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Archive 2009Canon 7D
p.56 #1Canon 7D
the next 1d would be full and crop sensor, 1ds would be MF. i think 
Aug 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM
p.56 #2Canon 7D
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
Aug 29, 2009 at 10:24 PM
p.56 #3Canon 7D
twilighter wrote:
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
Why not get a EOS 5D then? New 5D are selling for less than $2K...
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
Why not get a EOS 5D then? New 5D are selling for less than $2K...
Aug 29, 2009 at 10:42 PM
p.56 #4Canon 7D
Pixel Perfect wrote:
However a550 has new 14.2MP sensor which might form basis of a D400 sensor? Not much of a jump in pixels (which is good) but might mean excellent noise control.
My worry with the 7D is if it still has a strong AA filter again we'll see little improvement in detail like 50D. I hope you can actually see the 18MP is of more use than just cropping.
However, I like to see true ISO 50 and L be reserved for ISO 25.
Not sure if that 14.2 MP sensor is back-lit.
You are absolutely right about that AA filter thing. Fingers crossed it'll be thin like the 1000D despite some reviewers' (Imaging Resource) negative criticisms.
I heard ISO 50 as base ISO is an engineering hurdle.
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However a550 has new 14.2MP sensor which might form basis of a D400 sensor? Not much of a jump in pixels (which is good) but might mean excellent noise control.
My worry with the 7D is if it still has a strong AA filter again we'll see little improvement in detail like 50D. I hope you can actually see the 18MP is of more use than just cropping.
However, I like to see true ISO 50 and L be reserved for ISO 25.
Not sure if that 14.2 MP sensor is back-lit.
You are absolutely right about that AA filter thing. Fingers crossed it'll be thin like the 1000D despite some reviewers' (Imaging Resource) negative criticisms.
I heard ISO 50 as base ISO is an engineering hurdle.
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Aug 29, 2009 at 10:50 PM
p.56 #5Canon 7D
twilighter wrote:
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
I was interested in the Sony T* lens
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
I was interested in the Sony T* lens
Aug 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM
p.56 #6Canon 7D
twilighter wrote:
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body.
Not gonna happen. Not this time around!
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body.
Not gonna happen. Not this time around!
Aug 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM
p.56 #7Canon 7D
32067dlm wrote:
Not gonna happen. Not this time around!
I'd get the original 5D, it's still got some of the best IQ around. 1ds mark II's are selling cheap as well.
twilighter wrote
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body.I'd get the original 5D, it's still got some of the best IQ around. 1ds mark II's are selling cheap as well.
Aug 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM
p.56 #8Canon 7D
twilighter wrote:
The new Sony A850 is full-frame and will be sold for $2000.
Nikon D700 is full-frame and has been well known for a good AF system.
Canon will disappoint many of us by announcing a 7D with a cropped-sensor. They are likely to lose some market share to Sony and Nikon because of this.
I hope the rumors and the posted pictures turn out to be fake.
Now let's just think about how Sony competed with Nintendo and Sega.
The 7D is not your FF Rebel, and it's not the end for Canon. If you want a FF Canon, you'll have to pay, for now.
The new Sony A850 is full-frame and will be sold for $2000.
Nikon D700 is full-frame and has been well known for a good AF system.
Canon will disappoint many of us by announcing a 7D with a cropped-sensor. They are likely to lose some market share to Sony and Nikon because of this.
I hope the rumors and the posted pictures turn out to be fake.
Now let's just think about how Sony competed with Nintendo and Sega.
The 7D is not your FF Rebel, and it's not the end for Canon. If you want a FF Canon, you'll have to pay, for now.
Aug 29, 2009 at 11:02 PM
p.56 #10Canon 7D
LoneWolf2 wrote:
it definitely won't be FF no matter how bad everyone wants it to be.
so who cares then?
Seriously, unless you like to shoot birds (I used to like it..), why would you
want a 1.6x crop camera?
it definitely won't be FF no matter how bad everyone wants it to be.
so who cares then?
Seriously, unless you like to shoot birds (I used to like it..), why would you
want a 1.6x crop camera?
Aug 30, 2009 at 12:03 AM
p.56 #11Canon 7D
Pixel Perfect wrote:
My worry with the 7D is if it still has a strong AA filter again we'll see little improvement in detail like 50D.
I'd speculate that for the 50D Canon reused the AA filter of the 450D or maybe even the 40D.
If the new 18mp sensor is a new design, the hope is that it will come with its own AA filter optimized for 18mp.
I'm even wondering if a sensor with this pixel density still needs an AA filter.
Don't know. I'll be pixel-peeping for sure.
My worry with the 7D is if it still has a strong AA filter again we'll see little improvement in detail like 50D.
I'd speculate that for the 50D Canon reused the AA filter of the 450D or maybe even the 40D.
If the new 18mp sensor is a new design, the hope is that it will come with its own AA filter optimized for 18mp.
I'm even wondering if a sensor with this pixel density still needs an AA filter.
Don't know. I'll be pixel-peeping for sure.
Aug 30, 2009 at 12:03 AM
p.56 #12Canon 7D
snowboarder wrote:
Seriously, unless you like to shoot birds (I used to like it..), why would you
want a 1.6x crop camera?
That's very arrogant.
Why would somebody drive a car other than a Ferrari? Do you drive a Ferrari?
Seriously, unless you like to shoot birds (I used to like it..), why would you
want a 1.6x crop camera?
That's very arrogant.
Why would somebody drive a car other than a Ferrari? Do you drive a Ferrari?
Aug 30, 2009 at 12:05 AM
p.56 #13Canon 7D
twilighter wrote:
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
let me know if you want to sell your L lens.
seriously, you should consider 5D if you just want a resonable priced full-frame body.
A850's specifications looks quite dated anyway.
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
let me know if you want to sell your L lens.
seriously, you should consider 5D if you just want a resonable priced full-frame body.
A850's specifications looks quite dated anyway.
Aug 30, 2009 at 12:09 AM
p.56 #14Canon 7D
I completely agree, I bought A 5D that I use with the 24-105L and it's a marvelous combo, I couldn't be any happier. good luck.
Aug 30, 2009 at 12:22 AM
p.56 #15Canon 7D
twilighter wrote:
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
Why don't you buy a 5D then
It has what you want and you can get it for a very low price also
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
Why don't you buy a 5D then
It has what you want and you can get it for a very low price alsoAug 30, 2009 at 12:51 AM
p.56 #16Canon 7D
George.ML wrote:
want a 1.6x crop camera?That's very arrogant.
Why would somebody drive a car other than a Ferrari? Do you drive a Ferrari?
I think most of us don't drive a Ferrari because we CAN'T AFFORD ONE! (To be exact, we cannot even afford the oil change)
Same reason for not having a 5D2 or 1Ds3 or D3X in my(if not many others') hands.
snowboarder wrote
Seriously, unless you like to shoot birds (I used to like it..), why would youwant a 1.6x crop camera?
Why would somebody drive a car other than a Ferrari? Do you drive a Ferrari?
I think most of us don't drive a Ferrari because we CAN'T AFFORD ONE! (To be exact, we cannot even afford the oil change)
Same reason for not having a 5D2 or 1Ds3 or D3X in my(if not many others') hands.
Aug 30, 2009 at 12:53 AM
p.56 #17Canon 7D
RobertLynn wrote:
never to years is my guess
it takes a long time and the 17-55 is a fine lens
not sure it would make sense for them to do that for a long while
they don't call EF-S L, it already uses L design internally (if maybe not L build for that one)Do you have info on the 17-55, where it has L designs internally?
Strictly speaking there is no such thing as an L design per se, every lens needs its own specific type of design, but at the time of the 17-55 they really hadn't used much in the way of low dispersion glass or fancy aspherical elements outside of L lenses, which the 17-55 has. Basically the 17-55 is sharper than 24-70L,24-105L and uses exotic elements and is priced as if it were an L. Aside from non-L outer construction I don't see anything different from a typical L.
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skibum5 wrote
xabi wrote
When will canon upgrade the 17-55mm f2.8 to 15-55mm f2.8 (preferably 15-55mm L)? I'd be in line to buy one if they do.it takes a long time and the 17-55 is a fine lens
not sure it would make sense for them to do that for a long while
they don't call EF-S L, it already uses L design internally (if maybe not L build for that one)
Strictly speaking there is no such thing as an L design per se, every lens needs its own specific type of design, but at the time of the 17-55 they really hadn't used much in the way of low dispersion glass or fancy aspherical elements outside of L lenses, which the 17-55 has. Basically the 17-55 is sharper than 24-70L,24-105L and uses exotic elements and is priced as if it were an L. Aside from non-L outer construction I don't see anything different from a typical L.
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Aug 30, 2009 at 12:57 AM
p.56 #18Canon 7D
M Vers wrote:
In the results, that's where. It's well known that the IQ of the 17-55IS is of L quality.
I was specifically meaning where there was a note, or document stating that the lens has the designs of L lenses. If it does, I wonder what other lenses do.
The results don't tell me that, because I've owned Non-L lenses that performed very, very well. I just meant more specifically if like Canon used say different glass elements in the L's over the other ones. Something that doesn't change the IQ of the lenses I already own, or will own, or that others own, just something I'm wondering. For whatever reason I like to know odd crap.
I did a brief glance over the pages, and didn't see it. What's the price point for this? Maybe that can point us more in the direction of 1.6 or 1.3 (the only reason I suggest a possible 1.3, is MAYBE an adjustment, that EF-S lenses could be used on it). Not saying it would happen, just trying to figure out. Though I don't like the rumors and speculation, I have to admit i get drawn into it.
RobertLynn wrote
Do you have info on the 17-55, where it has L designs internally?I was specifically meaning where there was a note, or document stating that the lens has the designs of L lenses. If it does, I wonder what other lenses do.
The results don't tell me that, because I've owned Non-L lenses that performed very, very well. I just meant more specifically if like Canon used say different glass elements in the L's over the other ones. Something that doesn't change the IQ of the lenses I already own, or will own, or that others own, just something I'm wondering. For whatever reason I like to know odd crap.
I did a brief glance over the pages, and didn't see it. What's the price point for this? Maybe that can point us more in the direction of 1.6 or 1.3 (the only reason I suggest a possible 1.3, is MAYBE an adjustment, that EF-S lenses could be used on it). Not saying it would happen, just trying to figure out. Though I don't like the rumors and speculation, I have to admit i get drawn into it.
Aug 30, 2009 at 12:57 AM
p.56 #19Canon 7D
twilighter wrote:
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
umm used 5D?
you don't need very high res, fps, pro AF, liveview, etc. why the heck not get a used 5D for half the price of the A850??
I don't need very high resolution. I don't need high FPS. I don't need pro AF. I just want a resonable priced full-frame body. Sony A850 satisfies my need. If not because of my L lenses, I'll get A850 right away.
umm used 5D?
you don't need very high res, fps, pro AF, liveview, etc. why the heck not get a used 5D for half the price of the A850??
Aug 30, 2009 at 01:00 AM
p.56 #20Canon 7D
roanjohnnyc wrote:
The man's right. 
Happy shooting,
Yakim.Why the sad face?? a 1.3 cropper is better than a 1.6
IMHO yes, apart from the inability to mount EF-S lenses.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Yakim Peled wrote
Pixel Perfect wrote
IMO there's a snow ball's chance in hell of this being a 1.3x cropper.Happy shooting,
Yakim.
IMHO yes, apart from the inability to mount EF-S lenses.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Aug 30, 2009 at 01:05 AM