I really do think the disdain for the lever was overblown and that in actual fact, a large proportion actually liked the lever. At the time people jumped on the bandwagon to hate on it. I can see the M10D rising in value too!
It’s essentially an M11-P without the LCD screen, with the ISO dial moved from the top to the back of the camera. Interestingly, it weighs about the same as the M11-P despite not having the LCD screen. Overall, it’s a very light camera at 457 grams (without battery).
rsolti13 wrote:
crazy when you think about it....costs more than an M11-P, without a screen
In the past, the “D” versions were significantly more expensive than the 'screen' versions, so this is actually refreshing. It’s also priced lower than expected in Europe at £8,100.00.
Fred Miranda wrote:
In the past, the “D” versions were significantly more expensive than the “screen” versions, so this is actually refreshing. It’s also priced lower than expected in Europe at £8,100.00.
They probably don’t make as many so the one off design being more expensive isn't that surprising. Not interested in this since I own the M11-p but it looks awesome-
flash wrote:
I already told my dealer no lever, no sale. It's the main attraction to me of the D cameras and I think it's a mistake to remove it. Leica want to sell that awful and awfully expensive thumb attachment that takes the hotshoe and looks hideous. I'll spend the money on the Q3/43 or the pretty limited edition X2D.
Gordon
There’s always the Thumbie if you don’t want to take up the hot shoe.
The sample images still exhibit a noticeable magenta tint, which is a color bias in the M11’s output that I personally find unappealing.
Of course our eyes and monitors are different. But I like the looks of my M11-P raw files using the Cobalt M10-R profile on Adobe Camera Raw. You might give Cobalt a whirl with your recent M11 experiment files and see what you think Fred.
goodbokeh wrote:
Of course our eyes and monitors are different. But I like the looks of my M11-P raw files using the Cobalt M10-R profile on Adobe Camera Raw. You might give Cobalt a whirl with your recent M11 experiment files and see what you think Fred.
The M10-R cobalt profile, which I use for M11 DNG files, only adjusts individual colors, not the overall tint. It seems people are used to the M11’s magenta tint bias, but I’m not, so I constantly need to edit this when shooting with the M11.
From the samples in the review, this remained unchanged for the M11-D.
Fred Miranda wrote:
The M10-R cobalt profile, which I use for M11 DNG files, only adjusts individual colors, not the overall tint. It seems people are used to the M11’s magenta tint bias, but I’m not, so I constantly need to edit this when shooting with the M11.
From the samples in the review, this remained unchanged for the M11-D.
In LRC, can you set a default white balance shift that moves the tint a few points toward green? In C1, I wasn't seeing much of a magenta tint with my last M11 as I saw with my first ones – not sure if that's due to hardware or firmware changes over that time, or both. One person on Leica Forum reported sending theirs in to fix an out of spec white balance, and it came back with less magenta tint.
johnvanr wrote:
There’s always the Thumbie if you don’t want to take up the hot shoe.
I use the Thumbie on all my digital M cameras already. So I may as well use those.
I think thr M10D is achingly beautiful, in part because of the lever. If the M11D were that with 60mp I couldn't resist.Without the lever, I can. M's aren't practical cameras for me. It's purely an emotional attachment.
Fred Miranda wrote:
The M10-R cobalt profile, which I use for M11 DNG files, only adjusts individual colors, not the overall tint. It seems people are used to the M11’s magenta tint bias, but I’m not, so I constantly need to edit this when shooting with the M11.
From the samples in the review, this remained unchanged for the M11-D.
flash wrote:
Doesn't the calibration tab help you there?
I don't mind the color output, although it is a bit too accurate for my taste, now being similar to what I get from my Sony and Fuji bodies. The M240 and M10 series have a more characterful color output with more teal in the blues, orange in the reds, and yellow in the greens.
'm referring to a color cast in all the images due to tint discrepancies. It can be easily fixed in post, so I don't think it's a major issue, but it's something I have to address when editing M11 files.. I was one of the first to report it when the M11 was introduced, and many others have noticed it too. However, it doesn't seem to be a priority for Leica since the M11-D continues this trend.
