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Leica M11-D announced!

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Leica M11-D announced!

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The M10-D allows for the use of a Visoflex. But only with red focus peaking turned on. There was no way to turn it off. It was one of my least favorite aspects of the camera. It made it quite hard to check lenses for perfect RF calibration.

Indeed, I briefly tested out the M10-D and quite enjoyed using it. However, I ultimately chose to shoot with a M10-R featuring the 40MP sensor instead. One drawback of the M10-D was the lack of firmware updates, such as the restriction you mentioned.. It seems like Leica may have overlooked the short lifespan of the camera and didn't provide ongoing support through firmware updates.

It does not seem the M10-D was a commercial success for Leica, but those who did adopt the camera are quite passionate about it.

I'm interested to see how they handle the ISO dial being moved to the back. Also, I'm curious if they'll simplify the firmware, maybe offering only a 60-megapixel resolution option. By eliminating the lever grip, Leica might opt for a very simple design, resembling the M11-P in aesthetics but without the ISO dial on the top and without the screen.

Mar 24, 2024 at 09:31 AM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Leica M11-D announced!

An M10-D, recently being auctioned at the “evil bay,” recently ended at $6K US, if I recall correctly, an indication that the M10-D is not so collectible/desirable, anymore.

Linking my iPhone or iPad to an M10 is so erratic and glitchy, I do not think that I would want to depend upon such a link to run an M10-D or M11-D.

On the other hand, part of me still lusts for the M-D Type 262. They seem to sell for about $5K, on the evil bay.

Mar 24, 2024 at 10:39 AM

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Mar 24, 2024 at 11:02 AM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Leica M11-D announced!

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An M10-D, recently being auctioned at the “evil bay,” recently ended at $6K US, if I recall correctly, an indication that the M10-D is not so collectible/desirable, anymore.

Linking my iPhone or iPad to an M10 is so erratic and glitchy, I do not think that I would want to depend upon such a link to run an M10-D or M11-D.

On the other hand, part of me still lusts for the M-D Type 262. They seem to sell for about $5K, on the evil bay.

I do remember some complaining about the M10-D to include Fotos app glitches at the time.

However, I think the Leica Fotos app has improved greatly since. I use it regularly with the M11 and now users are reporting even faster Fotos connection with the new SL3.

Since the Fotos app is probably a requirement to interface with the -D, hopefully the M11-D connectivity will be a much better experience than the M10-D was, even if BT and Wireless specs remain the same as the base M11. Would be even better if the M11-D might include the BT and Wireless upgrades in the SL3, but not sure this is possible.

Mar 24, 2024 at 12:07 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Leica M11-D announced!

If the 10D’s fake film advance lever actually cocked the shutter, I’d have been on it like brown on organic short grain rice.

Mar 24, 2024 at 12:49 PM

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If the 10D’s fake film advance lever actually cocked the shutter

That would be the ultimate gimmick of all gimmicks!

Mar 24, 2024 at 12:58 PM

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That would be the ultimate gimmick of all gimmicks!

But it’s not a gimmick - it would extend the battery life! Plus you would have fond memories of all those once in a lifetime shots you missed because you forgot to wind on.

Mar 24, 2024 at 01:02 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Leica M11-D announced!

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That would be the ultimate gimmick of all gimmicks!

Mar 24, 2024 at 02:53 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Leica M11-D announced!

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https://leicarumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Epson-R-D1s-digital-rangefinder-camera.jpg

Yes, like that! Except good looking.

The 28 3.5 LTM looks so good in black. Mine is chrome, never seen a black one IRL.

Mar 24, 2024 at 05:50 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Leica M11-D announced!

Take that back! The analog meter is gorgeous!

Desmolicious wrote:
Yes, like that! Except good looking.

The 28 3.5 LTM looks so good in black. Mine is chrome, never seen a black one IRL.

Mar 24, 2024 at 06:29 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Leica M11-D announced!

Epson RD1 was fun to shoot

Mar 24, 2024 at 08:04 PM

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In my opinion, it still is.

Stephen G wrote:
Epson RD1 was fun to shoot

Mar 24, 2024 at 09:54 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Leica M11-D announced!

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Depending on whether Leica doesn't mess up the design of the M11-D, the value of the M10-D could potentially drop even further after its release. It's still amazing that it's selling for the current price, indicating that there are many photographers who appreciate its simplicity.

using my m10d for nearly five years, i absolutely 'appreciate', no, love, no, adore its simplicity ! no distraction whatsoever, classic photography pure. still, i am one of those 'upgraders' who wants to switch his m10d for the new m11d, for various reasons, although the missing thumb-rest is indeed a near-show-stopper. so, i am trying to sell mine to finance the next one - but as it's discussed here in this forum, that solid price over the years seems to crumble now, bad timing for some of us...

Mar 24, 2024 at 10:33 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Leica M11-D announced!

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using my m10d for nearly five years, i absolutely 'appreciate', no, love, no, adore its simplicity ! no distraction whatsoever, classic photography pure. still, i am one of those 'upgraders' who wants to switch his m10d for the new m11d, for various reasons, although the missing thumb-rest is indeed a near-show-stopper. so, i am trying to sell mine to finance the next one - but as it's discussed here in this forum, that solid price over the years seems to crumble now, bad timing for some of us...

If you're a fan of the M10-D, it might be a good idea to hold off and see what the M11-D has to offer. While the absence of the built-in thumb rest may not be enough to dislike the camera, there could be other changes worth considering. For example, the shutter on the M11 opens and closes twice for every shot, which some people don't like. Leica hasn't fully resolved the current issues, like freezing, with the M11, so some may still persist with the M11-D.

You probably haven't encountered any of these issues with your current M10-D.

Are you thinking about upgrading for the higher megapixel count?

Mar 24, 2024 at 10:41 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Leica M11-D announced!

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If the 10D’s fake film advance lever actually cocked the shutter, I’d have been on it like brown on organic short grain rice.

I love using the digital back on a Hasselblad film camera for this exact reason. Turning the knob to cock the shutter, using the waist level viewfinder to focus, feeling the mirror slap up as it exposes the sensor... a truly film-like experience with all the benefits of a digital output.

I really think this is what Leica should be focusing on for their D line. It's not about pretending to use a film camera, or faking an analog workflow... It's about the tactile experience of using a camera that doesn't feel like I'm using a computer. That's all I want.

I still use a Leica film camera occasionally not because of how the film looks once it's developed, but because I want to do something with my leisure time that isn't 'digital'. So I don't want to be looking at a screen, or watching a histogram, or fussing with a menu system. I don't want to feel a glass screen beneath my fingers when I hold the camera.... I want the picture-making experience to be a relaxing way to detox from sitting on a computer all day at work or from answering emails on my phone.

I don't see tactile knobs and levers that serve a core function as gimmicky, I see it as a way to digitally detox.

Mar 24, 2024 at 11:31 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Leica M11-D announced!

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If you're a fan of the M10-D, it might be a good idea to hold off and see what the M11-D has to offer. While the absence of the built-in thumb rest may not be enough to dislike the camera, there could be other changes worth considering. For example, the shutter on the M11 opens and closes twice for every shot, which some people don't like. Leica hasn't fully resolved the current issues, like freezing, with the M11, so some may still persist with the M11-D.

You probably haven't encountered any of these issues with your current M10-D.

Are you thinking...Show more →

thank you for your reply, Fred ! true, my M10-D works flawlessly for years. i have had my little problems with it at the beginning though today it's a reliable workhorse for me, behaves just like a film range-finder camera, a good friend i can trust.

so, why upgrading then to the next generation M11-D ? it's not that a straighforward decision, i admit.

for my part it's a mixed bag of 'smallish' improvements that matter : new hardware to reset the camera's life-cycle clock; pixel count; sensor quality for dark and highlight areas; USB charging; no silly baseplate to lose; power switch and ISO wheel found at familiar places; improved light metering; and more as rumored elsewhere. in terms of shutter noise, the m10d does 'rr', while the new m11d will sound like this 'r-rr-r', but who cares - as long as it operates quietly, right ? IBIS would be a nice add-on in view of the small pixel size but that's i guess for the next M generation...

Mar 25, 2024 at 10:37 AM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Leica M11-D announced!

Leica are mental for removing the thumb rest. It's ergonomically sensational. And yes, I was looking at an M11D and no, likely won't buy one because of this. Bummer.

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Mar 25, 2024 at 05:13 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Leica M11-D announced!

pistikem wrote:
thank you for your reply, Fred ! true, my M10-D works flawlessly for years. i have had my little problems with it at the beginning though today it's a reliable workhorse for me, behaves just like a film range-finder camera, a good friend i can trust.

so, why upgrading then to the next generation M11-D ? it's not that a straighforward decision, i admit.

for my part it's a mixed bag of 'smallish' improvements that matter : new hardware to reset the camera's life-cycle clock; pixel count; sensor quality for dark and highlight areas; USB charging; no silly baseplate to lose; power...Show more →

Those are valid reasons to consider upgrading, especially when moving from the M10's 24MP to the M11's 60MP. Your points about improved metering and dynamic range are accurate. Also, it's likely that the M11-D will feature the M11's electronic shutter. However, this could be a mixed blessing because with 60MP and no stacked sensor, the read-out speed will likely be around 1/10s, making the electronic shutter impractical for capturing moving subjects.

Reliability is my primary concern, which is why I continue to shoot with an M10-R. I'm hopeful that Leica will tackle the hardware and software issues they've faced. While I'm intrigued by the M11-D, I might consider a used M10-D depending on the improvements Leica implements. I'm already disappointed by the removal of the thumb lever.

Mar 25, 2024 at 05:29 PM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Leica M11-D announced!

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Reliability is my primary concern, which is why I continue to shoot with an M10-R. I'm hopeful that Leica will tackle the hardware and software issues they've faced.

Honestly Fred I think Leica has pretty much sorted out the freezing up issue. Neither I, nor any of the couple of dozen M11 users I know personally, are having problems these days. It now feels as solid as my M10-P in daily use. At this time I believe the benefits of the M11 outweigh any of the very small risks that may remain. It is an amazingly good camera in so many ways.

Mar 25, 2024 at 06:00 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Leica M11-D announced!

1bwana1 wrote:
Honestly Fred I think Leica has pretty much sorted out the freezing up issue. Neither I, nor any of the couple of dozen M11 users I know personally, are having problems these days. It now feels as solid as my M10-P in daily use. At this time I believe the benefits of the M11 outweigh any of the very small risks that may remain. It is an amazingly good camera in so many ways.

You are not helping my wallet 🤣 I have been very tempted to upgrade my M10.

Mar 25, 2024 at 06:08 PM

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