Yakim Peled wrote:
>> But ... Can you really imagine, Photokina starting, and Canon being asked for news, answers, well, we have come up with a new 400D some weeks ago...?
I cannot. They will have some great news. And my calendar says it will be a new 1 Series camera. Maybe an announcement only, delivery in 2007. But no less.
Chant with me: 3D, 3D, 3D......
A full frame 3D with 16MP and higher frame rate would be great. But rumors on this one have been a bit slower than with the 1 series. I'm chanting with you Yakim...
joebee wrote:
I think the announcement of the 400D had more to to with responding to Nikon and Sony's moves. Still no reviews out. Hopefully we will see some reviews soon. I am interested in the claim that the s/n matches the 30D.
The 70-200 was a crumb for the current low/mid range body crowd and the 50 for the prime lovers.
I don't think they are done. I don't expect the next announcemnt to have the variety of this one. Hopefully it's aimed a little higher.
If I was the marketing head at Canon, and all I had was the XTi, 70-200mm f4l IS, and 50mm f1.2L—and this was all I had to offer at Photokina—I would save it for the event—they've got more—and I suspect it's full-frame stuf!
With several credible posts (including Michael Reichmann's review of the XTi) saying "a friend / rep / trenchcoat-in-a-parking-garage told me NO new one series Canons at Photokina," the mood here has nevertheless swung back to "but, but, but, it must be! we'll get a new camera (pretty please?)"
Tom Conte wrote:
Wow this thread has become a support group.
With several credible posts (including Michael Reichmann's review of the XTi) saying "a friend / rep / trenchcoat-in-a-parking-garage told me NO new one series Canons at Photokina," the mood here has nevertheless swung back to "but, but, but, it must be! we'll get a new camera (pretty please?)"
Actually, Reichmann's is the only one with even remote reliability, and his lacks by being secondhand and from an anonymous source (a reliable report would be an interview of an actual named Canon spokesperson). It smacks of being "rumor-control misinformation."
Before the US engaged in the Iraq war, the Administration appointees kept saying, "we have reports of WMD!" But if you paid attention to the career intelligence officers, they always said, "we don't have any reliable reports...."
First: I have no new rumors to add, as someone said eairler "3D, 3D, 3D" would be at the top of my list (FF and 12+MPs).
I just wanted to commet that it really is amazing that a thread this long has not turned into a "urinary olympics" as they so often do, have a look at the 50 1.2 thread for an example. I never understand why people get like that...
Anyway - back on topic - it will certainly be interesting to see what is anounced.
I just emailed my trusted gear supplier asking for any news regarding a 1DM2N body.
I will not mention who they are for obvious reasons.
I can just say this dealer is not located in Portugal.
Here is my email:
Hello **********.
> > Since I have been very happy with the services provided by ******
> > and specially you, I decided to ask for your advice.
> >
> > I just sold my 20d in order to upgrade to a better camera body.
> > I'm thinking about a 1D Mark II N. However, if Canon releases a new body in 1 or two months, I will be very disappointed!
> > Do you know if there will be a new body announced at Photokina?
> > If yes, what will it be?
> >
> > I'm asking because since I sold my 20d I really miss taking photographs,
> and I want a new camera as soon as possible!
> > I just don't know if I should wait for photokina or not.
> >
> > Big thanks in advance from a very happy customer! ...Show more →
And this is their reply:
> Hi Luis!!!
>
> Thanks very much for your e-mail!
>
> It is nice to hear from you again after a while:-)
>
> I got no news that Canon will bringa new model in this price class.
>
> I have all 35 news in my files:-))
>
> So I am sure that the Canon EOS I D Mark II N will be fine for you:-)
>
> I am very sure that there is no need to wait:-))
>
> We do have the Canon EOS D 1 Mark II N on stock available:-)).
>
> We hope this will be helpful for you.
> If you have any further questions please let us know, our
> door is always open for you!
>
> We all wish you and your family a very nice week.
>
> Best regards, ******...Show more →
Take this with a grain of salt, since they might just be trying to sell me one of the last few 1DM2N they have in stock before a replacement or upgrade is announced and becomes available.
However, I must say that they have always been VERY polite, VERY helpful and I don't have one single bad thing to say about them. Not even one.
They always reply to my emails, on the same day or at the very least on the next working day.
Even if I do find a dealer with lower prices (in fact, I have already found one with slightly lower prices), I will not stop buying from them.
I consider them very trustworthy.
So I really doubt that they would try to fool me.
I already emailed them to ask for news regarding the 5d.
I even asked for the full info on all 35 news, but I doubt they will tell me what they are...
Now we all know Aug 24th is not the time/date for Canon “flagship” announcements; For those that think Canon will not release/announce a new offering at Photokina-2006...
Do you all really think Canon will go home with nothing more to offer at Photokina. Please. Canon did not obtain its present day “leadership position” in this industry buy “following” or making excuses. Casnon is “leading” the industry, year-after-year with the competition trying to catch-up. Canon cannot stop. And fortunately the competition (now with SONY in the running) will continue to be running hard right behind Canon, in case they trip. This keeps the pressure of improvement and pricing in line.
In the 3rd week of September we’ll see something in the pro line-up from Canon; If Canon did the 1DsMk2N trick, adding the same menu of extras presented for the 1Dmk2N, that wouold be very unimpressive move for 2 years of development. That will not happen. I’d fire the development team…
Hopefully new Canon flagship camera will be a 22MP 1Ds3 with some very neat tweeks, like, (my whislist):
a. Improved firmware, menues, internal processing; top-of-the-line Picture Styles capabilities, not existing in any present day “N” upgrades.
b. LCD screen resized from its LCD 2” display, to 2.50” 2.75” or 3.00.” Perhaps leaving LCD for OLED design; Canon has already announced that their whole line-up will migrate towards OLED screens in a year or two; perhaps this flagship camera will be the first for Canon.
b2. Dual Card Slots,,, change configuration to TWO Compact Flash Card slots, and provide CF-to-SD adapter in Box. Having one of each is terrible idea. I am presently on CF cards and would perfer to have 2nd slot CF type for auto switch-over to slot #2 when 1st CF card is full...
c. GPS capability; USA law enforcement and photo-journalism have been screaming for this for several years; this may be the year for this capability.
d. In-Camera connectivity capability, 802.11a/g/n.
e. Changes like battery redesign to LiON may wait for the EOS-1Dx release, with the body trimming for the cross-over 1D/1Ds camera design. This could also be the OLED screen commencement.
I took a moment to read the “leaks” from prior years on various sites, to see when they told any “truths.” There was little truth told. Most were quite inventive, however, off-point, until about a week prior to show-time. They were also talking of 22MP over 2 years ago. That would have been quite a jump 11MP to 22MP; I guess the math was easy, 2x… Intereting perspective.
I'm sure there will be news, specially a new body.
I'm expecting some new lenses, too.
I was just hoping for either a new 1DM2 (according to that dealer, it's not going to happen) or an improved 5d.
Let's see what he has to say about this.
Tomorrow I'll post his reply.
I would be surprised if nothing else was announced in the last days leading up to Photokina. As many have stated, Canon has been dominating the DSLR market for the last few years, but has seen Nikon aggressively closing the gap and Sony jumping in to grab a share of the consumer market with a good product and great branding. For Canon not to come out with a significantly strong product would mean that something has gone horribly wrong with their development team. They cannot sit back and release middling, token updates such as the 1D MkII N and the 30D and expect their following to meet these meagre offerings wide-eyed. A Rebel XTi isn't going to cut it, and will not preserve market position in the wake of the D80 and Sony Alpha releases.
The fact that two new EF lenses were announced clearly indicates that Canon is hard at work on full frame sensors and is not interested in putting significant effort into the release of quality EF-S lenses. This is echoed in their white paper touting the benefit of full frame sensors. Of course, for full frame sensors to do anything, they need to be in cameras, and their existing models are quite long in the teeth.
If Canon does not come up with a pro body before PMA 2007 they will be in a world of hurt, watching sales of 30Ds and MkII Ns erode as consumers switch to D200s and D2xs. Canon glass is nice, but noone is going to sit around and polish lenses all day long waiting for a decent body to put them on. My money is on Canon to release a camera in the 5D to 1Ds range this autumn.
I will find it very strange if canon does not improve the 1DM2N, since it is a professional camera that carries an "old" sensor with "only" 8.2MP.
Before everyone jumps out on me stating that MP is not the holy grail of photography, allow me to explain my POV.
It's not all about MP's.
It's about IQ.
The 5d has a fabulous sensor, regardless of MP'.s The second best, or even, according to some (including me) possibly the best sensor around, despite the fact that the 1DsM2 features a 16.7MP sensor.
The 5d's image quality is just outstanding.
And now we possibly have one more non professional camera, the 400d, with a better sensor. Even worse, it's an entry level camera!
My point is if the 400d sensor proves to deliver the same level of DR, sharpness and low noise at high iso as the 20d, then I believe it's same to assume that it is a (slightly) better sensor than the 1DM2N's!!!
Will the canon lineup feature a entry level camera with a better sensor than a professional camera?
