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Dilemma wrote:
Thanks Rudy.



I used an R5 with a 15-35 f/2.8 lens. 4K- 24, IPB. I set the white balance on the camera to match the Neewer led light panel @ 5500K. The blue light was actually a gel over a second Neewer light.

As for sound, I had a Rode Videomic pushed up to the speaker grill of my amp. I set the audio levels on the camera one click from off and it was still clipping so I turned down the amp and moved the mic further away.

I didn't shoot this in Log-3 since my color
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Hi Dilemma,

Thanks for sharing this info. Excuse me for saying that the skin tones look good in the video when in fact it did a terrible job rendering your facial skin... whoops, my bad. Then again, what do I know? As a wildlife guy I only do birds and animals, not people. Anyways, we're all learning this stuff and I nevertheless really enjoyed your music video.

Cheers and keep 'em coming!
Rudy



Dec 30, 2024 at 10:25 PM
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These hybrids are so intimidating. Kudos to you all for being able to utilizie all of it.


Dec 30, 2024 at 11:56 PM
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Catherina wrote:
These hybrids are so intimidating. Kudos to you all for being able to utilizie all of it.


Jump in with us and learn. The actual shooting part is not bad at all, in fact it's pretty easy with it being set-and-forget settings other than worrying about exposure. The difficult part is getting the camera setup right as there's numerous options for video recording with the different codecs, formats, resolution, frame rates, etc. Once setup the shooting stage is pretty easy with a simple Vari-ND filter to adjust exposure. And IMO, the most intimidating piece to me is learning a new video editing software because of limited time and so many options/features to choose from. But that's why we are here, so follow along and join the club.



Dec 31, 2024 at 12:10 AM
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Jump in with us and learn. The actual shooting part is not bad at all, in fact it's pretty easy with it being set-and-forget settings other than worrying about exposure. The difficult part is getting the camera setup right as there's numerous options for video recording with the different codecs, formats, resolution, frame rates, etc. Once setup the shooting stage is pretty easy with a simple Vari-ND filter to adjust exposure. And IMO, the most intimidating piece to me is learning a new video editing software because of limited time and so many options/features to choose from. But that's why
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I've shot a couple videos in the past, but it was pure luck if they turned out viewable. After recently realizing that I was enjoying wildlife videos even more that wildlife photos posted on social media (e.g Nextdoor) I've started shooting more video, but I also find the video settings intimidating (I did manage to figure out how to shoot at 128 fps on my Canon R3 so I could play back some hummingbird videos in slow motion). Does anyone have some recommendations for training materials (videos, websites, books, etc.) to help understand the "numerous options for video recording with the different codecs, formats, resolution, frame rates, etc." as well as video post-processing (e.g. what is color grading)? I assume some of it is specific to a camera model or camera brand, but I'm guessing there are concepts and principle that apply broadly. For those of us that are familiar with still photography, something that explained video concepts using analogies with still photography concepts (e.g. the exposure triangle, white balance, rules of composition, etc.) would be ideal.



Dec 31, 2024 at 12:44 AM
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I've shot a couple videos in the past, but it was pure luck if they turned out viewable. After recently realizing that I was enjoying wildlife videos even more that wildlife photos posted on social media (e.g Nextdoor) I've started shooting more video, but I also find the video settings intimidating (I did manage to figure out how to shoot at 128 fps on my Canon R3 so I could play back some hummingbird videos in slow motion). Does anyone have some recommendations for training materials (videos, websites, books, etc.) to help understand the "numerous options for video recording with
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I'm no expert which is why I started this thread....but, I believe I do have good base going and I've sifted through most of the setup process. Here's some things to consider before you get your camera setup, assuming you want to start shooting in 4K:

1. Decide whether you want to shoot 24fps or 30fps for your slowest frame rate option. 24fps is the standard for cinema that our eyes are used to seeing at the movie theater and 30fps is more for broadcast television. There is a never ending debate as to which one is better, so it's personal preference.
2. Once you decide on that, I would suggest setting up your 3 custom functions for the three different frame rates you would use in the field, which to me are 24, 60, and 120. 24fps is for your cinematic shots that produce natural motion blur, 60fps can be slowed down for slow motion and has a faster SS if needed, and then 120fps is for super slow motion which is a great option for wildlife and fast moving things.
3. You should follow the 180 degree shutter rule, which means your shutter speed is set and forget for each custom shooting mode. For example, if you decided on 24p you would set SS to 1/50th, 60p would be 1/125th, and 120p will be 1/250th. And these are set forever unless you don't want to follow the 180 degree rule.
4. Your WB should also be set and forget to "daylight" or whatever the scene is, so again, another set and forget for each shoot.

With that said, once your frame rate is set, your SS is set, your WB is set, then all you have to worry about is exposure. So the only two things you are controlling while video'ing are your aperture and ND filter. I often shoot wide open or very near, so my aperture is also usually set and forget. That leaves me with only having to worry about the ND filter to control exposure. So as complex as shooting video sounds, all I've had to worry about for the last several years when shooting with the R5 is turning my Vari-ND flier on the front to set my exposure for the scene, and that's it. It's that simple. And for the R5, it was always between +1 and +2 on the meter for Clog3.

Once you get your camera settings sorted out (which will be based on how much you are worried about file size), those will also be set and forget. So then you are simply left to decide which frame rate you are going to use for a scene, select that custom function mode, choose your aperture, and then you are left with the ND filter being your only concern for exposure.

Now, with that said, some people could say screw all that, just use auto mode and break the 180 degree rule and forget about ND filters, etc. So it comes down to how deep you want to dive in.

I'm sure someone could explain the differences in video quality/format/etc but I'm not the person for that as I don't care to know about the differences. I only care about recording the best possible quality and once that is set it never changes. Kind of like choosing RAW, vs jpeg or cRAW. I shoot cRAW for stills and that hasn't changed since the R5 was released. So my video settings have also been set for many years and I never have to change them.

So now I'm just left with learning the editing process...



Dec 31, 2024 at 01:30 AM
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With regards to whether to choose 24, 30 or higher fps, and I say this as someone who when I buy a new TV the first thing I do is turn off the "Soap Opera Effect"-aka anything that adds frame smoothing and brings programming up to the panel's native refresh rate (usually 120hz): I'm not wedded to 24fps even though I insist on seeing my movies at home at that frame rate (assuming they were shot at 24fps).

The reason? There's a bit more to getting that Hollywood filmic look than just being at 24fps. There's the professional level of color grading that they do, they way cinematographers painstakingly light their sets (and set exposure) to give it that "movie" look. The types of lenses they use to give different DoF than what most of us are using in our setups. So to me, I'm not wedded to shooting 24fps since none of my footage is ever going to look like a motion picture (not even a cheap indie studio one haha). If I'm shooting vacation, nature, slow moving wildlife, museums, etc. I'm going to opt for either 30 or 60fps (depends on how much memory I want to burn lol). If I'm shooting something fast moving, I'll either opt for the higher fps like 60, and consider also doing some slow motion shots at 120fps for dramatic effect.

With regards to the video quality/format, if you want absolute quality, you'll shoot in 8K or 4K RAW (or cRAW). The problem with that? Better invest in multiple 2TB CFExpress cards, and either the cooling grip, or don't plan on taking more than 20-30 minute clips at a time before the R5ii overheats. Oh, and start investing in a massive NAS because your resulting RAW 8K (and even 4K) footage is going to be huge. Also if your using (c)RAW, you better be displaying it straight from your NAS/PC as your source because if you're primary means of playing and sharing that video is through YouTube/Vimeo/etc. you are really wasting your disk space because all those online services down-rez all videos.

Assuming you don't want to shoot in (c)RAW because you don't want terabyte sized projects, then the choice you're left with is HEVC vs AVC (I will also choose 10 bit for the improved color bit depth, and 422--or more commonly 4:2:2--reads more color information than 420 (4:2:0).

This is a really good primer on HEVC vs. AVC

Assuming you've got a decently powerful PC built in the last 3-5 years, it should be able to handle HEVC. I tested on an original M1 13" Macbook Pro from around 2020, which was their lowest end MBP build at the time, and it handles HEVC just fine. As long as your PC can handle manipulating the HEVC files, that is the way I choose to go. Equal or better compression quality at nearly half the file size.

The thing to remember is that most people watch movies in regular speed. They don't pause and zoom in and pixel peep (and come to think of it, they don't do that for photos either, but we do). So as long as the codec isn't a pixelated, noisy mess, any of the codecs Canon is giving us as an option will be nearly indistinguishable to 99% of the audience we will show our videos to. The plethora of options is more geared towards those who make money from these videos/movies, especially the 8K and RAW options as professionals likely have (or have access to) very large storage arrays and powerful computers to work with the large file sizes.



Dec 31, 2024 at 05:00 AM
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any of the codecs Canon is giving us as an option will be nearly indistinguishable to 99% of the audience we will show our videos to.
I couldn't agree more. I've tried all of them on my R5 and unless you're pixel peeping, zoomed in to 200% it'll be tough to tell one from another.

As for frame rates, I don't see much difference between 24 and 30. I wouldn't go so far as saying they're indistinguishable - but they're indistinguishable. I doubt anyone looked at my guitar video and thought; that'd be way better if it was shot at 30 rather than 24. 60 on the other hand does look a bit different but it allows you to slow the footage down. It also bumps your shutter speed up if you're following the 180 degree rule which *can* be an issue if you're running out of light.

I stumbled upon a video some time ago where a guy recorded a skateboarder in 4K, 1080 and 720 then combined them into one clip. You'd be hard pressed to distinguish which clips were which.

Editing is the biggest hurdle in my opinion. The basics aren't too terribly challenging as a lot of it follows what you already know from shooting photos.

I made this in my garage last summer. I doubt Ducati would use it for an advertisement but I did learn a WHOLE lot shooting it.


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Dec 31, 2024 at 09:41 AM
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Since this is a thread for sharing tips, especially for those just starting to dabble in video, here's a few quick things I learned that greatly improved my videography in a short amount of time.

1. If you're shooting scenes that are dimly lit or will have a lot of shadows/dark areas, it's very important to try and stay on your camera's base ISO (and in the R5ii's case, it's second "almost base" ISO). ISO noise from using different settings than those (and if you have a kick booty camera it may have triple base ISOs) are the main culprit in noise in the shadows.

2. The "double shutter speed to frame rate" rule is a good one, especially if there is a decent amount of motion involved as motion blur is exacerbated the lower your shutter speed goes. However if you are shooting say an interview style setting and there's no fast motion, and you're struggling with low light (e.g. you are at your camera's highest base ISO and you're shooting as wide open as you can and you're still underexposed) you can maybe bend the rule a little bit and slow down the shutter speed to let more light in.

3. If your camera has it, learn to use the histogram to nail your desired exposure. When I had an R6ii, I bought the Atomos Shinobi II monitor for multiple reasons (bigger screen, could angle it so I could see it while holding the camera at odd angels, etc.) and one of them was for the histogram options. Now that the R5ii has it in camera, I'm free to only hook up the Atomos when I need it, and can run around without it knowing I'm getting the exposure I want.

4. ND filters are your friend, especially in broad daylight. Just as with photography, sometimes you want that wide open aperture of 1.2, 1.4, etc. but in daylight, with ISO 800, my video is totally blown out. I bought the NISI Tue Color Vario ND Swift system, which has a variable ND of 1-5 stops and a quick way to attach a 4 stop ND right on top of it to get to 6-9 stops if needed. Do your research to find one that doesn't do the dreaded X pattern and you'll be a happy camper. Also if you know you're going to be shooting a lot of video in a session, get one with an attachable lens cap because ND filters won't work with your lens' cap, and you're going to grow to hate screwing/unscrewing filters all the time throughout the day in between breaks (or you'll just leave the ND filter on and risk potentially damaging it if you scuff it on something).

5. If even after enabling lens IS and IBIS (and if like me you're trying to avoid using the Digital IS which crops in) you are still having shake/steadiness issues, but don't want to go full gimbal, consider a cage and handle system similar to that Smallrig setup I posted earlier in this thread. I don't use it all the time (or even most of the time) but when I've had to use it, it's paid for itself. It's modular so it can be as involved as you want it to be (top handle only, one or two side handles, etc.).

6. When I choose to use 60fps over 30/24fps: 1) when I have enough light, as going to 1/125 shutter speed will reduce light to the sensor, and I'm trying to always stay at ISO 800, and 4000 if I can't, 2) when there's fast motion that I want to capture, but don't want to go full 120fps or slow mo 120/240fps, 3) if I want to create a "real life" look. What do I mean by this? I like to do vacation/travel/street/nature/museum videography and when I capture those settings, I'm not trying to make it look filmic, I'm trying to preserve as much detail as my eye sees, trying to make it as close to my memory as I can, and our eyes clearly see faster than 24/30fps. This is a personal decision, YMMV.

7. Remember to start recording earlier and stop recording later than you think you need to, so that you give yourself room to trim/transition in post. You can always discard, but you can't magically recreate footage you never shot.



Dec 31, 2024 at 12:41 PM
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Of course not long after I posted that, I thought of some things I missed.

8. Get to know your camera's focus options. Whether you want it to lock in to your primary subject, or to be more aggressive in tracking new things that enter the frame. Canon has changed the setting names/values recently with the R5ii so you'll have to consult your manual and/or look up YouTube videos for your model.

9. Speaking of focus, get to know how to change how quickly your camera racks focus in video mode. When shooting stills we obviously want it to focus as fast as possible especially when shooting sports, wildlife, etc. I've found I actually like the camera to rack focus a little more slowly in video (sometimes substantially more slowly, for dramatic effect).

10. Check if your lens has firmware updates that reduce focus breathing. After taking a long break from photography and re-entering last year in the RF world, I was pleasantly surprised that now not only do some Canon RF lenses have firmware, but that some of them help correct focus breathing.



Dec 31, 2024 at 01:07 PM
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Great tips Carlo, I guess I forgot to mention ISO and that's probably because my R5's were set to ISO 800 several years ago and I've never thought about it again since, because that's another thing that's fixed in video.

I have the same exact ND set as you and it's great. I'm sure you spent tons of time researching ND's like I did. This is the only pain with being a hybrid shooter is wanting to add/remove the ND when switching between stills and video.

I have the same small rig cage as you but I don't use it much. I do have gimbal as well which is cool but I try to go with 99% handheld and just use my camera strap/neck and find something to brace against for stability.

Frame rates - I think this always comes down to personal preference. There are hundreds of YouTube videos showing frame rate comparisons and I've watched a ton of them. In the end I settled on 24, 60, and 120. I have seen some clips where there's a slight difference between 24 and 30 and my professional friends told me to go with 24 so that's what I committed to. But I have some some 30 here and there.

The start recording early and stopping late is a great tip as I find people alway seem to cut the clip too short. It's better to have a longer clip to trim from.

The rack focus speed is a great tip too as I think the camera comes with a faster speed by default and I like to slow it down like you mentioned.



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As for final playback location for viewing video I know most people do this for social media or YouTube, but my intention is to be able to watch them on large hi res displays at home. This is why I want the most quality I can record out of these little cameras.

I have some video clips I made in the early 2000's when testing for GoPro on mountain bikes (during their prototype phase) and the videos now look like small thumbnails on iMac 5k display or 6k XDR display. Being that display technology/price is going through another generation soon, I want to make sure my footage can hold up to the high res displays I'll be using in 5-10years which will will be 8k. Plenty of 8K televisions out there already with the next generation on the way.

Over the holidays my family busts out the old slide projector and looks at slides from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. It reminded me of how time flies and soon we will be watching this footage I'm taking now on a 16k television when the kids grow up.

I took this same approach with photos as I used to be fine with (and promote) the 20-24MP cameras until I realized what's happening with them on high res displays. Since I'm heavily into tech, I definitely see myself looking at photos in 20yrs just like I do now from 20yrs ago. So I decided to go R5/R5II over the lower MP bodies.

So this is why I will always want to pick the best quality possible from these cameras for both photo and video.



Dec 31, 2024 at 02:04 PM
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I'm like you Artsupreme. While I primarily share videos on YouTube, I have the master files on my HDs and when I watch my own clips (or share them with family and friends) we're watching the full resolution files on the best display we have (my 4K/240hz monitor if I'm alone, the living room LG OLED 4K at 144hz if I'm sharing) so I'll always capture at minimum 4K and HEVC 422 10 bit. I do have some video I shot on my 7D from a Paris vacation in 2011 and man does that footage look like I took it on a flip phone haha. I do want Future Me to be proud of footage that Current Me is taking. That said, 8K RAW is still a huge storage hog so I'll reserve that setting for only the most important footage.

Being real for a moment, my eyesight will only get worse as I get older. My whole life (I was/am into home theater) I've always looked at video from NTSC, to DVD, to 2K HDTV and thought "it will get better, and fairly quickly". 4K is really the first resolution of video where I thought "yeah it could get better, but now we're hitting diminishing returns". Most Hollywood films aren't even finished in 4K and are displayed on movie screens that are 40'+ in size to good effect. I think movies we're capturing at 4K today are going to look more than acceptable for many years to come.



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Carlo_M,
Nice info, thanks for posting. On 4k monitor, what one do you use that is 4k/240hz? And size. And what you would get if getting today? I'm using a 27 in Dell IPS 4k 60hz, and it looks pretty good, but I may not know what good is.
Dave



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dj63401 wrote:
Carlo_M,
Nice info, thanks for posting. On 4k monitor, what one do you use that is 4k/240hz? And size. And what you would get if getting today? I'm using a 27 in Dell IPS 4k 60hz, and it looks pretty good, but I may not know what good is.
Dave


Current Monitor: Samsung 32" Neo G8 MiniLED

Got it mostly for gaming but it's served really well as a productivity PC as well.

As for what I'd buy now? I don't know, maybe it's OLED counterpart. I steered clear of it a couple years ago due to burn in concerns but I think manufacturers have gotten better at preventing burn in for OLED monitors.

Samsung Odyssey OLED G8/G80SD S32DG80
Keep in mind I haven't seen that OLED in person. Just basing it on how much I've liked my current Samsung, and rtings is usually fairly solid in their reviews.



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Carlo_M wrote:
Current Monitor: Samsung 32" Neo G8 MiniLED

Got it mostly for gaming but it's served really well as a productivity PC as well.

As for what I'd buy now? I don't know, maybe it's OLED counterpart. I steered clear of it a couple years ago due to burn in concerns but I think manufacturers have gotten better at preventing burn in for OLED monitors.

Samsung Odyssey OLED G8/G80SD S32DG80
Keep in mind I haven't seen that OLED in person. Just basing it on how much I've liked my current Samsung, and rtings is usually fairly solid in their reviews.


Thanks,
I need to stop in a store when I am in a larger city and look at them in person.
Dave




Dec 31, 2024 at 05:35 PM
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I just started playing around with video on R5 II. Prior to that have been doing videos on 5D II with magic lantern RAW video and then 5DIV. I only shoot for personal/family consumption. Here are some early random thoughts:

8k RAW Light is amazing for the quality of files and ability to adjust white balance and exposure in post process
I will likely use RAW Light in situations where white balance will be difficult, e.g. indoors under artificial lighting. Otherwise, I will likely choose XF-HEVC 10bit codec to save on disk space.
I’m able to edit 8K RAW without any need for proxy files in Davinci. This on a fairly beefy PC with Intel 14700K and RTX4090. Editing in Premiere Pro was a total failure – Canon RAW feature set is limited, performance was poor, switching between RAW gamuts and profiles often produced completely wrong colors.
I still haven’t settled on 8K export bitrates. Right now 8K 24P exported to H.265 at 100 mbps seems good. I tried 200mbps, but can’t tell the difference. Right now I’m thinking 8K 24P at 100mpbs and 8K 60p at 200mpbs.
I was scared of 8K first thinking it would be a major computational hassle to work with it – that proved incorrect, especially with Davinci. The only problem is file sizes.
I am toying with the idea of recording everything in 8K RAW light, then adjusting white balance and exposure on a computer and then exporting to smaller file format to save on disk space and then editing from the smaller files. I tried exporting to DNxHD, but those files ended up bigger than the RAW Light files. I then tried to export to H265 10bit 200mbps which produced significantly smaller file sizes and still allowed a lot of headroom for color grading. Still need to play around with that some more. Canon’s XF-HEVC S 10bit 8K/24p files are encoded at 540mbps, need to determine where I want to land, whether something smaller like 200mbps or the same 540mbps.
I tried using Canon RAW Development software to process RAW video files, but it only allows exporting to DPX file format, wish it had more options.
When editing in Davinci, I use Cinema Gamut and Log2 profile. I tried Rec709 gamut and profile, but that seemed to blow highlights a little with the Canon LUTs. I export to Rec709 as I don’t have HDR display to grade on.
IBIS for video is great. Also just got me a SmallRig cage with side and top handle – that should further stabilize handheld shots.
I use Tascam DR-100MK III field recorder for sound. It has both directional and omnidirectional mics. I’m happy with this setup for casual family events. I record in 24bit 96khz and then sync with video in Davinci. I record a second audio file with -12DB volume in case misjudge recording levels. I wish R5 II had line level input instead of the Mic input only, not a major problem, but would be nice to not need attenuating cable. I wonder if there will be any audio specific addons for the new multifunction hot shoe that will provide line level inputs.


I’m disappointed there’s not a 4k/60p full sensor readout XF-HEVC 10bit format supported by R5II. Hopefully it will be added one day via firmware. I also wish there was 8k/60p XF-HEVC 10bit format support.

Overall, R5 II video features and quality is a major step up from my prior cameras. Never had the original R5.




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p9168k wrote:
I just started playing around with video on R5 II. Prior to that have been doing videos on 5D II with magic lantern RAW video and then 5DIV. I only shoot for personal/family consumption. Here are some early random thoughts:

8k RAW Light is amazing for the quality of files and ability to adjust white balance and exposure in post process
I will likely use RAW Light in situations where white balance will be difficult, e.g. indoors under artificial lighting. Otherwise, I will likely choose XF-HEVC 10bit codec to save on disk space.
I’m able to edit 8K RAW without any need for
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Thanks for posting. I feel I learn something every time someone posts what they are doing with video.
Dave



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p9168k wrote:
I just started playing around with video on R5 II. Prior to that have been doing videos on 5D II with magic lantern RAW video and then 5DIV. I only shoot for personal/family consumption. Here are some early random thoughts:

8k RAW Light is amazing for the quality of files and ability to adjust white balance and exposure in post process
I will likely use RAW Light in situations where white balance will be difficult, e.g. indoors under artificial lighting. Otherwise, I will likely choose XF-HEVC 10bit codec to save on disk space.
I’m able to edit 8K RAW without any need for
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Hi p9168k,

As Dave wrote above, thanks for posting and welcome to the group.

Cheers,
Rudy





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White Balance for video - further discussion

Hi artsupreme,

Since you first asked me about my WB settings and were surprised that I used Auto-WB for my videos I've been busy trying to dig into understanding this whole issue of WB for videos.

Firstly, thanks for pointing out to me that by using AWBw in my videos I was out of step with what almost all other video shooters are doing. That's good to know! Being a self-taught relative newbie with little interaction with other video shooters (until now), I just assumed that this was the way to go and I've been doing so until you brought it to my attention a couple of days ago. The lack of any colour casts or other weird results in my footage, plus the ease of consistently white balancing my clips for over 2 years in Davinci Resolve allowed me to simply assume that everything was fine. But not so. So already I'm learning new things by being part of this group - that's great!

As a result of our discussion I've done some research over the last few days and would like to have you and/or other folks comment on my questions, especially in light of the "set and forget" approach to WB you mention above.

My typical wildlife shooting sessions are done outside, year round, under these lighting conditions:
Sunny - 5000-5500K
Cloudy - 6000-6500K
Shade - 7000-8500K

Often the conditions shift between full sun and cloudy a few times in a single session. As well, birds and other wildlife often move from sunny or cloudy conditions into full shade and back again. In light of the significant colour temp differences of these 3 conditions, which can all be present in a single one of my sessions, what should I do with respect to WB? Should I set it to "Sunny" and leave it there all day even though the colour temps are changing? Or should I change the WB setting on my R5 from sunny to cloudy to shade and back again as needed?

This morning I Googled this question: "When I'm filming outside in the sun and it becomes cloudy should I change my white balance setting?"
The answer Google AI Overview gave me was this: "Yes, you should change your white balance when filming outside in the sun and it becomes cloudy."

For me, having to be mindful of changing clouds and shade during a wildlife filming session and then changing my WB settings 2 or even 3 times a day is a bit of a bother, especially if AWB which I don't have to think about has been giving me acceptable results so far. And yet, I want to be doing the right thing so I'm at a bit of a loss.

What advantage(s) will changing my WB presets from Sunny to Shade when the clouds roll in give me that just using AWB won't? Or said another way, what disadvantages or possible problems will using the WB presets avoid rather than using the AWB?

Your thoughts?
Thanks,
Rudy



Jan 01, 2025 at 12:18 PM
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Rudy Pohl wrote:
White Balance for video - further discussion

Hi artsupreme,

Since you first asked me about my WB settings and were surprised that I used Auto-WB for my videos I've been busy trying to dig into understanding this whole issue of WB for videos.

Firstly, thanks for pointing out to me that by using AWBw in my videos I was out of step with what almost all other video shooters are doing. That's good to know! Being a self-taught relative newbie with little interaction with other video shooters (until now), I just assumed that this was the way to go and I've
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I'm not the expert on this to answer your question but I'm guilty of just leaving my WB on daylight for nearly everything. I've made a couple movies with the conversion luts in FCP and the colors looked fine to me with shade or with cloudy conditions, but I can't say for sure this is the best way to do it.

I'm sure you are probably supposed to change WB with extreme changes in lighting, but I've just left mine on daylight for nearly everything and this is probably the wrong way to do it. I'm wanting to keep it simple like you, and I'm sure we don't need to be messing with WB as much as others might suggest as long as there is a little pliability in post.

I have some fresh footage from Indonesia where I shot in the rain and at night with the daylight WB setting, so if I can find time to get it into FCP for a quick look maybe I can export something and put it on YouTube. But right now I'm slammed so hopefully we'll find an expert here eventually who can answer all our questions.



Jan 01, 2025 at 03:38 PM
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