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I could use a little help here. Thanks in advance

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Dec 09, 2022 at 09:10 PM
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I’m not a real photographer, nor ever even played one on television. But here’s a rainy day snapshot, below.





  ILCE-7RM5    FE 135mm F1.8 GM lens    135mm    f/1.8    1/1000s    800 ISO    0.0 EV  

Dec 09, 2022 at 09:14 PM
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I guessed that lens than I looked that's a sony 135 alright. Nice
Dec 09, 2022 at 09:18 PM
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Some things I really am looking forward too is the AF tracking, it sounds like I won't lose people when they turn on me. Maybe my top 5 reasons to go for it. Second is I can still use electronic shutter with minimum roll in APSC mode that might have sold me right there(credit to someone on this thread that mentioned that). 3 is im back to 61mpx which I like to test lenses but hey 50mpx was good too. Lens stabilization was up there . Finding out it did have anti flicker and variable shutter which are only on
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"Sony A7R V autofocus, AI, subject detection"

Check out this A7rV Auto focus, AI scrutiny starting at the 16:58 mark in the Video. Pretty much spells out the good and the less than perfect--but even at the less than perfect, not sure we can call these slight misses "not good" and I'm sure this will improve with firmware over time.

This looks like it could help improve hit rates on your catwalk projects. But better than the A1's other attributes is the question...

Also what I learned from this video is that we get CDAF only in the borders of the frame--I guess I hadn't realized that previously but also not in the habit of placing action in the borders of the frame intentionally---but good to know regardless and never say never, particularly shooting motocross or other high action events.

A7rV AI AF "Better than the A7rIV, but not better overall than the Canon R5"--Gordon. He also feels the new A7rV AI AF is less automated than what he hoped, meaning still have to push a lot buttons to select AI subjects rather than like the Canon AI auto-subject recognition.

https://youtu.be/Igay_6_KFNg
Dec 10, 2022 at 07:35 AM
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I will watch that

Ordered a 5th battery . Folks are saying it drains fast I wonder if it’s from new batteries as the need to get optimized after a few uses
Dec 10, 2022 at 08:15 AM
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LBJ2 wrote:
GMPhotography wroteSome things I really am looking forward too is the AF tracking, it sounds like I won't lose people when they turn on me. Maybe my top 5 reasons to go for it. Second is I can still use electronic shutter with minimum roll in APSC mode that might have sold me right there(credit to someone on this thread that mentioned that). 3 is im back to 61mpx which I like to test lenses but hey 50mpx was good too. Lens stabilization was up there . Finding out it did have anti flicker and variable shutter which are only on the newest models A9II, A1 its on my A7rV as well. Im in heaven on that one. Fighting LED banding is tough enough. Lower mechanical noise on shutter. Same setup as my A7IV with buttons, and placements. I may not even know what camera I have in my hands. I love that sameness. I love the top right dial now's I can put focus area on that and lock it down. See I did my homework.

Plus some other things . The one thing I lost was 1/400 flash sync. But not the biggest deal. One thing I realized was full HDMI input which when I shoot live in ballroom I may not need my computer and be tethered I can just go to ballroom HDMI production booth for big screens. That alone maybe huge for me. I will have more to talk about Tuesday. It's coming in hot like overnight. I also saved the tax man . Plus I am at less financial risk . Drove me crazy when I had Medium Format Phase backs. Thats a lot of money to hit the deck

Important but my A1 is going to a nice member and I like its finding a new home. I did love that cam, no question but Mama wanted new shoes too. Happy wife happy life.
"Sony A7R V autofocus, AI, subject detection"

Check out this A7rV Auto focus, AI scrutiny starting at the 16:58 mark in the Video. Pretty much spells out the good and the less than perfect--but even at the less than perfect, not sure we can call these slight misses "not good" and I'm sure this will improve with firmware over time.

This looks like it could help improve hit rates on your catwalk projects. But better than the A1's other attributes is the question...

Also what I learned from this video is that we get CDAF only in the borders of the frame--I
...Show more →

"A7rV AI AF "Better than the A7rIV, but not better overall than the Canon R5"--Gordon. He also feels the new A7rV AI AF is less automated than what he hoped, meaning still have to push a lot buttons to select AI subjects rather than like the Canon AI auto-subject recognition."

Maybe just me but I would rather be the one telling the camera on a specific thing that I want it in focus. If you have a person, car, and animal in the shot for example I wouldn't want the camera deciding which I want in focus.
Dec 10, 2022 at 08:18 AM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I will watch that

Ordered a 5th battery . Folks are saying it drains fast I wonder if it’s from new batteries as the need to get optimized after a few uses


Yes, I does drain faster than the Riv and A1 for sure.
Dec 10, 2022 at 08:20 AM
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
LBJ2 wrote
GMPhotography wroteSome things I really am looking forward too is the AF tracking, it sounds like I won't lose people when they turn on me. Maybe my top 5 reasons to go for it. Second is I can still use electronic shutter with minimum roll in APSC mode that might have sold me right there(credit to someone on this thread that mentioned that). 3 is im back to 61mpx which I like to test lenses but hey 50mpx was good too. Lens stabilization was up there . Finding out it did have anti flicker and variable shutter which are only on the newest models A9II, A1 its on my A7rV as well. Im in heaven on that one. Fighting LED banding is tough enough. Lower mechanical noise on shutter. Same setup as my A7IV with buttons, and placements. I may not even know what camera I have in my hands. I love that sameness. I love the top right dial now's I can put focus area on that and lock it down. See I did my homework.

Plus some other things . The one thing I lost was 1/400 flash sync. But not the biggest deal. One thing I realized was full HDMI input which when I shoot live in ballroom I may not need my computer and be tethered I can just go to ballroom HDMI production booth for big screens. That alone maybe huge for me. I will have more to talk about Tuesday. It's coming in hot like overnight. I also saved the tax man . Plus I am at less financial risk . Drove me crazy when I had Medium Format Phase backs. Thats a lot of money to hit the deck

Important but my A1 is going to a nice member and I like its finding a new home. I did love that cam, no question but Mama wanted new shoes too. Happy wife happy life.
"Sony A7R V autofocus, AI, subject detection"

Check out this A7rV Auto focus, AI scrutiny starting at the 16:58 mark in the Video. Pretty much spells out the good and the less than perfect--but even at the less than perfect, not sure we can call these slight misses "not good" and I'm sure this will improve with firmware over time.

This looks like it could help improve hit rates on your catwalk projects. But better than the A1's other attributes is the question...

Also what I learned from this video is that we get CDAF only in the borders of the frame--I guess I hadn't realized that previously but also not in the habit of placing action in the borders of the frame intentionally---but good to know regardless and never say never, particularly shooting motocross or other high action events.

A7rV AI AF "Better than the A7rIV, but not better overall than the Canon R5"--Gordon. He also feels the new A7rV AI AF is less automated than what he hoped, meaning still have to push a lot buttons to select AI subjects rather than like the Canon AI auto-subject recognition.

https://youtu.be/Igay_6_KFNg
"A7rV AI AF "Better than the A7rIV, but not better overall than the Canon R5"--Gordon. He also feels the new A7rV AI AF is less automated than what he hoped, meaning still have to push a lot buttons to select AI subjects rather than like the Canon AI auto-subject recognition."

Maybe just me but I would rather be the one telling the camera on a specific thing that I want it in focus. If you have a person, car, and animal in the shot for example I wouldn't want the camera deciding which I want in focus.


I think many of us prefer to control our AF points for the most part.

However there are times when I forget to go into the menus and change from Animal Eye AF back to Human Eye AF. This has caught me a few times already when I noticed Human EyeAF was not as responsive/accurate as it should be. In this scenario I would prefer the Canon approach--Eye AF knows it's a human or animal. Maybe a small thing, and who knows I've not yet seen a direct comparison to see how accurate Canon Auto aware AI approach is by comparison.
Dec 10, 2022 at 08:24 AM
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p.44 #9Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Just quick test of bird eye AF outside my front door These are just a couple KB's but came from 16mp files from the 70-350 on the RV. The full 16mp files I'm very happy with.

Edit: I made a test page on flicker so you can see them in better detail.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/161783443@N06/albums/72177720304356239/with/52554048172/
















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Dec 10, 2022 at 08:50 AM
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Something we will have to test out and see . I don't care about whoever Canon does though as I will never switch back.
Dec 10, 2022 at 08:51 AM
 


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white wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
GMPhotography wrote
j4nu wrote
tsdevine wroteNo argument, seems like an easy feature to implement. Maybe Sony will implement it some day.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves with Sony. It might sound trivial, but when you get back from shooting just to find some shots ruined by EFCS-bokeh, it can really get on your nerves. It happens even to the pro-reviewrs out there from time to time.
On the other hand, this weird Sony policy makes A1 look better in this regard .
It's sad that Sony ignores feature sets that get talked about quite often and really are just a firmware away. Why and we all have seen this over the years so I do not expect any upgrades in firmware. I know we ask but it rarely happens. My theory buy the cam that makes sense today and not what you hope for from Sony. Best advice I can give after what now Oct. 15, 2013 since the A7R. I bought the A7r day one.
"buy the cam that makes sense today and not what you hope for from Sony"

Good advice ! Camera's are a weird business where for some reason people "expect" updates after the sale. Or if a new feature is introduced they expect say a higher priced body to instantly get that feature. Bug fixes make sense of course. Also if the company tells you up front something will be added. But adding new features that were just not there when you bought the camera I just never understood the complaining. I understand the disappointment/frustration but very few other industries give you upgrades for free after you buy something knowing full well what it has and has not. There is always going to be something new in any newer camera release. If not no one would ever upgrade. Delaying my departure for NY till my dang UPS guy shows up with my RV
Cameras are now electronics equipment. We expect upgrades to our Macs and iPhones.
Buy a Samsung then you will not need updates
If it doesn't come with what you want that's no ones fault but your own. There are so many good camera's across brands it's just ludicrous to buy a camera that doesn't meet your needs then complain about not getting an update

There always has to be someone with an obtuse comment.
Dec 10, 2022 at 08:59 AM
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
Just quick test of bird eye AF outside my front door These are just a couple KB's but came from 16mp files from the 70-350 on the RV. The full 16mp files I'm very happy with.


That 70-350 looks alright! Would you recommend it?
Dec 10, 2022 at 09:04 AM
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Dultimate wrote:
nhsonyshooter wroteJust quick test of bird eye AF outside my front door These are just a couple KB's but came from 16mp files from the 70-350 on the RV. The full 16mp files I'm very happy with.
That 70-350 looks alright! Would you recommend it?


PM me and I can send you the 16mp files which look way better for you to judge This lens was another reason I was excited about the better IBIS in the RV. I have had the 200-600 and 100-400 plus 1.4 and 2x converters. All great lenses and options but soo big in comparison. This small 70-350 with the Riv & RV sensor is a great pairing for me. I love the small/compact nature and it is actually really sharp. You can't tell by these small files we have to post here but In my opinion is a lens that doesn't get enough love.

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Dec 10, 2022 at 09:07 AM
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Looks nice and sharp . I have a ton of Canadian Geese out my back door. Im on a golf course , maybe I will go pick a few off. . Wait I can't do that I need my A1 for that stuff. Okay bad joke

Actually in all seriousness once I upgrade my 70-200 Version II for the A7rV that maybe a good test . There like 50 yards out my back gate
Dec 10, 2022 at 09:10 AM
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GMPhotography wrote:
Looks nice and sharp . I have a ton of Canadian Geese out my back door. Im on a golf course , maybe I will go pick a few off. . Wait I can't do that I need my A1 for that stuff. Okay bad joke

Actually in all seriousness once I upgrade my 70-200 Version II for the A7rV that maybe a good test . There like 50 yards out my back gate


When I upgraded the GM 70-200II to be more compatible with the A7rV's new IBIS system when that firmware first came out, I had no idea/intention back then to ever buy the A7rV. Maybe Fate knew something I didn't at the time 😎

GM 70-200 ver II is a BEAUTIFUL 70-200. Every time I scroll through some of my event catalogs from late last year, the ver II portraits always catch my eye and I stop and pixel peep of course. For an event zoom, the GM 70-200 VII is gold!
Dec 10, 2022 at 09:36 AM
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LBJ2 wrote:
GMPhotography wroteLooks nice and sharp . I have a ton of Canadian Geese out my back door. Im on a golf course , maybe I will go pick a few off. . Wait I can't do that I need my A1 for that stuff. Okay bad joke

Actually in all seriousness once I upgrade my 70-200 Version II for the A7rV that maybe a good test . There like 50 yards out my back gate
When I upgraded the GM 70-200II to be more compatible with the A7rV's new IBIS system when that firmware first came out, I had no idea/intention back then to ever buy the A7rV. Maybe Fate knew something I didn't at the time 😎

GM 70-200 ver II is a BEAUTIFUL 70-200. Every time I scroll through some of my event catalogs from late last year, the ver II portraits always catch my eye and I stop and pixel peep of course. For an event zoom, the GM 70-200 VII is gold!


We have both been around forever and like you Im sure we tried them all in all brands no less. There simply is not a better 70-200 that I have used. Its a brilliant lens and I may never sell it.
Dec 10, 2022 at 09:40 AM
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Sorry If I missed this somewhere...But what Sony lenses are capable of up to the A7rV's 8-stop IBIS?

I already know about the lenses that were recently firmware updated for this purpose:
FE 24-105mm F4 G OSS
FE 200-600mm F5.6-6.3 G OSS
FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II

Is there a list somewhere of the other Sony lenses capable of up to the A7rV's 8-stop IBIS? Thanks!
Dec 10, 2022 at 01:05 PM
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The GM 70-200 VII is that great? In what areas did they improve the already stellar GM 70-200 VI that Sony released in 2031 😬

LBJ2 wrote:
(snip) For an event zoom, the GM 70-200 VII is gold!

Dec 10, 2022 at 01:35 PM
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I don't know about other canon cameras, but Canon R5 does not have auto subject selection. You need to select people, animals, and vehicles. To my knowledge only Nikon Z9 has full auto mode.

nhsonyshooter wrote:
LBJ2 wrote
GMPhotography wroteSome things I really am looking forward too is the AF tracking, it sounds like I won't lose people when they turn on me. Maybe my top 5 reasons to go for it. Second is I can still use electronic shutter with minimum roll in APSC mode that might have sold me right there(credit to someone on this thread that mentioned that). 3 is im back to 61mpx which I like to test lenses but hey 50mpx was good too. Lens stabilization was up there . Finding out it did have anti flicker and variable shutter which are only on the newest models A9II, A1 its on my A7rV as well. Im in heaven on that one. Fighting LED banding is tough enough. Lower mechanical noise on shutter. Same setup as my A7IV with buttons, and placements. I may not even know what camera I have in my hands. I love that sameness. I love the top right dial now's I can put focus area on that and lock it down. See I did my homework.

Plus some other things . The one thing I lost was 1/400 flash sync. But not the biggest deal. One thing I realized was full HDMI input which when I shoot live in ballroom I may not need my computer and be tethered I can just go to ballroom HDMI production booth for big screens. That alone maybe huge for me. I will have more to talk about Tuesday. It's coming in hot like overnight. I also saved the tax man . Plus I am at less financial risk . Drove me crazy when I had Medium Format Phase backs. Thats a lot of money to hit the deck

Important but my A1 is going to a nice member and I like its finding a new home. I did love that cam, no question but Mama wanted new shoes too. Happy wife happy life.
"Sony A7R V autofocus, AI, subject detection"

Check out this A7rV Auto focus, AI scrutiny starting at the 16:58 mark in the Video. Pretty much spells out the good and the less than perfect--but even at the less than perfect, not sure we can call these slight misses "not good" and I'm sure this will improve with firmware over time.

This looks like it could help improve hit rates on your catwalk projects. But better than the A1's other attributes is the question...

Also what I learned from this video is that we get CDAF only in the borders of the frame--I guess I hadn't realized that previously but also not in the habit of placing action in the borders of the frame intentionally---but good to know regardless and never say never, particularly shooting motocross or other high action events.

A7rV AI AF "Better than the A7rIV, but not better overall than the Canon R5"--Gordon. He also feels the new A7rV AI AF is less automated than what he hoped, meaning still have to push a lot buttons to select AI subjects rather than like the Canon AI auto-subject recognition.

https://youtu.be/Igay_6_KFNg
"A7rV AI AF "Better than the A7rIV, but not better overall than the Canon R5"--Gordon. He also feels the new A7rV AI AF is less automated than what he hoped, meaning still have to push a lot buttons to select AI subjects rather than like the Canon AI auto-subject recognition."

Maybe just me but I would rather be the one telling the camera on a specific thing that I want it in focus. If you have a person, car, and animal in the shot for example I wouldn't want the camera deciding which I want in focus.

Dec 10, 2022 at 01:47 PM
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p.44 #20Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/new-firmware-updated-adds-a7rv-compatibility-on-four-lenses/amp/

You forgot the 100-400gm

LBJ2 wrote:
Sorry If I missed this somewhere...But what Sony lenses are capable of up to the A7rV's 8-stop IBIS?

I already know about the lenses that were recently firmware updated for this purpose:
FE 24-105mm F4 G OSS
FE 200-600mm F5.6-6.3 G OSS
FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II

Is there a list somewhere of the other Sony lenses capable of up to the A7rV's 8-stop IBIS? Thanks!

Dec 10, 2022 at 02:09 PM


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