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I hope this was OK to do, but I took the liberty of providing some relevant info about what I do when it comes to wildlife video and how and why I do it.

Why I do wildlife videos.
Ever since I was 5 years old I have always loved being in nature and have always been fascinated by wildlife. Nature programs on TV were my favourite shows and David Attenborough's programs were at the top of my list. My passion for nature led me to do an undergraduate degree in Science (Biology) and various other pursuits along the way.

Photo-video background.
I bought my first SLR camera in 1970 and have been an avid photographer ever since. I began doing wildlife photography about 15 years ago and have loved every minute of it. I would place myself solidly in the "fanatic" camp.

Three-and-a-half years ago I felt I needed a new challenge and decided to give wildlife video a try with my Nikon D500 and the AF200-500/5.6 lens. Most things were good, but the lack of AF tracking eventually became a frustration. Seeing the dismal state of Nikon's AF tracking in their Z camera's for the previous 3-4 years I began to research other brands and in October 2022 I bought the Canon R5 and the RF100-500 lens. Since buying the R5 I have done 80% video and 20% still images.

Main Objectives
1 - When doing wildlife videos my main objectives are to shoot, edit and narrate my videos in such a way that they tell an interesting, engaging story about the subject(s)' life/lives and their behaviours. I'm essentially a story-teller, and I love David Attenborouh's presentations and in my own small, amateurish way I like to try to emulate his approach.
2 - To get the best possible image and audio quality that I can achieve with my current equipment and level of experience.

Main Priorities.
1 - Keeping things simple.
This is a guiding principle for me. For example, I did quite a bit of reading and personal hands-on research into the costs and benefits of shooting in Log verses in regular 8-bit. There's a lot to consider, but given my use cases I concluded that shooting in Log was not needed and not worth it for me, at least not while I was just learning the craft. If I were shooting people, where getting correct skin tones is essential, there's no question that I would shoot in Log. Also, if I were a pro and had to deliver video products to clients on high-quality media, as opposed to simply displaying my videos on youTube (which crunches the h*ll out of everything) and most people watch on smart phones anyway, I would shoot in Log. I used the same reasoning for why I shoot in 4K, but edit and export on a 1080p timeline.

(Update re Log: I've experimented somewhat with C-Log3 and I like the richer colours it seems to give rather than the straight 8-bit files and I think when I have some time this coming year I'll try to do more of it. One reason I haven't been using Log is because the free version of Resolve won't open Canon's Log files directly so I need to transcode all of them to Rec709 before editing. I just bought a 2TB SSD which makes this transcoding much faster, so I'm actually looking forward to doing more Log stuff.

Recent Update: I recently bought Davinci Resolve Studio at a great sale price and now shoot Canon C-log3 exclusively.)

2 - Keeping within my limited budget.
A modest, limited budget is without a doubt my most limiting factor. If I had more funds available I would, without hesitation, buy more and better stuff.

My Gear
Camera: Canon R5
Lenses: Canon RF100-500 L, RF200-800, RF50/1.8, RF1.4x (RF50/1.8 is great for B-roll and hand-held sloMo wide pans for establishing shots)
Camera mounted Mic: Rode VideoMicro (Advantages - cheap and doesn't need a separate battery - keepin' it simple)
T- mounting bracket for the mic. Puts the mic on the left side so it doesn't pick up lens noise.
Tripod - a super heavy and very tall Benro (I don't use the center post because of too much vibration)
Head - Manfrotto 502 AH (wish list - Sachtler high quality system)
Mic for recording narrations: I use a Samson Q2U Dynamic USB Microphone. It's inexpensive and picks up only your voice and not all the other ambient sounds in your room so you don't have to hang sound-dampening stuff all over your walls and ceiling.

Editing
I've been using Davinci Resolve (free version) for 2 1/2 years. I spend about 20 hours a week working in it and I love it. (Before retiring a few years ago, my wife and I owned a small digital design company for almost 30 years. For 3 of those years we did corporate videos for clients and I used Adobe Premier Pro).

My computer:
Is a Dell XPS 8950 PC, Intel i7-12700 CPU, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB graphics card, 32 GB Ram (to be updated to 62GB RAM), 3TB SSDs, 2TB Sata HD.
My machine can edit 4K video on a 4k timeline but it labours a bit doing so. I have a much more pleasant editing experience if I edit and export my 4K footage on a 1080p timeline and it still looks half-decent when youTube is done with it. If I had the funds I would buy a honkin'- big/fast Mac system and a gorgeous 4K monitor, but I have to keep reminding myself that wildlife video for me is just a hobby.

(Update: February 10, 2025 - I did some upgrades to my computer and am now editing and exporting in 4K. Also recently bought a good quality 4K monitor.)

Video Formats
Like some of you have written above I fell in love with the 4K120 format the minute I saw it and it was one of the reasons I chose the R5.

I have my 3 video custom settings set this way:
C1 - 4K30 Fine (used when I'm close enough to the subject and it's not too windy - yields stunning image quality).
C2 - 4K60 crop (gives x1.6 extra effective reach, is down-sampled from 5.1K so it yields good quality, is used when subject is distant).
C3 - 4K120 (In addition to awesome slow-motion it smooths out wind shakes and jiggles so I use it on very windy days, it's also great for hand held shooting. Also 4K120 can be slowed down even further in post to emulate 240fps super-sloMo).
I edit on a 30fps timeline because that works well with all 3 formats listed above.

Audio Recording:
As everybody knows, I'm sure, getting decent audio recording conditions for outdoor wildlife videos is darn near impossible. Between wind noises, nearby people talking, dogs barking, kids crying, planes, trains and automobiles there's always something screwing up your audio. It becomes essential to learn how to edit, rehabilitate and enhance your audio track in post. I use a free audio editor called Audacity that does a great job, plus I use the powerful suite of audio-editing tools in Davinci Resolve, which are terrific. I've also built up a collection of bird and wildlife sounds relevant to my area around Ottawa that I use as Foley sounds when needed. When recording in 4K120, which doesn't record audio in the R5 (bummer), I try to remember to do some recording of the scene in a different video format in order to get the audio, and later I strip it out in Resolve and use that audio track under my 4K120 footage on the timeline.

Music:
Music for me is an important part of the overall audio-visual experience I am hoping to create. I use a variety of free music websites and keep a collection of good music on my hard drive for repeated use.


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Again, please excuse all the extra verbiage, it's just that I'm guessing people are going to want to ask me why I don't shoot in Log and why I don't edit and export in 4K and I thought I'd provide the answers up front.

Thanks again artsupreme for starting this thread.
Cheers,
Rudy


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Dec 29, 2024 at 11:36 AM
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Rudy Pohl wrote:
I hope this was OK to do, but I took the liberty of providing some relevant info about what I do when it comes to wildlife video and how and why I do it.

Why I do wildlife videos.
Ever since I was 5 years old I have always loved being in nature and have always been fascinated by wildlife. Nature programs on TV were my favourite and David Attenborough's programs were at the top of my list. My passion for nature led me to do an undergraduate degree in Science (Biology) and various other pursuits along the way.

Photo-video
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Nice Rudy, this is exactly what I'm looking for from any and all of the video guys here. I totally understand why you export in 1080p but at least you have the 4k footage in case you ever wanted to use 4K in the future.

I bought the Da Vinci Resolve Studio version that was on sale for Black Friday so I'll start gigging into it some day soon. I realize the free version is more than enough but I figured since it was discounted and they don't have a subscription plan then why not. I also have FCP on my Macs but I've seen a movement toward resolve in recent years.

As for not shooting in Log, I guess if you are achieving what you want then that's perfectly fine. I believe Log will just give you more DR and pliability with clips if you need it but also more work/rendering required.

I like the clip at 5:22 where that guy just swims at you and the camera nailed focus the whole way. For a clip like 7:05 were you manually focusing with the bird being behind the weeds, or did the camera stay on the bird without focusing on the weeds in front of it?

As for WB, I just usually set mine on daylight and forget about it. I'm wondering how much flexibility I would have in post as I think the only way to change WB in post is when shooting RAW? What are you doing for WB settings?

You got some great audio. What is your technique for adjusting levels/mic? I have a similar shotgun mic that has a dial on the back and I've only used it a couple times but I believe you are just supposed to adjust the gain to keep the peaks less than -12db, but I'm not sure and would like to know if there's an easy method of doing this to get consistent results and avoid distortion. And do you use a dead cat when outdoors at all times or only when it's windy? Or, just the foam mic cover?

I have this Deity V-Mic D3 Pro and I'm sure it's plenty good enough to capture what I need:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1448999-REG/deity_microphones_vmicd3pro_v_mic_d3_pro_directional.html

When you adjust your audio tracks in Resolve, is there an automated tool that does this or do you have to manually go in and lower the music track when you start talking over it?

Great work, keep it coming.



Dec 29, 2024 at 02:24 PM
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Hi artsupreme,

Whew, I'm so relieved that this is the kind of stuff you wanted. I feel really awkward about putting all this personal stuff and personal thinking out there. In fact, I was struggling so much since having done that that I decided to delete the whole thing hopefully before anyone had noticed it. When it got here, there was your great response... so I'm OK now.

I'll try to respond to your questions a little later today, but for now I thought I'd let you know that I just put an update addition under the Log section since you read my post. I wanted to send you a PM, but I'm still pretty new to FM and I don't know how to do that yet.

Rudy

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Rudy Pohl wrote:
Hi artsupreme,

Whew, I'm so relieved that this is the kind of stuff you wanted. I feel really awkward about putting all this personal stuff and personal thinking out there. In fact, I was struggling so much since having done that that I decided to delete the whole thing hopefully before anyone had noticed it. When it got here, there was your great response... so I'm OK now.

I'll try to respond to your questions a little later today, but for now I thought I'd let you know that I just put an update addition under the Log section since
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Don't sweat it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with your post and I enjoyed reading it. You might be surprised that many people might enjoy the personal background and intent you wrote above. I think a lot of people are similar in that they got bored shooting stills for many years and want a new challenge. This is exactly why I started shooting video, especially when I realized the gear is so capable now that it's possible to create some Nat Geo type of content with our little R5's.

This is only one little thread in a small forum, so anyone not interested in video won't be clicking on it. There's a handful of us so far so hopefully that's enough to keep things moving as I don't feel like joining another forum to learn about video. So yes, keep it coming, all of it



Dec 29, 2024 at 02:59 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
Nice Rudy, this is exactly what I'm looking for from any and all of the video guys here. I totally understand why you export in 1080p but at least you have the 4k footage in case you ever wanted to use 4K in the future.
Great work, keep it coming.


Q&A

Q: For a clip like 7:05 were you manually focusing with the bird being behind the weeds, or did the camera stay on the bird without focusing on the weeds in front of it?

A: The camera eventually lost focus on the bird, went blurry, and then reacquired focus shortly afterward. In post I cut out the bad part and replaced it with a B-roll wide pan of the pond while keeping the audio section intact.

Q: As for WB, I just usually set mine on daylight and forget about it. I'm wondering how much flexibility I would have in post as I think the only way to change WB in post is when shooting RAW? What are you doing for WB settings?

A: Adjusting WB is a breeze in Resolve. There are a couple of ways to do it and both are fast and excellent. Since WB is so easy to adjust in Resolve I always leave the WB on my R5 set to AWBw, (Auto White Balance - White Priority).

Qs: You got some great audio. What is your technique for adjusting levels/mic? I have a similar shotgun mic that has a dial on the back and I've only used it a couple times but I believe you are just supposed to adjust the gain to keep the peaks less than -12db, but I'm not sure and would like to know if there's an easy method of doing this to get consistent results and avoid distortion. And do you use a dead cat when outdoors at all times or only when it's windy? Or, just the foam mic cover?

As:
Levels - Like you, I set the Sound Recording in the RED1 menu to manual at -12db, never has distortion or other issues.
Dead cat - on calm days I never use a dead cat or foam. In very light wind I use the dead cat, anything beyond that the audio needs major work in Audacity or another audio editor to remove/reduce wind noise and salvage important animal/bird sounds. Davinci Resolve has a fabulous set of very powerful audio tools that can work wonders! It's the main reason why I continue to use the cheap mic I have because it does a decent enough job getting the basic audio recording and then I repair and enhance in post. Same with the narration audio, I use Resolve's EQ, Noise Reduction and other tools to enhance the tonal quality.

Q: When you adjust your audio tracks in Resolve, is there an automated tool that does this or do you have to manually go in and lower the music track when you start talking over it?

A: The process your describing is called "Ducking" in the trade where the music track is made "duck" under the narration track regarding the volume level. Yes, Davinci Resolve has an automated procedure to do that. I gave it a go once but far prefer to do it manually myself. It's pretty quick and easy to do.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Rudy



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This past spring I made this test video just to dabble with the R5. No neutral density filters, no log, aperture priority… 24-105 and the EF 85 1.8. All handheld.
Edited with iMovie, before I learned a bit of daVinci Resolve over the summer.
Blown highlights everywhere because I did not know how to shoot log yet, but I learned a bunch ;-)

https://www.instagram.com/p/C72Ndydv_F-/



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Rudy Pohl wrote:
Q&A

A: The camera eventually lost focus on the bird, went blurry, and then reacquired focus shortly afterward. In post I cut out the bad part and replaced it with a B-roll wide pan of the pond while keeping the audio section intact.

A: Adjusting WB is a breeze in Resolve. There are a couple of ways to do it and both are fast and excellent. Since WB is so easy to adjust in Resolve I always leave the WB on my R5 set to AWBw, (Auto White Balance - White Priority).



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Levels - Like you, I set the Sound
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Thanks a lot, this is great information. Also glad to hear resolve has an audio tool that can repair/enhance audio. I just spent some time on a boat in Indonesia and I took a lot of clips while moving and there was minor wind noise, so it will be interesting to see if this can be removed.

AS for WB, you obviously have your workflow dialed but wouldn't most video guys say leaving it in AWB might not be a good idea because the camera could change from clip to clip and create more work in PP? I'm okay with AWB in photo mode, but I thought you were supposed to set it for video to get consistency between clips.

"Ducking"....thanks, I learned a new term today. I've done this with audio clips in iMovie and FCP but never knew it was called ducking.

Thanks



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artsupreme wrote:
Thanks a lot, this is great information. Also glad to hear resolve has an audio tool that can repair/enhance audio. I just spent some time on a boat in Indonesia and I took a lot of clips while moving and there was minor wind noise, so it will be interesting to see if this can be removed.

As for WB, you obviously have your workflow dialed but wouldn't most video guys say leaving it in AWB might not be a good idea because the camera could change from clip to clip and create more work in PP? I'm okay with AWB
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Re White Balance:
My approach to WB for video falls under my Main Priorities #1 - Keeping things simple. I find the auto white balancing for video in the R5 to be pretty good, I never end up with weird colour casts, etc. So leaving it on AWBw relieves me of one more thing to think about. And in post my workflow always includes doing a WB on each clip anyway. It can be done in seconds with one click of the mouse and is consistent every time. If one really needs to faniggle with it there's a way to do it in the Curves tool that takes 3 mouse clicks. Then there's the Vectorscope method, also good. Anyways, I'm not saying people shouldn't do what the pros recommend - they surely should, I'm just saying that this seems to work for me. However, you've got me thinking now, so I'll be playing with it shortly. Thanks.
Rudy

Update: I just Goggled youTube on the topic "Why you shouldn't use Auto-WB for video" and I watched a few videos. Yep, sure enough, everybody says "don't do it." One pro says you don't need to get your WB perfect in camera, but what you need to aim for is getting it close. So here's the thing: my R5, as far as I can tell, always gets the WB pretty close. The additional little tweak needed is done in post. Anyways, works for me, but I'll keep digging into the issue. Like Red Green the ultimate Canadian Red Neck (the duck tape guy) always said at the end of his show leading the guys in the "Men's Prayer"... "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to."

Thanks.



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Trying again!

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It worked! Thanks Rudy Pohl! I'm afraid to touch the above post.


A bit about the above video; Canon R5, 100-500. 4K-30. I edited this in a Premiere Pro in a 1080P timeline. This allows me to zoom in a bit.

Regarding the sound. There was so much background noise I deleted it and added some music. Truth be told, I really don't have a good method to record wildlife sound.



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Dilemma wrote:
It worked! Thanks Rudy Pohl! I'm afraid to touch the above post.

A bit about the above video; Canon R5, 100-500. 4K-30. I edited this in a Premiere Pro in a 1080P timeline. This allows me to zoom in a bit.

Regarding the sound. There was so much background noise I deleted it and added some music. Truth be told, I really don't have a good method to record wildlife sound.


Well, hopefully you can learn from some of the guys here. I've already learned there are good editing tools that can eliminate things like wind and foreign noise, so that's a start. I'm sure a simple shotgun mic like Rudy uses will be sufficient.



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I have both, a Rode Videomic Pro+ shotgun mic and a Tascam X6 field recorder. I decided to leave the shotgun mic at home in favor of just bringing the field recorder on this trip. I now know that was a mistake.

Audio from the field recorder is fantastic - but it’s such a hassle having to sync audio to video while I’m on the go and trying to grade + edit quickly, that so far I’ve just chosen to roll with the built in camera audio, which of course isn’t the best.

Since it is all just ambient nature sounds, I’m sure it would be fine to slap on any bit of audio captured by the field recorder without worrying about sync. But it’s still a few extra steps I could be saving if I just had better audio from the shotgun mic going directly into the video file.

I think the field recorder is still a good idea for a more thoughtful, planned out recording session, some foley work, etc. as long as one doesn’t mind spending some time syncing things up in post. For faster, on the go, ambient stuff, I think a shotgun mic is the most straightforward solution.



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Atomos Shinobi II monitor (touch to focus supported on R1, R5mkII, R6mkII & R7)

The top and side handle make it really easy for me to hold it at odd angles, and having the Atomos monitor mounted at the top handle (or side handle if needed) lets me angle its screen easily for me to see what's going on while holding it at those awkward angels. With touch to focus support I can change focus via the Atomos vs. having to use the touchscreen or the joystick, which obviously is extremely difficult/impossible when holding the camera at those low/awkward angles. Even
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Are you happy with the Shinobi II? Currently I have a cheaper Viltrox DC-X2, which has decent build quality but a somewhat clunky UI and the color reproduction doesn’t feel super accurate. I’ve been considering the Shinobi II as an alternative.



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Are you happy with the Shinobi II? Currently I have a cheaper Viltrox DC-X2, which has decent build quality but a somewhat clunky UI and the color reproduction doesn’t feel super accurate. I’ve been considering the Shinobi II as an alternative.


I am happy with it but keep in mind this is my first external camera monitor of any kind so I am in no position to compare it to other makes and models. When I let the Atomos "legalize" the CLog2 output to it, the colors seem fairly accurate, once you select Canon Canon Log2 and BT.709 as the parameters.

If you're deciding between brands and models, I'd definitely do some extra research as I'm not an expert on external monitors. Good luck!



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Carlo_M wrote:
I am happy with it but keep in mind this is my first external camera monitor of any kind so I am in no position to compare it to other makes and models. When I let the Atomos "legalize" the CLog2 output to it, the colors seem fairly accurate, once you select Canon Canon Log2 and BT.709 as the parameters.

If you're deciding between brands and models, I'd definitely do some extra research as I'm not an expert on external monitors. Good luck!


How do you like it in direct sunlight? The biggest problem I have with shooting video with my R6 is that I can't see the screen most of the time in the daytime.



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How do you like it in direct sunlight? The biggest problem I have with shooting video with my R6 is that I can't see the screen most of the time in the daytime.

I've used it on sunny days with no complaints, it's plenty bright. It's way easier to see in bright conditions where the rear LCD becomes difficult to see.

But if you're asking if I've ever used it with the sun directly shining on it/reflecting onto my eyes...nope haven't tried that and it doesn't have one of those matte/antiglare finishes on it like the upscaled, top tier, custom option Macbook Pros and iPad Pros.



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One minute video. Keep in mind this is all part of my learning process. Good, bad and ugLY!

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One minute video. Keep in mind this is all part of my learning process. Good, bad and ugLY!

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Looked and sounded good!




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One minute video. Keep in mind this is all part of my learning process. Good, bad and ugLY!


Hi Dilemma,

A very good video technically in my opinion, and pretty cool too . The colours and the skin tones look very good to me, especially considering the blue light in the background. The audio is nice and clear and the whole thing sounds good to me (nice guitar too!). I like it.

Would you mind sharing a bit about the gear and recording formats you used?

Thanks for sharing,
Rudy






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Would you mind sharing a bit about the gear and recording formats you used?

Thanks for sharing,
Rudy



Thanks Rudy.



I used an R5 with a 15-35 f/2.8 lens. 4K- 24, IPB. I set the white balance on the camera to match the Neewer led light panel @ 5500K. The blue light was actually a gel over a second Neewer light.

As for sound, I had a Rode Videomic pushed up to the speaker grill of my amp. I set the audio levels on the camera one click from off and it was still clipping so I turned down the amp and moved the mic further away.

I didn't shoot this in Log-3 since my color grading skills are pretty weak. For whatever reason, my facial skin looked terrible. It looked red and blotchy which it's really not. I did the best I could in the HSL Secondary panel in Premiere. It's better but still somewhat off.

Once again, I edited and exported in a 1080P timeline. This gives me some zoom room.




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