others. One is to remove the baseplate, unscrew all screws holding the plastic at the bottom, undoing the screws holding the top plate, removing the top plate, taking care not to damage the flexible wiring attaching the top plate to the body's electronics, and then to carefully push the dot off from the inside... I know this because I once followed this procedure to work a bit on the action of my shutter release, but I can't really recommend it just for removing the dot.

The last way takes a lot of time and patience, and I did this once as well. Get a matchbox, take a wooden match, and cut the sulphur end off. use the sharp edges of the match (which are much softer than anything they come into contact with) and alternatingly push up on the bottom of the L and the bottom of the a, twisting the dot back and forth. This takes a lot of time, about 15 minutes the first time I did it. Back and forth, back and forth, eventually it gets loose. You will need many matches...

A possible way I have considered, but not tried, is to find something round with roughly the same size as the dot, place some household silicone on the end, placing it on the dot, being careful not to let it come into contact with the camera, and letting it dry. after that, the glue on the dot should hopefully be weaker than the bond with the silicone, so it should be possible to lever it off. The tricky part is which part sticks more

Pushing in the dot is really the easiest way, but it does destroy the dot, so you need to have a replacement on hand.


That third shot is really good! Fools the mind's eye.

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Dec 11, 2010 at 06:22 AM
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p.136 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Lee Middleton wrote:
Been thinking about a RF. I have some questions before I go to the shop and look a fool. What I do not understand is the lens coding thing. So lets say I have a M9 and two Leica lenses, do I have to code each time I change, or does this get done when you connect a different lens..


Adding to what Joe wrote: the lens codes are read by the M8 and M9 body, and used to apply corner corrections to the RAW/JPG at the time of capture/recording. Each lens should be coded as itself, in the case of a recent Leica lens without code, or the best match in the Leica lineup, in the case of Zeiss and Voigtländer. The best match is not always the most obvious choice, since Leica lenses often have less vignetting, for example, so ask around here or on l-camera-forum.com to get the right code. Then look it up in the table, get the correct pen, maybe a template, and draw it on.

Since the code for the lens is on the lens, each lens only needs to be coded once, and the body will recognize it when the lens is attached. However, the code will tend to rub off, except in the case of the Zeiss and Voigtländer lenses which have a groove where you can draw, and which doesn't touch the camera when you attach the lens. It might be worth spending a bit more to track down such a mount, if available. Lenses coded in grooves should last more or less forever. Leica will code Leica lenses only, and it costs somewhere around 100 Euro, maybe a bit more.

Please can someone explain the framelines to me. DO you get 50mm lines when a 50mm lens is fitted and for a 21mm lens - 21mm lines.

The framelines are brought up by slight differences in the shape of the bayonet mounts on various lenses. On the M8, the possible framelines are: 24, 28, 35, 50, 75, 90. These correspond to the lenses you put on. Due to the 1.33x crop factor of the M8, the angle of view you will see with these framelines, and in the final shot, are approximately: 32, 37, 47, 67, 100, 120. On the M9 the possibilities are: 28, 35, 50, 75, 90, 135, and since it is full frame, this is actually what you get.

For lenses wider than the widest frame supported in the body you get, you will need to use an external viewfinder, usually placed in the hotshoe. Alternatively, the lens one focal length wider than the largest frame can usually be approximated by using the whole viewfinder, i.e. 21 (effectively 28) on the M8, 24 on the M9.

Note that the framelines in the M8 are not the same size as in the M9, due to the crop factor adjustment.

Some Zeiss and Voigtländer lenses used to come with mounts which brought up less useful framelines (I think the ZM25 might originally have been such a lens, bringing up 28 rather than 24, IIRC), but I think that they have meanwhile been changed and new lenses should be correct. I also believe that Zeiss will replace the mount if you prefer another, but I am not sure if this costs more money. The trick is to make sure that you buy a lens which bring up the framelines you want. This is only really an issue buying second-hand.



Dec 11, 2010 at 06:34 AM
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p.136 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Great bridge shot, Luka!


Dec 11, 2010 at 06:43 AM
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p.136 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Jim Schemel wrote:
Ron,
nice shots ^^^^ they look like a place that i visited in Munich Germany
-Jim


Yeah, I think Ron is cheating with his location



Dec 11, 2010 at 06:46 AM
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p.136 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Luka, much appreciated Likewise, you are giving us a masterclass in cityscape and composition! The B&W tones and composition on the last set with the 18/4 is beautiful!

Thanks Joakim.

The Leica M (or probably any other rangefinder) generally helps with the shots I take. Normally zone focused, F8, ISO 400 and make a quick grab of the shot through the viewfinder.. luck does play a part thought! For street photography, this is the best camera for me.



Dec 11, 2010 at 08:24 AM
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p.136 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


On the red dot, I think this is personal preference as Luka and others have mentioned. Henri Cartier Bresson taped his M3 extensively... and also his methods of being very discreet rubs off on a new generation of street photographers who want to imitate him for inspiration, including myself.

For me, sometimes I like it taped, other times, I remove it to expose the red dot, but the "M9" is always taped. My experience so far, because when I am out with friends or in public, if someone sees the "M9", talk will always tend to gravitate to, "Wow, that's an expensive camera!", implied " You really are rich", or "Wow! no wonder you can take such good photos". With the camera taped, talk will gravitate towards my photography instead, and makes a more interesting conversation. My 2c.

Personally, I think your awareness, movement and confidence in your surroundings play a bigger part to getting you noticed than the red dot.

Edited for grammar






Dec 11, 2010 at 08:41 AM
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p.136 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


carstenw wrote:
Yeah, I think Ron is cheating with his location


Haha... perhaps, but I'm only here for a few more days so I have to make it count! Jim, that's Schloß Nymphenburg in the west end of the city. It's one of my favourite areas to get away from the city while still being in the city. It's an area that will consistently deliver interesting photos throughout the year and in a way reminds me a bit of some of Philippe's photos in the Zeiss thread.

Thanks everyone else for the kind comments and Carsten again for the dot removal explanation. In regards to covering the dot, etc. for me it's primarily the colour and not the word Leica. In the past I've also taped over the Canon and model logos on my DSLRs and immediately replace all supplied straps with black Domke gripper straps. I prefer a simple, clean look, but that's my preference. Here in Munich I'm certain that enough 'regular' people know what a Leica is and that it's expensive based on the conversations I've had with acquaintances here. Back home or in less brand aware locales, I agree that 99.99% wouldn't have a clue.

A nice 'tourist' photo of the palace from the other side standing on the footbridge over the canal, shot with the ZM 85 f/4. I haven't use this lens much during trip and have to admit to being a bit unhappy with the results. It's not so much the lens as it's my inability to focus it accurately. I might look into a magnifier in the future, though first I probably just need a lot more practice.







And some benches from around the palace grounds, all with the ZM 35 f/2.8



















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Dec 11, 2010 at 08:53 AM
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p.136 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I screwed up on these shots. EXIF shows F8 1/125s but I still managed to blur the pics. I liked some aspect of the composition and decided to keep them


























Dec 11, 2010 at 08:58 AM
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p.136 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Joe, interesting photos. I'm finding that for these kind of shots I tend to screw up a lot at shutter speeds below 1/250 due to motion blur and that I'm not as good at guessing distances as I thought I was.

BTW, for my reflection shot on the previous page, the 9 suffered no harm I carefully held it about an inch over the water, which is probably what the woman looking my way is wondering about.



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