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Hi Nate,

Just to give you a bit of context: I have been using Davinci Resolve 18 & 19 daily for the last 2 1/2 years. I love doing this kind of stuff so I spend about 20 hours or more a week at it and I've watched a gazillion online tutorials by pros over that time. Before retiring a few years ago my wife and I owned a small digital design business for almost 30 years during which time we did corporate and product videos for 3 years for some of our clients and I used Adobe Premiere Pro
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Thanks, Rudy. This is great. I appreciate the backstory and context, as well as the detailed play by play.

I only just started using Resolve a few months ago and am continuing to get familiar with it (still a lot to translate and unlearn from years of using After Effects for work - which I still do), but I’m really liking this workflow. Also really enjoy seeing / reading about others’ process. Always come out of it learning something.



Jan 12, 2025 at 12:58 AM
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This is a test,,,,,

I spend more time than I'd like to admit getting to this point but I got there. I recorded my guitar into a DAW, (Ableton Live) edited, and dropped it into Premiere Pro my video editing program. The pics were the easiest ones to grab and I only used a few in case the whole project shit the bed. 😂 This little exercise was for the audio portion. It'll sound like crap coming from a phone but on my home stereo speakers even I'm satisfied.

The music has absolutely nothing to with the pics it's just what
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Nice La Grange, you should have kept it rolling longer.



Jan 12, 2025 at 01:26 AM
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artsupreme wrote:
Nice La Grange, you should have kept it rolling longer.


The reason I didn’t was I didn’t want to invest *too* much time in the whole thing and have it not work.



Jan 12, 2025 at 06:10 AM
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I should have known better than to ask two questions in one post, so let me try again ...

As an amateur wildlife photographer, my typical approach is to go on a walk/hike and photograph the wildlife that I see around me. Admittedly, there are some things (e.g. Sparrows or Mallards) that I see so frequently that I often ignore them, and occasionally I will go to a specific location to try to photography something specific, although even then I'll shoot other wildlife I see. After realizing that I usually enjoy viewing wildlife videos even more than wildlife photos, I'm now starting to shoot some video, but it is still kind of an afterthought after I've taken "enough" photos.

For hybrid wildlife shooters, how do you decide when to shoot still images versus when to shoot video?



Jan 14, 2025 at 02:05 AM
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For those of you shooting both wildlife photos and videos, what "mode" do you have your camera in when you are walking/hiking around looking for wildlife?

For stills only, I have two custom shooting modes, one for birds-in-flight and another for slower moving birds and other slow moving wildlife. When walking around, I keep the camera in BIF mode since those opportunities pass very quickly, while I figure I have more time to switch to the other mode (with a single button press). Now that I'm trying to shoot video as well as photos, I'm setting up a couple custom shooting
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Peter,
I usually have my camera in photo mode with set up for freezing action when looking for wildlife. Early on in video, I did do a good amount of hand held work, but mostly was disappointed. With longer lenses, and video, I need to use a monopod at the least and a tripod preferably. I do try to have my video set for what I hope to shoot, i.e. high frame rate or high quality, and can switch over pretty fast if I want to.You custom modes should be great. I generally try to get some stills first and then if possible switch to video and sometimes go back and forth. Some subjects will be far enough away I know I will want video instead of stills. To me, smaller subjects are more interesting in video than stills.Also in very poor light I may be in video on a tripod from the get-go. I'm looking forward to seeing your videos going forward.
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Jan 14, 2025 at 07:13 AM
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dj63401 wrote:
Peter,
I usually have my camera in photo mode with set up for freezing action when looking for wildlife. Early on in video, I did do a good amount of hand held work, but mostly was disappointed. With longer lenses, and video, I need to use a monopod at the least and a tripod preferably. I do try to have my video set for what I hope to shoot, i.e. high frame rate or high quality, and can switch over pretty fast if I want to.You custom modes should be great. I generally try to get some stills first and then
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Hi Peter,
I apologize for taking so long to get back to you on this. I've had in mind for days to write something, but checking here just now I see that Dave has beat me to it. So I'm putting on the brakes of my crazy schedule right now and finally answering.

I like Dave, I usually do my photo walk abouts with my R5 set in photo mode. Also like Dave, my experience with doing hand held video has never been that great and I much prefer a well planned stationary video shoot with my camera on a solid tripod with a video head. And just like Dave, when I see a desired subject I initially try to take at least a few good still images and then I move to shooting some video footage. Once I get some good video footage on my memory card I'll move to switching back forth using the red button.

Good luck and like Dave, I'm looking forward to see some of your videos.

Cheers,
Rudy



Jan 14, 2025 at 11:32 AM
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I am so happy to have found this forum. By way of introduction, I am a long time still shooter, from the film days, and am only now getting into video. I'm loving it, but learning that its a whole new world. I shoot wildlife, especially birds and birds in flight, and us a Canon R5 (original) with an EF 100-400 and an RF 200-800 as may main lenses for wildlife.

I have a million questions as I try to learn about fps, ISO, exposure, etc. in the video environment. But I will finish reading the forum before I ask too many dumb questions. I do have one though: I have an H&Y variable ND and CPL filter. I like the magnetic mount, but the thing is cumbersome, because it has both CPL and VND levers -I don't know that I need CPL?. I see that I can only get a Canon drop in filter adapter for EF lenses, not RF, and the reviews of those sound a bit iffy. Have any of you found alternatives to lens mounted VNDs for the R5.

I'll stick a sample video in to show what a novice I am Any criticism/advice welcomed.

Thanks for listening

Fledgling Burrowing Owls



Jan 14, 2025 at 04:32 PM
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Hi Lane,

Welcome to the forum. Nice to see another wildlife shooter!

Cheers
Rudy



Jan 14, 2025 at 05:33 PM
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p.9 #9 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...


vbnut wrote:
I should have known better than to ask two questions in one post, so let me try again ...

As an amateur wildlife photographer, my typical approach is to go on a walk/hike and photograph the wildlife that I see around me. Admittedly, there are some things (e.g. Sparrows or Mallards) that I see so frequently that I often ignore them, and occasionally I will go to a specific location to try to photography something specific, although even then I'll shoot other wildlife I see. After realizing that I usually enjoy viewing wildlife videos even more than wildlife photos, I'm now
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If you are here in this thread you probably feel you have been there and done that with still photography. Shooting stills is so easy and second nature you don't even need to think about what you are doing. Witht that said I go out with the mindset now that I'm going to shoot video and maybe add in some stills. There is more forethought into shooting video becasue you need stabilization, but that's about it other than dialing in your exposure.

I loved how the R5 could be setup to use the M-fn button to switch between video and photo mode. It was so quick and easy to do so. I didn't have to remove my eye from the VF and I didn't need to "reach" for anything. Now with the R5II's I hate the switch they put on the left side. Canon went backwards with this feature as it's not as quick and easy to switch between modes. The R3 has a swtich you can use with your right thumb, but I still prefer using the M-fn button of the old R5 as it's the quickest/easiest way to switch.

For the mindset, I think it's a good rule of thumb to know the scene allows you to shoot minimum of 15-30 second clips. If the scene won't allow that then switch to photo and quickly shoot some photos.

If you are having trouble training your mind to be more of a video centric shooter, just remind yourself how much more excited you get by viewing unprocessed log video clips compared to a perfectly focused sequence of stills in perfect lighting. Stills just don't do much for me anymore no matter how perfect they are or how difficult they were to capture.



Jan 14, 2025 at 05:54 PM
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LaneW222 wrote:
I am so happy to have found this forum. By way of introduction, I am a long time still shooter, from the film days, and am only now getting into video. I'm loving it, but learning that its a whole new world. I shoot wildlife, especially birds and birds in flight, and us a Canon R5 (original) with an EF 100-400 and an RF 200-800 as may main lenses for wildlife.

I have a million questions as I try to learn about fps, ISO, exposure, etc. in the video environment. But I will finish reading the forum before I ask
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Welcome Lane, glad you joined in.
I don't have much advice on ND filters. I usually video early morning or late evening. So I generally don't need them. I also push the envelope with closing down aperture, and sometimes even break the 180 rule on shutter speed to get correct exposure. If I had more opportunities midday, I would probably get them and learn to use them.
I liked your owl video. You posted it from Flickr, and that limits you to 1080, I think. If you want 4k, Youtube is my choice.
Looking forward to your contributions.
Dave
PS: I'm the Dave from Backcountry forum.




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Thanks Dave,

Good to see you here. I also shoot mostly mornings and evenings, and I think I'm also finding that closing down aperture helps to a large extent. NDs work well, but are a bit of a pain. I'll learn to deal with that eventually.

Yes, Flickr limits to 1080p. Good advice to use YouTube instead.

Lane



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LaneW222 wrote:
I am so happy to have found this forum. By way of introduction, I am a long time still shooter, from the film days, and am only now getting into video. I'm loving it, but learning that its a whole new world. I shoot wildlife, especially birds and birds in flight, and us a Canon R5 (original) with an EF 100-400 and an RF 200-800 as may main lenses for wildlife.

I have a million questions as I try to learn about fps, ISO, exposure, etc. in the video environment. But I will finish reading the forum before I ask
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I use the Nisi Swift system for ND's:
https://nisiopticsusa.com/product/nisi-67mm-swift-vnd-mist-kit-1-9-stops-1-5-stops-vnd-4-stop-nd-black-mist-1-4/



Jan 14, 2025 at 11:40 PM
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I tried many VNDs and they all suck some more than others, but I now gave up, I now use fix NDs and play with the ISO if needed as if you get this X pattern with VND is unfixable in post, while ISO noise can be easily fixed in post.

I'm seriously considering the on sensor Kase NDs so I can use a set with all my lenses.

Regarding photo and video, especially for things with fast action I don't hesitate if I need the photos to use a high shutter speed, in today world of iphones and gopro people are so used to see high shutter speed video that they don't even notice. By shooting 8K RAW I get 33 Mpix photos that are almost perfect, so no need to switch back and forth.


Video:



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For stuff that panning is good using a 1/50 SS allows you to get some great pictures out of the video too:






























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action99 wrote:
I tried many VNDs and they all suck some more than others, but I now gave up, I now use fix NDs and play with the ISO if needed as if you get this X pattern with VND is unfixable in post, while ISO noise can be easily fixed in post.

I'm seriously considering the on sensor Kase NDs so I can use a set with all my lenses.

Regarding photo and video, especially for things with fast action I don't hesitate if I need the photos to use a high shutter speed, in today world of iphones and gopro people
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Hi action99

These are fabulous, both the videos and images. Thanks for the great information!
Cheers,
Rudy



Jan 15, 2025 at 05:31 AM
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n8rv wrote:
The sky looks great. Highlights well preserved. Something about the rest of the scene feels a little overly contrasty and sharp to me, almost like a “clarity” and/or “texture” slider in Lightroom turned all the way up (it’s the first analogy that springs to mind). That would be my only comment. What was your process like?


Hi Nate,

I took another few cracks at processing my sunset footage shot with the R5, RF50/1.8 in C-log3 trying to make the foreground better. Hope it worked. However, I still can't make the image really pop like I can shooting regular picture profiles. THe journey continues...

Rudy





Jan 15, 2025 at 05:35 AM
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Rudy Pohl wrote:
Hi Nate,

I took another few cracks at processing my sunset footage shot with the R5, RF50/1.8 in C-log3 trying to make the foreground better. Hope it worked. However, I still can't make the image really pop like I can shooting regular picture profiles. THe journey continues...

Rudy


Rudy this looks a lot better to my eyes. I like the softer contrast and warmer, slightly saturated shadows. I hear you on the journey. I'm still on it myself.

n8rv wrote:
Updated the rig with the Shinobi II monitor. I really like this thing. Has a couple of small setup quirks I need to figure out but overall, great. Really love that I can control the R5II and even tap to focus through the monitor.

Feels a lot more accurate than the Viltrox monitor I was using before. Not to mention, a lot less bulky. This rig is heavy enough as it is.


Welp... the honeymoon period with the Shinobi II was short. I've had this repeatable weird issue where the R5II would fail to save video after recording while connected to the monitor. At times it would throw up a warning message that recording had to stop or failed due to slow write speeds. Once I disconnected the Shinobi II and connected my other Viltrox monitor, the issue stopped and recording worked as expected.

I did have the Shinobi II connected to the R5II via both, HDMI for video and USB-C for camera control + power. The Viltrox was a simple, no frills HDMI connection, each using their own power source. May need to test the Shinobi II with a simplified connection to see if the issue persists.

I think only @Carlo_M here has also been using the same monitor. Have you noticed any similar or other weird behavior?

Unrelated (or related?) to the above... the Shinobi II also overheated and powered off a couple of times. Needless to say, overall, I'm frustrated with the Atomos. I do really like the color reproduction, form factor, and general functionality... but if it's going to be unreliable, especially in contrast to a cheaper, "budget" Viltrox monitor, then we may need to reconsider.


And on another note, because today was just one issue after another... Resolve was giving me all sorts of hell tonight, especially when trying to composite some footage in Fusion. These were fairly simple Fusion comps yet Resolve consistently struggled and crashed multiple times. These new bits of footage were shot in HEVC as opposed to AVC... so now I wonder if that could have been a factor.

This is on a rig with 16-Core AMD Ryzen 7950X processor, dual NVIDIA RTX 4090 GPUs and 128 GB RAM that handles all of my 3D and CGI work without a hitch, so computing power shouldn't be an issue.

I might reshoot some more footage tomorrow in AVC and see if I continue to run into trouble.

As Rudy said, the journey continues...



Jan 15, 2025 at 11:56 PM
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Sorry to hear about your issues. I have not experienced that but to be honest I'm not sure I've used the Shinobi II extensively since I got my R5ii (I used it a lot on my R6ii before I traded up). The videos I've been taking have been off-the-cuff over the last couple months of R5ii ownership so I've been using primarily the LCD screen. I'll let you know if I experience the same glitchiness.

You've updated to the latest firmware from Atomos, right?



Jan 16, 2025 at 12:24 AM
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action99 wrote:
Regarding photo and video, especially for things with fast action I don't hesitate if I need the photos to use a high shutter speed, in today world of iphones and gopro people are so used to see high shutter speed video that they don't even notice. By shooting 8K RAW I get 33 Mpix photos that are almost perfect, so no need to switch back and forth.


I'm test-driving an R5II (and an R1) this week, and was considering recording 4K and using the frame grabbing feature, but it looks like you only get JPEGs (or HEIF), which limits the flexibility for post-processing. How do you extract 33 Mpix photos from 8K RAW?



Jan 16, 2025 at 12:36 AM
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vbnut wrote:
I'm test-driving an R5II (and an R1) this week, and was considering recording 4K and using the frame grabbing feature, but it looks like you only get JPEGs (or HEIF), which limits the flexibility for post-processing. How do you extract 33 Mpix photos from 8K RAW?


Imo the in camera frame grabbing feature is a joke. They should have one that works on RAW and save a RAW image,

I shoot all in 8K RAW either 25 or 50. In Resolve I have mapped F4 function to the export stills menu, I then create a 8K DCI timeline giving a meaningful name (stills will have the timeline name) add the video(s) to the timeline, add a node or more for corrections (here I do all the basic corrections and white balance) and one more node for the LUT. I then scrub through the video in the Edit or Color tab and hit F4 to any frame that I like and save it as jpeg. I may fine tune the correction node image by image if needed. If it is an image that I would like to process even more in Adobe Camera Raw, I disable the correction node and hit F4 but I save it as a 16 bit Tiff instead than the jpeg.
Last pass I do cropping and small fine tuning in Camera Raw, as cropping is a pita in Resolve.
Once you get used is a fairly quick process.

I would say that 90% of the pictures, I do all the adjustment in Resolve other than cropping, for 10% I do export the tiffs and final edit in Camera Raw. You can also export the Tiff without the LUT and apply the LUT in Camera RAW but if you want to do heavy WB changes is not as good as doing it in Resolve.

The bonus that especially for athlete stuff I get a lot of expression moments that I would never get by simply shooting pictures. I also rarely use remotes for my remote camera but simply start and stop video, no more missed moments.



Jan 16, 2025 at 04:55 AM
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Imo the in camera frame grabbing feature is a joke. They should have one that works on RAW and save a RAW image,

I shoot all in 8K RAW either 25 or 50. In Resolve I have mapped F4 function to the export stills menu, I then create a 8K DCI timeline giving a meaningful name (stills will have the timeline name) add the video(s) to the timeline, add a node or more for corrections (here I do all the basic corrections and white balance) and one more node for the LUT. I then scrub through the video in the
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acrion99,

This is terrific! I just mapped mine to F4 as well and it works beautifully. You certainly have a very effective strategy and your results, both video and stills, are superb.

Thanks
Rudy



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