I received some additional information on the rumored Leica M11-D camera:
Official announcement rumored for May 2024 (postponed to June)
ISO dial on the back instead of a screen (like the Leica M-D Typ 262, not like the Leica M10-D that had an on/off switch and EV compensation wheel on the back)
No fake advance lever a.k.a. “integrated fold-out thumb rest
1bwana1 wrote:
I just ask myself why when I see this. It is a digital camera. How do you get to all the functions and options? Do you just lose all that too?
The M-D type 262 was quickly sold out and became sort of a collector item. It was celebrated as unique camera to shoot digital with a fully manual [film camera] experience. The camera stripped most of advantages digital cameras offer over film cameras. Only ISO can be changed via wheel on the camera back which replaced the LCD screen. It's a camera for purists and enthusiasts plus collectors. Personally, I have never been appealed by the M-D camera. I rather either shoot film or digital and the latter having digital options available with camera screen.
1bwana1 wrote:
I just ask myself why when I see this. It is a digital camera. How do you get to all the functions and options? Do you just lose all that too?
You set everything from the app just like the M10-D. An M11-D should be a better screen-less camera seeing as how the M11 off-sensor metering is more accurate.
retrofocus wrote:
The M-D type 262 was quickly sold out and became sort of a collector item. It was celebrated as unique camera to shoot digital with a fully manual [film camera] experience. The camera stripped most of advantages digital cameras offer over film cameras. Only ISO can be changed via wheel on the camera back which replaced the LCD screen. It's a camera for purists and enthusiasts plus collectors. Personally, I have never been appealed by the M-D camera. I rather either shoot film or digital and the latter having digital options available with camera screen.
I still can't help asking myself "why?".
But I have the same reaction to the high priced "special editions" based only on color where the buyer puts the set in a safe and never uses it. The IRR of doing that cannot keep up with other financial options.
1bwana1 wrote:
I still can't help asking myself "why?".
But I have the same reaction to the high priced "special editions" based only on color where the buyer puts the set in a safe and never uses it. The IRR of doing that cannot keep up with other financial options.
Because enough people want them that they sell out almost instantly.
flash wrote:
Because enough people want them that they sell out almost instantly.
Gordon
I know they do. It is me that just doesn't get it. The same way I don't get allocated watches (usuallybad time pieces), allocated street super cars (no rational way to push them on the street), and Diamond's (we can grow or mine as many as we can sell). All based on artificial rarity.
1bwana1 wrote:
I know they do. It is me that just doesn't get it. The same way I don't get allocated watches (usuallybad time pieces), allocated street super cars (no rational way to push them on the street), and Diamond's (we can grow or mine as many as we can sell). All based on artificial rarity.
It may not suit everyone, but if you're accustomed to shooting with Leica M film cameras, this is as close as you can get to that mindset when shooting digitally.
Similar to why many people don't understand the Fuji X-Pro3. There's no definite right or wrong; it's simply an alternative for those who value it.
Fred Miranda wrote:
It may not suit everyone, but if you're accustomed to shooting with Leica M film cameras, this is as close as you can get to that mindset when shooting digitally.
Similar to why many people don't understand the Fuji X-Pro3. There's no definite right or wrong; it's simply an alternative for those who value it.
I get that. I fully accept that there are enough people who see value in it otherwise Leica wouldn't make it. I guess that says it all.
highdesertmesa wrote:
You set everything from the app just like the M10-D. An M11-D should be a better screen-less camera seeing as how the M11 off-sensor metering is more accurate.
I have a question, since there's no screen, how can user pair their cell phone with the camera for the first time?
tigerlo wrote:
I have a question, since there's no screen, how can user pair their cell phone with the camera for the first time?
Assuming it works like the M10-D does, you'll scan a QR code to connect the app to the phone the first time. On the M10-D the code was on the bottom covered by the baseplate, presumably they'll have to find a new place to hide it with the M11-D
oscartb wrote:
Assuming it works like the M10-D does, you'll scan a QR code to connect the app to the phone the first time. On the M10-D the code was on the bottom covered by the baseplate, presumably they'll have to find a new place to hide it with the M11-D
Oh, now I get it. You do have a screen. It is just on your phone instead of conviently located on the back of the camera.
1bwana1 wrote:
Oh, now I get it. You do have a screen. It is just on your phone instead of conviently located on the back of the camera.
From what I read, some adore the -D variant. If I remember correctly the M10-D sold out and become unobtainable quickly. With this rumor, I bet some have already requested a spot in the M11-D preorder queue.
markhout wrote:
No screen - does that mean no hotshoe EVF capability either (i.e. added focusing challenge for non-RF coupled lenses)?
The M10-D allows for the use of a Visoflex. But only with red focus peaking turned on. There was no way to turn it off. It was one of my least favorite aspects of the camera. It made it quite hard to check lenses for perfect RF calibration.
I would assume the little red light of frozen death is still on the camera.