p.1 #1 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
I'm not sure how many people here are interested in video but I figured I would start a video thread to see if it gains any traction. I'm much more interested in shooting video now and I'd like to see some technical discussion from the video guys here. I've been shooting video on the R5 for several years now in clog3 and I'm just stockpiling my footage as I have a ton of 24, 60, and 120fps footage to edit. I have R5II's now so I'm interested in learning more about shooting in clog2 and how to expose. I learned on the R5 to just expose on the meter between +1 and +2 with a vari-ND and the footage all looks great. I stick to the 180-degree shutter rule. The new cameras have tools like wave form and false color and I'm interested in learning what's best (or easiest) to use for exposure on the R5II. For starters, I just want to ensure my 3 custom functions are setup with 24, 60, and 120 fps properly in clog2, and then use my M for 8K raw settings.
For the sake of the thread it would be nice to see some videos linked here and note the following (for starters):
1. Body and lenses used
2. Frame rates used
3. Recording size used
4. Video format used
4. Video editing software used or special Luts
Any other helpful information like types of ND filters, gimbals, tripods/heads, cages, monitors, microphones, used etc would also be helpful. I guess audio and editing are two other massive discussions that are relevant but I think most newbies want to get the video settings down first before they dive into the audio and editing departments. I personally don't use accessories right now as I just want to be able to shoot with the camera/lens before I get caught up in the rigs/mics/monitors/etc later.
Anything video is welcome, including links to helpful YouTube tutorials for specific Canon cameras, editing, audio, lighting, etc.
p.1 #2 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
I'm a noob to video as my old 7D took terrible videos in the late 2000s and then put the hobby down for a while. Got back into the game last year with the R6ii but honestly was mostly lost as I was focusing on re-learning the stills side of things. Started shooting more video in early 2024 after the birth of my BFF's first child but sadly to protect privacy I won't be sharing those videos. But I learned a lot following a toddler around after he learned to crawl and now walk. Nothing tests IBIS like a child lol. Specifically traded in my R6ii for an R5ii for CLog2 and 8K video--which I have now learned is too much of a storage drain so I'm primarily using the 4K Fine mode. I believe Canon states that the 4K resolutions with "Fine" in the name means it's oversampled from 8K as opposed to subsampled. Here's generally where I landed and why (note these are R5mkII settings, and will differ with other models). Also this is for "everyday/travel shooting". Not for special things like slow motion birds in flight or action shots. Also if something is super important to you (or your subject/client) and it's not a super long clip, I'll use the highest resolution 8K available and RAW and deal with the size later. But if it's like the first steps of a child, etc. and I want to capture it in 8K RAW, it be what it is.
Resolution: 4K-U Fine - I use U instead of D because all my home 4K TVs and Monitors are 3840x2160 (4K-D is 4096x2160)
Frame Rate: 29.97. Yes I'm a film fan and I know 24fps (or 23.98) is more "filmic" but for some reason, my eye likes 29.97 on my videos. Maybe if I'm ever commissioned to shoot an actual film for distribution I'll go to 24fps.
Compression method: Long GOP (LGOP). This is mostly due to the limitations of the codec I've decided to use, namely...
Main recording format (codec): XF-HEVC S YCC 422 10 bit - yes it's a newer codec and may not play nice with older hardware. But both my PC and Mac platforms are very current and have zero problem playing and editing this codec, and the file size savings due to the improved compression is a godsend. But using HEVC will limit you to LGOP.
And most importantly: Canon Log 2. I shot a few videos on my R6ii in CLog3 and even a rank amateur like me can tell you CLog2 is a way better format. I was hesitant at first shelling out the extra cash for an R5ii but upon shooting with CLog2 I can say it was money well spent.
Here's a short clip of the outdoors of the Norton Simon museum. This clip was in HEVC 422 at 3840x2160. I may or may not have known about Fine being the oversampled so I can't swear if it was 4K-U Fine or just 4K-U. I used the standard Canon LUT available from their site and it's called "CinemaGamut_CanonLog2-to-BT709_WideDR_65_FF_Ver.2.0" as a starting point and then light tweaking of saturation, contrast, highlights, shadows etc. to make the stitched clips match better.
This clip Shot on the R5ii with the 35 1.4L VCM. I'm most proud of the last 15 seconds or so when I go from the plants to the water to the trees and the sun setting behind it as I had to hand adjust the aperture using the smooth ring on the 35 VCM (which is why I'm glad they have it smooth, I can just use the back dial if I want steps) so that it didn't get blown out as I panned up and to the left. I did a manual test run without recording to get a feel in the OVF of how I'd have to adjust the aperture ring as I panned.
Obviously for best viewing results, watch the clip on YouTube proper, full screen and select 4K resolution if YT doesn't do it automatically for you.
I should also add: all handheld, on camera mic (museum won't allow a pro style setup), and Camera IBIS on (VCM has no IS) but Digital IS is OFF. If I need something to be super stable, I'll buy a gimbal before resorting to Digital IS cropping/resolution loss.
p.1 #3 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
My latest video. Canon R5 MKII RF200-800 with RF1.4X. High Speed 119.96fps (puts it on a 29.97 timeline so 1/4 speed.XF HEVC S YCC 4:2:2 2k( by mistake, meant to be in 4k but set it wrong). Edited in DaVinci Resolve Studio.
p.1 #4 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Carlo_M wrote:
I'm a noob to video as my old 7D took terrible videos in the late 2000s and then put the hobby down for a while. Got back into the game last year with the R6ii but honestly was mostly lost as I was focusing on re-learning the stills side of things. Started shooting more video in early 2024 after the birth of my BFF's first child but sadly to protect privacy I won't be sharing those videos. But I learned a lot following a toddler around after he learned to crawl and now walk. Nothing tests IBIS like a child lol. Specifically traded in my R6ii for an R5ii for CLog2 and 8K video--which I have now learned is too much of a storage drain so I'm primarily using the 4K Fine mode. I believe Canon states that the 4K resolutions with "Fine" in the name means it's oversampled from 8K as opposed to subsampled. Here's generally where I landed and why (note these are R5mkII settings, and will differ with other models). Also this is for "everyday/travel shooting". Not for special things like slow motion birds in flight or action shots. Also if something is super important to you (or your subject/client) and it's not a super long clip, I'll use the highest resolution 8K available and RAW and deal with the size later. But if it's like the first steps of a child, etc. and I want to capture it in 8K RAW, it be what it is.
Resolution: 4K-U Fine - I use U instead of D because all my home 4K TVs and Monitors are 3840x2160 (4K-D is 4096x2160)
Frame Rate: 29.97. Yes I'm a film fan and I know 24fps (or 23.98) is more "filmic" but for some reason, my eye likes 29.97 on my videos. Maybe if I'm ever commissioned to shoot an actual film for distribution I'll go to 24fps.
Compression method: Long GOP (LGOP). This is mostly due to the limitations of the codec I've decided to use, namely...
Main recording format (codec): XF-HEVC S YCC 422 10 bit - yes it's a newer codec and may not play nice with older hardware. But both my PC and Mac platforms are very current and have zero problem playing and editing this codec, and the file size savings due to the improved compression is a godsend. But using HEVC will limit you to LGOP.
And most importantly: Canon Log 2. I shot a few videos on my R6ii in CLog3 and even a rank amateur like me can tell you CLog2 is a way better format. I was hesitant at first shelling out the extra cash for an R5ii but upon shooting with CLog2 I can say it was money well spent.
Here's a short clip of the outdoors of the Norton Simon museum. This clip was in HEVC 422 at 3840x2160. I may or may not have known about Fine being the oversampled so I can't swear if it was 4K-U Fine or just 4K-U. I used the standard Canon LUT available from their site and it's called "CinemaGamut_CanonLog2-to-BT709_WideDR_65_FF_Ver.2.0" as a starting point and then light tweaking of saturation, contrast, highlights, shadows etc. to make the stitched clips match better.
This clip Shot on the R5ii with the 35 1.4L VCM. I'm most proud of the last 15 seconds or so when I go from the plants to the water to the trees and the sun setting behind it as I had to hand adjust the aperture using the smooth ring on the 35 VCM (which is why I'm glad they have it smooth, I can just use the back dial if I want steps) so that it didn't get blown out as I panned up and to the left. I did a manual test run without recording to get a feel in the OVF of how I'd have to adjust the aperture ring as I panned.
Obviously for best viewing results, watch the clip on YouTube proper, full screen and select 4K resolution if YT doesn't do it automatically for you.
I should also add: all handheld, on camera mic (museum won't allow a pro style setup), and Camera IBIS on (VCM has no IS) but Digital IS is OFF. If I need something to be super stable, I'll buy a gimbal before resorting to Digital IS cropping/resolution loss....Show more →
I think the 24p vs 30p is a never ending debate and it comes down to personal preference. I decided to go with 24p, specifically 24 vs 23.98 and I'm not sure what the difference between those two are so if someone can confirm if 23.98 is preferred over 24 and why, that would be great.
As for resolution, I chose 4K-D fine because I like black bars, and if not the edges can always be cropped to match the 3840x2160 if needed. At least, I believe this is the case but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
You didn't mention what software you use to edit, but it looks like you could eventually benefit from stabilization in post like everyone else does. Unless I understand your statement above to not want to stabilize in post due to some resolution loss?
p.1 #5 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
dj63401 wrote:
My latest video. Canon R5 MKII RF200-800 with RF1.4X. High Speed 119.96fps (puts it on a 29.97 timeline so 1/4 speed.XF HEVC S YCC 4:2:2 2k( by mistake, meant to be in 4k but set it wrong). Edited in DaVinci Resolve Studio.
Very cool, nice work. And your post brings up another question about frame rate. If I shoot a ton of 4K 120, will it not blend well with my 24p footage based on your 29.97 timeline comment? I understand 30/60/120 frame rates all jive well together, but I prefer to shoot 24p for a more cinematic look in some scenes. So is this going to cause problems when I learn to edit some day?
This is exactly why I started this thread as it becomes very confusing to newbies.
p.1 #6 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
artsupreme wrote:
Very cool, nice work. And your post brings up another question about frame rate. If I shoot a ton of 4K 120, will it not blend well with my 24p footage based on your 29.97 timeline comment? I understand 30/60/120 frame rates all jive well together, but I prefer to shoot 24p for a more cinematic look in some scenes. So is this going to cause problems when I learn to edit some day?
This is exactly why I started this thread as it becomes very confusing to newbies.
artsupreme,
Thank You! I "think" the 29.97 VS: 30 fps is US VS some other countries. Something electrical or something as to how they are broadcast. I "think" you can slow your 120 fps down to 24, something about if you can divide evenly. The nice thing on using the high frame rate in camera is it automatically slows it down. You can always speed it back up if wanted or needed.
Dave
p.1 #7 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
dj63401 wrote:
artsupreme,
Thank You! I "think" the 29.97 VS: 30 fps is US VS some other countries. Something electrical or something as to how they are broadcast. I "think" you can slow your 120 fps down to 24, something about if you can divide evenly. The nice thing on using the high frame rate in camera is it automatically slows it down. You can always speed it back up if wanted or needed.
Dave
Yep, 4K 120 is what made me fall in love with video on the old R5, so I have a ton of it from over the years.
How proficient are you in resolve? Just know the basics or fairly advanced?
p.1 #9 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
You didn't mention what software you use to edit, but it looks like you could eventually benefit from stabilization in post like everyone else does. Unless I understand your statement above to not want to stabilize in post due to some resolution loss?
My bad - I'm using Premiere Pro. Luckily my workplace has an enterprise wide license for Adobe CC so that's what I'm using. If something is really shaky, I will use the stabilization in Premiere, but yes my point about not using Canon's Digital IS (on top of the IBIS and any in lens IS) is that it crops in and I'm sure that results in a resolution loss which would defeat the whole using 4K Fine (whether D or U) setting.
Don't get me wrong though, if I want to capture something quick, dirty and stable, where ultimate resolution isn't a priority, and I don't have a gimbal or other stabilization hardware with me, I will slap on Digital IS and deal with it.
But that's where I'm super happy with the R5ii IBIS - all of the clips in that montage were handheld with the 35 VCM which has no IS, so that's all thanks to the IBIS.
p.1 #10 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
This next clip is from a now closed exhibit at the Getty called Lumen. This was on the R5ii with the RF 24-70 2.8L IS USM. It starts with a struggled focus pull and the exhibit was so dark you'll see the AF struggle at times.
It was actually during this visit, and shooting these clips in particular, that made me go out and buy the 35 VCM a day or two later. Sadly this was the day the Lumen exhibit closed so I was unable to back and see how the 35 VCM would have performed in the same conditions.
Special note. Technically the R5ii isn't a true dual native ISO. But online testers have shown that the image cleans up dramatically at ISO 4000 so it's referred to as an "unadvertised second base ISO". These clips were shot at ISO 4000.
And a beachy short and quick cut with that and a couple other things (sorry, no sound on this one):
All on R5 Mark II and either RF 24-70 F2.8 L or RF 70-200 F2.8 L
Tripod mounted (Ulanzi Zero Y travel tripod)
4K-D Fine
24 FPS
XF AVC S 4:2:2
Intra High
C-Log 2
some quick grading in Resolve
p.1 #12 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
One from today. Mostly leaves, plants, trees swaying in the wind and picking up or breaking up the light in nice ways.
Same settings as previous video but all handheld as opposed to tripod mounted.
You’ll notice the dreaded Canon IS wobble made its way into that last shot. I was holding the camera at an awkward low angle, making my hand a bit shaky. I guess the IS tried its best to counteract that but the resulting edge wobble is almost as distracting as pure camera shake.
I know it’s more dramatic when shooting wider focal lengths (this was at 24mm). This was with digital IS off. Only the mechanical IS from body + 24-70 F2.8 L. Maybe the digital IS would’ve made things a little smoother at the cost of some cropping.
p.1 #13 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
n8rv wrote:
One from today. Mostly leaves, plants, trees swaying in the wind and picking up or breaking up the light in nice ways.
Same settings as previous video but all handheld as opposed to tripod mounted.
You’ll notice the dreaded Canon IS wobble made its way into that last shot. I was holding the camera at an awkward low angle, making my hand a bit shaky. I guess the IS tried its best to counteract that but the resulting edge wobble is almost as distracting as pure camera shake.
I know it’s more dramatic when shooting wider focal lengths (this was at 24mm). This was with digital IS off. Only the mechanical IS from body + 24-70 F2.8 L. Maybe the digital IS would’ve made things a little smoother at the cost of some cropping. ...Show more →
This link does not work. The 2 videos above do play, but this latest one does not. Might be set to private. When posting this it now works from my post.
p.1 #15 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
dj63401 wrote:
This link does not work. The 2 videos above do play, but this latest one does not. Might be set to private. When posting this it now works from my post.
I think it's these weird abbreviated links you get from the mobile app. Just updated the link with a full one and hopefully it works.
p.1 #16 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
@artsupreme you asked about peripherals, and when I decide to kit it out for video this is what I use (sometimes I only use pieces of it, sometimes I use the whole kit)
Smallrig Black Mamba cage
Smallrig rotatable side handle
Smallrig top handle
Røde VideoMic Pro+
Atomos Shinobi II monitor (touch to focus supported on R1, R5mkII, R6mkII & R7)
The top and side handle make it really easy for me to hold it at odd angles, and having the Atomos monitor mounted at the top handle (or side handle if needed) lets me angle its screen easily for me to see what's going on while holding it at those awkward angels. With touch to focus support I can change focus via the Atomos vs. having to use the touchscreen or the joystick, which obviously is extremely difficult/impossible when holding the camera at those low/awkward angles. Even at regular angles, having the side handle can make me hold the camera more steadily than just the body/lens combo.
The Røde is obviously superior to the internal mic, and tends to be able to avoid picking up all but the loudest focusing motor sounds, but obviously is still inferior to hooking up lav mics to your subjects or using boom mics. But I have yet to need that level of pro recording, so the Røde does wonders to improve sound over the onboard mic. But it's still a shotgun mic and won't work miracles, the further away a subject is, it's still going to suffer from lower volumes due to distance to subject (unless they're shouting at you lol).
p.1 #18 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
artsupreme wrote:
I'm not sure how many people here are interested in video but I figured I would start a video thread to see if it gains any traction.
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Anything video is welcome, including links to helpful YouTube tutorials for specific Canon cameras, editing, audio, lighting, etc.
Hi artsupreme,
It's very nice to see this new thread - thanks for started it.
I've been doing wildlife videos for the last couple of years with an R5 and the RF100-500 and more recently the RF200-800. I did similar videos with the Nikon D500 prior to that.
I look forward to participating and learning.
Cheers,
Rudy
p.1 #19 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
A small clip of dad feeding his eaglets. Looks like chicken is on the menu. I used the Canon R3 with the Canon 800mm f5.6 + 1.4x extender. Shot in 6k raw lite. I used premiere pro for the editing. Tripod mounted.
