I am expecting another announcement this year (at Photokina). Locally, the 5D and, more importantly, 1DIIn prices have fallen quite sharply in the recent few weeks. Canon Australia NEVER discount stuff until the last minute before a replacement is announced (and sometimes not even then!). While I do not expect the 5D to be replaced yet (maybe next year, but it's a little too soon right now), I would not be surprised if a new EOS 1 body was announced in the next few weeks.
And exactly how many are craving for this (and are willing to pay the price)?
How many complaints do you hear from 1D Mk II/N owners or 1Ds Mk II owners that they just NEED both FF and 8 fps?
I'm not complaining about the fps rate on my 1DS M2 but i do hate the fact, that when i shoot more rapidly (RAW) the buffer fills up rather quickly and to then clear it (aka write on CF cards) takes forever (especially with people on set, anxious to get out of the studio).
But that might be something for a later release, we'll get what's already packed and ready to ship.
(Imagine, people used and still shoot 8x10 and I’m complaining.)
I am positive that DIGIC III will soon come and will offer great advantages to DIGIC II but the constant crave for what we don't have often blinds us to the wonderful things we already have.
1.6x 10M CMOS senor
Anti-dust feature
2.5 inch LCD
9 focus points
5 fps
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For those who are not familiar with him, he often although not always seems to have good intel.
Personally, it think it sounds dreary, and the high ISO performance of the 400D does not encourage me to expect much- can't understand why Canon would bother doing an upgrade after only 6 months if that is all it is.
Regards,
DaveMart
1.6x 10M CMOS senor
Anti-dust feature
2.5 inch LCD
9 focus points
5 fps
CF '
From :http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=19890732
For those who are not familiar with him, he often although not always seems to have good intel.
Personally, it think it sounds dreary, and the high ISO performance of the 400D does not encourage me to expect much- can't understand why Canon would bother doing an upgrade after only 6 months if that is all it is.
Regards,
DaveMart
I can't imagine them replacing the 30D after 6 months for a minor sensor upgrade either. Don't jump down my throat about 10MPX being a leap in technology; it just wouldn't make sense to me for them to spend the R&D and any retooling effort to replace the 20D twice in 1 year.
1.6x 10M CMOS senor
Anti-dust feature
2.5 inch LCD
9 focus points
5 fps
CF '
From :http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=19890732
For those who are not familiar with him, he often although not always seems to have good intel.
Personally, it think it sounds dreary, and the high ISO performance of the 400D does not encourage me to expect much- can't understand why Canon would bother doing an upgrade after only 6 months if that is all it is.
Regards,
DaveMart
Wouldn't surprise me too much to see them drop the new sensor into the 30D. Makes sense as they eliminate one sensor that they need to manufacture which frees up some production capacity. What wouldn't make sense is calling it a 40D and trying to pawn it off as a new body. The scathing Internet blabber alone would make it a marketer's nightmare.
Call it a 30Dn and everyone would be cool with it I suspect.
Yakim Peled wrote:
>> It's not fast enough for FF 8fps for example.
And exactly how many are craving for this (and are willing to pay the price)?
How many complaints do you hear from 1D Mk II/N owners or 1Ds Mk II owners that they just NEED both FF and 8 fps?
fraga wrote:
I will find it very strange if canon does not improve the 1DM2N, since it is a professional camera that carries an "old" sensor with "only" 8.2MP.
Before everyone jumps out on me stating that MP is not the holy grail of photography, allow me to explain my POV.
It's not all about MP's.
It's about IQ.
The 5d has a fabulous sensor, regardless of MP'.s The second best, or even, according to some (including me) possibly the best sensor around, despite the fact that the 1DsM2 features a 16.7MP sensor.
The 5d's image quality is just outstanding.
And now we possibly have one more non professional camera, the 400d, with a better sensor. Even worse, it's an entry level camera!
My point is if the 400d sensor proves to deliver the same level of DR, sharpness and low noise at high iso as the 20d, then I believe it's same to assume that it is a (slightly) better sensor than the 1DM2N's!!!
Will the canon lineup feature a entry level camera with a better sensor than a professional camera?
timbop wrote:
I can't imagine them replacing the 30D after 6 months for a minor sensor upgrade either. Don't jump down my throat about 10MPX being a leap in technology; it just wouldn't make sense to me for them to spend the R&D and any retooling effort to replace the 20D twice in 1 year.
Perhaps this new sensor and cleaning technology were supposed to be in the 30D in the first place? Think of it as a replacement for the 2 year old 20D instead of a replacement for the 6+ month old 30D, since the latter was just a minor adjustment anyway.
JCDoss wrote:
Perhaps this new sensor and cleaning technology were supposed to be in the 30D in the first place? Think of it as a replacement for the 2 year old 20D instead of a replacement for the 6+ month old 30D, since the latter was just a minor adjustment anyway.
Funny...I think someone mentioned this as a real possibility about 50 pages ago.
cwphoto wrote:
Isn't the 5D's sensor just a 1D Mark II N's sensor with the missing pixels from the crop?
Both sensors have equal sized pixels of 8.2 um. 5D was released later than 1D Mark II, so its sensor may have better manufacturing process, and possibly a different anti-aliasing filter, but I don't have any facts about them.
The equal pixel size unfortunately has meant that 1D Mark II (N) hasn't provided any improvement of the telephoto reach for the lenses a 5D owner has.
JCDoss wrote:
Perhaps this new sensor and cleaning technology were supposed to be in the 30D in the first place? Think of it as a replacement for the 2 year old 20D instead of a replacement for the 6+ month old 30D, since the latter was just a minor adjustment anyway.
I understand what you are saying, but they can't just "drop-in" a new sensor to the 30D without renaming it in some way. So, it would at least have to be the 30Dn or mk2 or something. But that is beside the point, the real crux of what I was trying to say is that I can't see them coming out with what amounts to 2 fairly cosmetic changes to the 20D in the same year. IF they do update/replace the 30D in such a short time period IMHO it would have to have a lot more going for it than a 10MP self clean sensor. It would almost certainly have to be something more significant, perhaps an AF upgrade to the 5D, or maybe better ISO3200/ISO6400. But, if they did that then they would now have a $1500 camera that's arguably "better" than the 5D or even 1dm2n!
It just doesn't make sense to me for canon to try to push out a minor 30D update, even if you do call it an update to the 20D. I think it is far more likely that a 3d/5d replacement is looming on the horizon. They can live with slumping 30D sales until PMA, but not 1dm2n AND 5d sales.
OH, I also forgot to point out that the 20D has better high ISO perf than the 350, so one would expect a 40D to have better high ISO sensor than the sensor placed in the 400. If the same sensor is used then at the very least they would have to enable ISO3200 on the 40D, which would make it seem odd that the 400 only goes to 1600. It could happen that the same sensor is in both, but it would seem odd to me. I am not sure, but I don't think they did this with anything but the 20d/30d. Not sure about the 10D and original d-reb.
