p.8 #1 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
Kasper6188 wrote:
Here's an example of a d850 file that I would say holds up near the extremes better than a Z8/9 file would. I left it noisy on purpose. Pretty heavy crop, iso3600, shadows pushed to 100. This detail retained in the shadows I just don't get out of the stacked sensor.
p.8 #2 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
All of these kinds of discussions would likely disappear if editing software removed the zoom buttons so people would focus on the images as they will be seen rather than pixel peeping and worrying about meaningless differences. Resist the Zoom...
p.8 #4 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
1bwana1 wrote:
All of these kinds of discussions would likely disappear if editing software removed the zoom buttons so people world focus on the images as they will be seen rather than pixel peeping and worrying about meaningless differences. Resist the Zoom...
It's not just magnifying into images to pixel peep though. Shooting wildlife sometimes requires me to crop in so I don't disturb my subject trying to fill the frame.
p.8 #7 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
curious80 wrote:
This does not mean that Z9 is getting more light, it just means that Z9 has a different tone curve
He's right, Dpreview messed up and exposed the Z9 about 1/2EV brighter. The Z8 is within 1/5EV though. Here's that comp at ISO 12,800 (the Z8 ISO 3200 file is corrupt in in their repository so I'm using ISO 12,800 instead), with RawDigger values for both the full image and color square.
p.8 #8 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
This thread has drilled down the deepest of holes haha. I think many people on this board absolutely loved the D850 when it arrived and many have very clean, incredible files with it. 95% of images should be with good exposure and not pixel-peeped, so making comparisons with high zooms and ISOs is like comparing the rubber mats of two cars when what matters is the body and what's under the hood.
The Z8 and Z9 smoke the D850 in shutter speed, AF, silent shooting, WYSIWYG, less / no fine tuning needed and lens selection.....all things that are under the hood and will help create better images. THAT'S what I really think of when I say the subject line of this thread is a bit silly and the world is leaving DSLRs behind for good reason. Appreciate the love towards the DSLRs still......my D500 was fun but the Z8 has opened more doors now.
p.8 #9 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
urbanwild wrote:
This thread has drilled down the deepest of holes haha. I think many people on this board absolutely loved the D850 when it arrived and many have very clean, incredible files with it. 95% of images should be with good exposure and not pixel-peeped, so making comparisons with high zooms and ISOs is like comparing the rubber mats of a car when what matters is the body and what's under the hood.
The Z8 and Z9 smoke the D850 in shutter speed, AF, silent shooting, WYSIWYG, less / no fine tuning needed and lens selection.....all things that are under the hood and will help create better images. THAT'S what I really think of when I say the subject line of this thread is a bit silly and the world is leaving DSLRs behind for good reason. Appreciate the love towards the DSLRs still......my D500 was fun but the Z8 has opened more doors now....Show more →
Agreed but sometimes that's what's required to separate nostalgia, selective memory, and any other cognitive biases from objective reality.
p.8 #10 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
urbanwild wrote:
This thread has drilled down the deepest of holes haha. I think many people on this board absolutely loved the D850 when it arrived and many have very clean, incredible files with it. 95% of images should be with good exposure and not pixel-peeped, so making comparisons with high zooms and ISOs is like comparing the rubber mats of two cars when what matters is the body and what's under the hood.
The Z8 and Z9 smoke the D850 in shutter speed, AF, silent shooting, WYSIWYG, less / no fine tuning needed and lens selection.....all things that are under the hood and will help create better images. THAT'S what I really think of when I say the subject line of this thread is a bit silly and the world is leaving DSLRs behind for good reason. Appreciate the love towards the DSLRs still......my D500 was fun but the Z8 has opened more doors now....Show more →
I went to a photography show recently and was reminded how many seniors are still holding on to their DSLR and are so afraid of change. I have an image of these people when I read people say "D850 have lower noise than Z9" because they're clearly hair splitting.
p.8 #11 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
ekam wrote:
I went to a photography show recently and was reminded how many seniors are still holding on to their DSLR and are so afraid of change. I have an image of these people when I read people say "D850 have lower noise than Z9" because they're clearly hair splitting.
Why would they not, if the older gear still works - it is paid for, and allows one to focus on photography. New gear requires spending more money that may not be economically rational or viable for many people. Especially considering how inexpensively one can get F-mount gear these days. It doesn't mean the people are senile, they could simply be frugal and practical. A lot of people on these forums spend money like there is no tomorrow, every year a new 600/4 or similar lens, and multiple systems etc. That's not how people behave outside of very small gear-oriented circles in their bubble which is quite different from the way most people live.
Of course it is natural to expect that if spending money, one would get better image quality in all aspects. If this is not the case then many people will simply resist spending money until a significant advance is realized. (In this case the Z lenses do make a significant image quality improvement for some types of photography, but getting those involves spending even more money, so again it is where the best value in terms of practical results is, and that is rarely with the latest and greatest gear.)
p.8 #12 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
I'm under 40 and still have my DSLR's, but at the same time I've been shooting mirrorless since like 2017. ekam wrote:
I went to a photography show recently and was reminded how many seniors are still holding on to their DSLR and are so afraid of change. I have an image of these people when I read people say "D850 have lower noise than Z9" because they're clearly hair splitting.
p.8 #13 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
urbanwild wrote:
This thread has drilled down the deepest of holes haha. I think many people on this board absolutely loved the D850 when it arrived and many have very clean, incredible files with it. 95% of images should be with good exposure and not pixel-peeped, so making comparisons with high zooms and ISOs is like comparing the rubber mats of two cars when what matters is the body and what's under the hood.
The Z8 and Z9 smoke the D850 in shutter speed, AF, silent shooting, WYSIWYG, less / no fine tuning needed and lens selection.....all things that are under the hood and will help create better images. THAT'S what I really think of when I say the subject line of this thread is a bit silly and the world is leaving DSLRs behind for good reason. Appreciate the love towards the DSLRs still......my D500 was fun but the Z8 has opened more doors now....Show more →
I agree with this 100% even down to the subject line of the thread. That was more of a poorly executed attention grabber I shoot with them all and honestly use a z8/9 for 80% or more of my shooting. This was literally me sifting through the finest of maidens hair in pixel form. Nothing more than being bored at night
p.8 #14 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
The Z8 and Z9 smoke the D850 in shutter speed, AF, silent shooting, WYSIWYG, less / no fine tuning needed and lens selection.....all things that are under the hood and will help create better images. THAT'S what I really think of when I say the subject line of this thread is a bit silly and the world is leaving DSLRs behind for good reason. Appreciate the love towards the DSLRs still......my D500 was fun but the Z8 has opened more doors now.
I see your point, but, just gotta say, the one thing my Z8 can't do that my D500 can, is achieve instant eye focus on any critters
within 300 yards at the very same instant when fired, no extra set up needed. The hair on the necks of any togs within 20 yards stand on end at the same time. Priceless!
p.8 #16 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
The horse is dead.
FTR, I am a senior who embraced mirrorless once the finder got sorted and am still buying and selling gear, upgrading and fine-tuning my kit. The improvements have helped me get more, better images than before, but I freely admit I’ve made stunning images with most of it, even going back to film — newer doesn’t guarantee excellence, it only helps one get there perhaps more easily.
p.8 #17 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
No, the horse is not dead,
The following comment is not directed at sjms. I have known him for a long time and I respect all the points he makes. I do not know you gear-nut but still you have not been abrasive and that is appreciated.
My following comment is not directed toward anyone I have in mind. I see it as the same old problem: People cannot wait to give their opinions but they neglected to READ THE ORIGINAL POST BY THE OP.
There should have been a correction made when people started posting comments unrelated to the OP's opening point. And that was probably because they did not read the OP's opening themselves. They probably read a comment or two above their imminent post and then they posted. Just a guess.
Frankly *we did not want your opinions on anything else but the sensor*.... the sensor.... the sensor.
Yes, of course my Z8 is superior to my D850 in so many ways. IMO. Nikon grossly exaggerated what D850 could do in video. Deceptive? I don't know. But I used it for years on basins still/vids of loon........ until the pro-grade Z8 came along. To be fair to you Nikon, I made a lot of mistakes. trying to video Common loons (my work!) with the D850. I love my Z8... it is a super-exciting camera that does both (vids/stills) and now I just need to keep learning it
According to DXO, my D850's sensor is rated at 100, while my Z8 sensor is rated at 98. That is the only point I was making. There is NO subjectivity to this.
p.8 #18 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
Okay, the horse isn't dead, but everybody has taken their turn beating it
In my case, the D850 is an irrelevant option because most of my glass is now native Z mount. If I found enough fault with my stacked Z9 sensor, I could (and would) buy back a Z7ii -- but I don't and thus so far am not interested in going backwards from the gains the stacked sensor provides.
But I respect others desires to shoot whatever pleases them for whatever reasons.
Finally, I did read the OP's post and frankly he started it off with pretty aggressive and adamant posturing about his position being the only correct one, and that posture is probably what garnered a few of the more abrasive replies.
I think the real answer to this entire thread is, if the difference matters to YOU, then by all means continue! But at the same time, don't try and convince me that my choice is flawed for MY uses. Can we agree on that?
p.8 #20 · D850 still takes a better picture than z8/9, change my mind.
HEADED A LITTLE WAYS UP THE MAINE COAST. TIDE LOW AT 4ISH. WANTED TO RESPOND TO YOU FIRST. I AM MOST SURPRISED AT WHY YOU WERE EVER OFFENDED BY WHAT I WROTE IN MY LAST POST. DID NOT MEAN TO DO THAT.
MY RESPONSES ARE. IN CAPS. DO YOU KNOW THE BEST WAY TO MAKE RESPONSES INSIDE THE QUOTED AREA.
gear-nut wrote:
Okay, the horse isn't dead, but everybody has taken their turn beating it
YOU DID NOT READ MY LAST. POST BEYOND "THE HORSE IS NOT DEAD". I REGRET WRITIING. IT BECAUSE IT OFFENDED YOU.
WHAT WAS MY ONE SINGLE. POINT?
In my case, the D850 is an irrelevant option because most of my glass is now native Z mount. If I found enough fault with my stacked Z9 sensor, I could (and would) buy back a Z7ii -- but I don't and thus so far am not interested in going backwards from the gains the stacked sensor provides.
But I respect others desires to shoot whatever pleases them for whatever reasons.
I NEVER SUGGESTED TO YOU OR ANYONE TO GO BACK TO THE D850.
Finally, I did read the OP's post and frankly he started it off with pretty aggressive and adamant posturing about his position being the only correct one, and that posture is probably what garnered a few of the more abrasive replies.
"FRANKLY HE STARTED IT OFF WITH PRETTY AGGRESSIVE AND ADAMANT POSTURING ABOUT HIS. POSITION BEING THE ONLY CORRECT ON"
THE EXACT OPPOSITE IS TRUE OF THE NATURE OF THE OP'S POST. *HE WAS ASKING TO BE CONVINCED OTHERWISE*
THANKS FOR THE INSULT AT THE END. IT WAS UNCALLED FOR.
AGAIN! YOU HAVE STILL NOT RECOGNIZED MY POINT. NOTICE I DID NOT SAY YOU MISSED IT. YOU SAW IT ALRIGHT, BUT YOU HAVE STILL REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT. AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN...... I HAVE NOT TRIED TO CONVINCE YOU THAT YOUR CHOICE WAS FLAWED.
SO, NO, UNTIL YOU ACKNOWLEDGE MY ONLY POINT IN MY LAST THREAD........ WE CAN NEVER AGREE. I THINK WHEN YOU ACKNOWLEDGE MY ONLY POINT THAT I MADE.......... WE CAN GET ONTO THE RIGHT PATH
THE CHOICE IS YOURS.
I think the real answer to this entire thread is, if the difference matters to YOU, then by all means continue! But at the same time, don't try and convince me that my choice is flawed for MY uses. Can we agree on that? ...Show more →
I shoot with them all and honestly use a z8/9 for 80% or more of my shooting. This was literally me sifting through the finest of maidens hair in pixel form. Nothing more than being bored at night 
