chez wrote:
I use the Sony 28 for street photos. Works great for that purpose.
Before a month ago I always wanted a 28mm but never bought the Sony. I found a mint copy being offered here on FM so I pulled the trigger on it. Pairing it with the 55/1.8 ZA appears to make a small flexible kit for the A7C and even for the A6700 with the 1.5x APS-C crop.
swldstn wrote:
Before a month ago I always wanted a 28mm but never bought the Sony. I found a mint copy being offered here on FM so I pulled the trigger on it. Pairing it with the 55/1.8 ZA appears to make a small flexible kit for the A7C and even for the A6700 with the 1.5x APS-C crop.
Yes, one needs to make their own decisions on gear. With the herd mentality on these boards, gear can quickly get an overly great rating or an overly poor rating where in reality the gear is somewhere in between. There is a lot of echoing that goes on by people that never touch the equipment, but have a definite opinion.
But I doubt we see any readout speed improvement without a stacked sensor. To meet the price point I’m sure it’ll recycle the a7IV’s sensor, which means same readout speed and same crop.
Even if it’s not aimed at the professional market, I’m looking at using both of the new C’s for my work to lighten my kit. Dual cards is overblown IMO when you’re carrying two bodies and buy good cards. I shot the a7rII/sII for years until getting the a7III and never had any issues. 🤷♀️
Cheers
Chris
What I meant was the a7iv sensor has a faster readout than the A7rv, so if it has the same generation processor plus the new AI chipset plus an extra year development then it should potentially have significantly better AF than the A7rv, which would be really pretty amazing. Something tells me they may deliberately cripple the AF so as to keep a differentiator with more expensive bodies.
33mp is a really good sweet spot for a lot (probably the vast majority) of photography these days. AF is getting to the point of being so good it's almost spoiling action/sports photography - anyone can do it with a small amount of money. I'm personally very happy with that as I get to have so much fun photographing things my skill level wouldn't have dreamed of doing but a few years ago. Incredible we can get that in a body as small as an A7c now. Of course it's a compromise, that's kind of the whole point of it - Sony have very deliberately chosen all the components to create a product that moves the game on and competes with it's competitors, but not itself. Sony have a myriad of body alternatives for those who are complaining about EVF and 2nd slots etc etc, and are under zero obligation to create products for a relatively small number of internet forum karens. The A7c was a huge success for Sony, Sony have come in and redefined camera and lens technology and marketing in a fairly short space of time with huge success. They know exactly what they're doing.
I like the idea of a small camera like the A7CR, but this seems to cut too many corners for me for too little price cut. Won't be surprised if the mechanical shutter only has one curtain too, like for instance on the A1 and A7C. Have to think about what benefits a camera offers over what you already have and for what price.
randomguy wrote:
I like the idea of a small camera like the A7CR, but this seems to cut too many corners for me for too little price cut. Won't be surprised if the mechanical shutter only has one curtain too, like for instance on the A1 and A7C. Have to think about what benefits a camera offers over what you already have and for what price.
The unique feature of the A7c(r) cameras is their size for a full frame camera. One needs to prioritize their needs and if compact size is not very high on their list, then this camera most likely not work for you.
randomguy wrote:
I like the idea of a small camera like the A7CR, but this seems to cut too many corners for me for too little price cut. Won't be surprised if the mechanical shutter only has one curtain too, like for instance on the A1 and A7C. Have to think about what benefits a camera offers over what you already have and for what price.
Fred Miranda wrote:
The prices seem a bit confusing.
SAR mentioned that the A7cII is priced at 2699 Euros and the A7cR at 3599 Euros.
In the US, there is rumor of the A7cII for $1699 and the A7cR for $2699, for the camera bodies alone.
That's 1K difference here. Maybe the real answer is somewhere in the middle!
The SAR rumors are for European prices that include VAT of 15%. So deduct 15% from the SAR prices. Then there is a further 10-15% difference between the European prices without VAT and the US prices. So take about another 12% off. That brings you into the range of about $1900 for the A7CII and about $2600 for the A7CR. That about matches the US rumors you cited.
That is about where my pricing guesstimate would be: $1800-$1900 for the II and $2600-$2700 for the CR. That also feels about right to me.
randomguy wrote:
I like the idea of a small camera like the A7CR, but this seems to cut too many corners for me for too little price cut. Won't be surprised if the mechanical shutter only has one curtain too, like for instance on the A1 and A7C. Have to think about what benefits a camera offers over what you already have and for what price.
Would be a bummer if the A7C series shutter continues with only EFCS or Electronic. The A1's electronic shutter is fast enough, but not the ones on non-stacked sensors that the A7CII and R look to inherit. Like you said, one of a few too many cut corners/compromises among others like a small EVF and fewer controls. The size difference ends up being not worth it for me.
grahamgibson wrote:
Would be a bummer if the A7C series shutter continues with only EFCS or Electronic. The A1's electronic shutter is fast enough, but not the ones on non-stacked sensors that the A7CII and R look to inherit. Like you said, one of a few too many cut corners/compromises among others like a small EVF and fewer controls. The size difference ends up being not worth it for me.
I agree. Option for mechanical first curtain ensures proper rendering when shooting at high shutter speeds.
Fred Miranda wrote:
The prices seem a bit confusing.
SAR mentioned that the A7cII is priced at 2699 Euros and the A7cR at 3599 Euros.
In the US, there is rumor of the A7cII for $1699 and the A7cR for $2699, for the camera bodies alone.
That's 1K difference here. Maybe the real answer is somewhere in the middle!
A lot of the prices SAR first shares are a bit high. Its 100% deliberate, generates a ton of clicks and engagement from all the people whining about how its too much, blah, blah, blah... Just look at the comments on his posts. Its hilarious. Then the actual price allows for follow up "RUMOR: a7cII PRICE UPDATE" and "PRICE CONFIRMED" posts and videos. The reactions are just so predictable, its absolutely hilarious. I don't blame him, it's his time and money into the site, he should be able to cash in a bit for his efforts, even if it is an annoying link farm.
Anyway, I'll wait till it's released or when the actual price leaks across the web.
FMTopFan wrote:
This brings up a few questions for me:
1. Can EFCS be technically improved to the point that it doesn’t affect rendering?
2. Does full electronic shutter with fast readout, eg. A1 affect rendering?
3. Would Sony go fast readout for A7R6, or this will never happen to avoid cannibalizing A1 / A1 M2?
1: I don't think so as the problem comes from the shutter blades distance to the sensor (compared the the electronic "shutter" being part of the sensor.
I am looking forward to the A7CII, and will buy one.
The original A7C was great for size, and I hope that doesn't change much. The dedicated EC dial was useless to me, and in fact, was an annoyance. Having separate dials for SS and aperture is one of the main things that will attract me to the II version.
I read lots of complaints about the EVF on the original version, but this seems to be someone's pet peeve that has been repeated over and over. I find the current version's EVF to be perfectly fine.
A joystick to move the focus point would be nice, but I have adapted to the Sony system in that regard (I'm coming from Nikon).
Lastly, I am hoping that the II produces full size embedded JPGs in the ARW file for use when previewing in Photo Mechanic. Not being able to zoom to larger view makes culling files impossible, without going through the extra step of creating DNGs.
I want a small full-frame camera. If I wanted all the features of an A7V I'd buy that instead. I hope Sony doesn't try to stuff the A7C will so many features that it loses the small/llight characteristics.
FMTopFan wrote:
This brings up a few questions for me:
1. Can EFCS be technically improved to the point that it doesn’t affect rendering?
2. Does full electronic shutter with fast readout, eg. A1 affect rendering?
3. Would Sony go fast readout for A7R6, or this will never happen to avoid cannibalizing A1 / A1 M2?
1. Anything's possible, but I don't know that anyone's working on the problem. It's a fairly minor limitation and I wonder how many a7c owners are even aware of the issue. Or how many other model owners bother to turn off EFCS when they hit 1/1000 or faster.
2. Not in the same way. Rendering issues with electronic shutters, even on blazingly fast cameras, are all movement based, so it is possible to have no perceptible difference between fully-mechanical and electronic regardless of shutter speed, assuming you can limit all movement. The EFCS issue is persistent.
3. My magic eight-ball says no. It's frequently wrong, but my feeling is we'll see a 90MP+ non-stacked sensor in the rVI, because that's what the r line has been- a relatively slow stills oriented resolution monster.
Maybe the real answer is somewhere in the middle!