p.12 #1 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
The benefits of owning an A7CR as a back-up to an A7RV:
1) Having a back-up body with nearly identical capabilities as the main body. Files and editing are the same.
2) Configuring both bodies 95% the same in terms of function buttons and menus, makes for great ease of use and muscle memory.
3) The A7CR grip extender is on by default, so it allows me to comfortably use both bodies with larger primes and zooms.
4) Carrying 2 body/lens combinations in the bag, allows for quick lens changes without changing lenses.
5) The A7CR sans grip, used with my small prime(s), allows my kit to be light and discrete for urban/street and travel.
6) For urban/street settings, I love the EVF location on the A7CR. First, it keeps my big nose out of the way. But most important, it allows me to use both eyes to anticipate traffic or people coming into the frame. I don't mind the smaller EVF if I remove my glasses and jam it in under my eye brow, which also helps stabilize it. This is perfect for zone focusing.
It's great having different horses for different courses.
p.12 #2 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
bluehawaii wrote:
The A7Cr EVF is 0.76mp.
The rear screen is 0.35mp.
Quoting DPR from their piece on the A7Cr:
"My biggest criticism about the a7CR is the rather low-resolution viewfinder and rear display. For a camera with the best full-frame resolution in the biz, it's darned hard to get a sense of the detail you're about to capture while composing a shot. The same goes for viewing results in-camera. But, maybe this is a good thing? Ansel Adams, after all, never pixel-peeped his shots."
Where is the 'FOMO', 'bitching' or 'sour grapes'?
I'm not seeing it.
DPReview has become a joke. They downrate Sony cameras for not having useless features like in-camera RAW processing and multiple exposures, while ignoring that Sony is the only game in town for lightweight, compact, best-in-class image taking, which is the use case for the A7CR.
p.12 #3 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
foto16 wrote:
I agree. The camera simply is too expensive when comparing the feature set to other cameras in the same price range.
The A7CR / A7CII's "feature set" is the small, compact size with a full frame, top-drawer sensor and the excellent AF systems from their larger siblings.
p.12 #4 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
randomguy wrote:
Where I live I can pay 25% less and get a Canon R5, ~7% more and get a A7R5 or 10% more and get a Z8. Yet I get no joystick, no CFA slot, no eye cup not to mention evf resolution and no stacked sensor or full mechanical shutter. This makes it very easy to skip the A7CR even though I like the concept. Would love a super light high res camera for shooting landscapes on strenuous hikes.
I have an A1 with VG when I want "features".
The A7CR's "feature" is small size + top drawer IQ.
p.12 #7 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
Regardless what you plan on shooting, the a7c cameras will handle it as well as any larger cameras. I use my a7r ivs for documentary work and my newer a7r v for still work. My a7cr is my primary "lightweight" set up but I don't hesitate using a 300 f2.8 or large zoom on it when called for. As for selling - they seem to be selling as fast as they can make them.
p.12 #8 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
lightskyland wrote:
I have owned digital cameras for 2+ decades and hundreds of thousands of images taken and NEVER had a card failure lose images....
Yeah, when people say that, I refer to the seatbelt analogy. Just because you have (hopefully) never been in a serious accident, does that mean you don't wear your seatbelt?
Of course not the same degree of risk, but the analogy still stands.
If you are simply a hobbyist, I can see the justification to save money with a single slot camera, but NO working professional should be shooting with one camera with one slot.
p.12 #9 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
gheller wrote:
Yeah, when people say that, I refer to the seatbelt analogy. Just because you have (hopefully) never been in a serious accident, does that mean you don't wear your seatbelt?
Of course not the same degree of risk, but the analogy still stands.
If you are simply a hobbyist, I can see the justification to save money with a single slot camera, but NO working professional should be shooting with one camera with one slot.
Have a great week!
People are not buying a single slot camera to "save money". They are buying it because the A7CR, 6700 etc. are much smaller and lighter than an A1, especially with VG semi-permanently attached like mine is.
The notion that a National Geographic photographer should necessarily backpack with a large camera body and use cards in dual-write mode because you feel more comfortable working that way, and that she is not a quality professional because of her choice, is utterly ludicrous.
p.12 #10 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
DenverSteve wrote:
Regardless what you plan on shooting, the a7c cameras will handle it as well as any larger cameras. I use my a7r ivs for documentary work and my newer a7r v for still work. My a7cr is my primary "lightweight" set up but I don't hesitate using a 300 f2.8 or large zoom on it when called for. As for selling - they seem to be selling as fast as they can make them.
You need to stop using the A7CR, Denver Steve.
It only has one card slot. It's not a serious camera for professionals!
p.12 #11 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
Jacob97 wrote:
Absolutely, investing in the RV is a game-changer for versatility. The EVF and joystick enhance the shooting experience, making it a worthwhile upgrade from the CR. Plus, the extra space, improved grip, and dual card slots make it a practical choice, especially when packing that essential 20-70 lens for your travels😊.
The odd thing here is how invested A7RV owners are in attacking the A7Cxx cameras.
p.12 #12 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
Jacob97 wrote:
Absolutely, investing in the RV is a game-changer for versatility. The EVF and joystick enhance the shooting experience, making it a worthwhile upgrade from the CR. Plus, the extra space, improved grip, and dual card slots make it a practical choice, especially when packing that essential 20-70 lens for your travels😊.
For me, weight and bulk are very important attributes of my system…this is where the A7cr comes in.
p.12 #14 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
chez wrote:
For me, weight and bulk are very important attributes of my system…this is where the A7cr comes in.
This.
I already have an A1 for wildlife and portrait work and the VG never comes off because of the hassle factor of doing so.
I don't WANT the A7CR to be big and heavy. I love the current size and am perfectly willing to accept the necessary trade-offs for this in my backpacking / hiking camera.
p.12 #15 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
I think camera size is a personal choice,
I have had many compacts and didn’t like the experience, same with the 6500,
I went to the camera shop to handle the A7Cr this weekend and for me it’s the perfect size before a camera gets too small,
It felt great with the 16-35f4 PZ, and especially nice with small primes,
My only concern is using manual focus primes with the low resolution viewfinder, it did fine in the shop, how that translates to the real world in low light I don’t know, maybe it’s ok with peaking on,
I have the A7rv and used them side by side in the shop, with any bigger zoom and the rv is a much better option, but as a travel/hiking camera the compromises are worth it and I will be buying one soon,
p.12 #16 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
Uncle Chip wrote:
My only concern is using manual focus primes with the low resolution viewfinder,
FWIW, I've been using my A7CR with my E mount Voigtlander 50 1.2 and no problems with manual focusing. For landscapes I've been using magnified view and for people shots focus peaking without magnified view and I just look for the glint in their eyes. Sometimes I have to modify the peaking level from Med to Low.
p.12 #17 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
lightskyland wrote:
People are not buying a single slot camera to "save money". They are buying it because the A7CR, 6700 etc. are much smaller and lighter than an A1, especially with VG semi-permanently attached like mine is.
The notion that a National Geographic photographer should necessarily backpack with a large camera body and use cards in dual-write mode because you feel more comfortable working that way, and that she is not a quality professional because of her choice, is utterly ludicrous.
Well, *she* will feel utterly ludicrous if (and when) the SINGLE card decides to fail and the "national geographic" shot she was hoping post on the cover is lost without backup.
I can't imagine the slight weight difference between the bodies is *that* significant to warrant the REAL risks involved.
p.12 #19 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
This shit is simple . I just shot 20 Thousand images on a A7RV with 2 cards in Raw . Slot One was primary and Slot 2 was the Raw backup. Now nothing happened and 99 percent of the time it won't fail but there is always a chance and as a working Pro or even a hobbyist it's the risk you either take or don't . This for me is a lot of sales on the line. Im not taking that risk as also an instructor of many workshops I have seen the WTF happen too often. Now that was older news and today cards have gotten better. Out side these risks which you are on your own taking. Im not but more the issue with this cam is the limitations that it does have and for some of us it just won't work for what we do. People are making this into a huge deal but if you after size and weight with several big limitations than knock yourself out but DO NOT sit here and chew out the folks that don't want to take there limitations . I cant along with many other they can't either. Photography reaches far beyond what hobbyists are doing out there, you have to realize this its NOT about you me or the fence post. It's about the size of areas of what type of shooting is going on. Seriously you want to risk your bacon than please do it and stop building up this cam way beyond its limitations . You're not helping anyone . I own a single slot 6700 but I use it in areas that my risk factor (money piglet) is not so much at risk or very limited if something does happen but more important to me outside the 2 slots is it acts like my A7RV and kills the limitations for me. That to me is more important. Im just here to give you a path that is more conservative and more useful as all kinds of stuff come up. Limitations can be a big issue. I had them with Leica and Phase One gear and HAD to move on to more versatile systems. Point being careful how you limit yourself, Size and weight do not take images but shutter/flash/Led and all those camera limitations do, so its weighting game but my advice is do not put too much in size and weight and limit yourself either. Its all about balance
p.12 #20 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"
Why does this thread continually drift back to what a pro needs? I’m pretty sure Sony is not targeting the A7c line of cameras at the professional market so why all this pro talk here. There is a Professional board here on FM. Go talk about your pro needs there.
