p.11 #1 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
SeattleDucks wrote:
While we wait for shipping info coming later this month, here's some good words about Z9 ergonomics from a different forum photog who just tried it out:
“It was amazing. First thing I'll say is, it's not nearly as big or heavy as people on here often make it out. Everyone in the store noted that.
Using the 50mm 1.2 or the 14-24 2.8 on the Z9 felt amazing. They felt perfectly balanced. It was significantly more comfortable than using the Z6 II that was next to it.
I definitely want to stress to people who were holding off for a lesser camera because of the size and grip, you definitely owe it to yourself to actually handle one for yourself before you make a decision. I don't think anyone around me owned a D5 or D6, but everyone talked about how great it felt to hold one.“...Show more →
If the "official" weight is correct, a fully loaded Z9 is 2.95 pounds versus a D6 at 3.25 pounds so anyone expecting a dinky little Nikon pro mirrorless body may have to wait.
The D6 is a big camera if you are not used to lugging one around for awhile as I have so the few ounces lighter weight of a Z9 won't even be noticed.
Nikon says 20 percent smaller but must include dimensions and weight?
p.11 #2 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
leewoolery wrote:
If the "official" weight is correct, a fully loaded Z9 is 2.95 pounds versus a D6 at 3.25 pounds so anyone expecting a dinky little Nikon pro mirrorless body may have to wait.
The D6 is a big camera if you are not used to lugging one around for awhile as I have so the few ounces lighter weight of a Z9 won't even be noticed.
Nikon says 20 percent smaller but must include dimensions and weight?
The professional wildlife photographer Brad Hill who is used to lugging around the same flagship cameras that you do also noted similar things about the excellent ergonomics of the Z9, saying it feels lighter and smaller than what the specs say.
p.11 #3 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
There is just one Z9 dimension I am asking myself about, and it will only be resolved when I open the boxes and get the camera into my hands. That's the depth of the grip; i.e. how deep can my long fingers get down into the inside of that grip before they reach the body? My D850 has been deep enough.
I'm convinced that I'll not mind the Z9's weight and size. In fact, I know I'll prefer it. A removable grip (filled with charged Sanyo AA batteries) has lived on my D850 and continues so. I like a camera with significant mass.
I'm keeping my D850. First, I prefer large files; 45 mpx is ideal for me. And if reducing mass/weight is "a must", and the Z9 features are not, I'll remove the D850's grip and head out the door.
Also, I'm expecting a greater % of very sharp keepers with the Z9, simply because of the Z9's mass and the mirrorless camera's elimination of vibration.
btw, when I open any box now, there is always a video going. Long story on that one
p.11 #4 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
SeattleDucks wrote:
While we wait for shipping info coming later this month, here's some good words about Z9 ergonomics from a different forum photog who just tried it out:
“It was amazing. First thing I'll say is, it's not nearly as big or heavy as people on here often make it out. Everyone in the store noted that.
Using the 50mm 1.2 or the 14-24 2.8 on the Z9 felt amazing. They felt perfectly balanced. It was significantly more comfortable than using the Z6 II that was next to it.
I definitely want to stress to people who were holding off for a lesser camera because of the size and grip, you definitely owe it to yourself to actually handle one for yourself before you make a decision. I don't think anyone around me owned a D5 or D6, but everyone talked about how great it felt to hold one.“...Show more →
I agree that everyone should feel the size and weight for themselves. This is going to be a big issue for many. There is no right or wrong on this because it definitely is a matter of personal preference. It will also likely depend on what you are used to shooting.
I have had the chance to shoot the Z9, and the A1 each with the same category lens from each system. The differences are stark, and significant.
Sony a1 with the 50mm f/1.2 GM total weight 3.3 lbs, and the 70-200 f/2.8 GM total weight 3.9 lbs.
Nikon Z9 with 50mm f/1.2 S total weight 5.3 lbs, and the 70-200 f/2.8 S 5.9 lbs.
With each setup the Z9 was about 2 lbs and about 60% heavier, and at least equally bulkier.
To put this in perspective, that is about the same weight difference percentage as between a Porsche GT3 and a Ford F-150 pickup truck. It is significant and can not really be minimized.
There are some (many?) who will prefer the heavier, bulkier, form factor of the Z9. That is a valid choice for them to make, and it is good that the market is now offering them that choice. Overall, it will not be the choice of the vast majority of the ILC camera market. This has been well proven from relative sales numbers in the DSLR market. The Dx sized cameras sales are historically much smaller than the other size categories.
Do as SeattleDuck suggests. Go out and try each system for yourself. It is the only way to know which is best for your own use.
The good news for Nikon shooters is that it looks to me more likely that Nikon will come out with a smaller, lighter, high performance, mirrorless camera body than it is for Sony to come out with an integrated grip form factor camera.
p.11 #5 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
1bwana1 wrote:
I agree that everyone should feel the size and weight for themselves. This is going to be a big issue for many. There is no right or wrong on this because it definitely is a matter of personal preference. It will also likely depend on what you are used to shooting.
I have had the chance to shoot the Z9, and the A1 each with the same category lens from each system. The differences are stark, and significant.
Sony a1 with the 50mm f/1.2 GM total weight 3.3 lbs, and the 70-200 f/2.8 GM total weight 3.9 lbs.
Nikon Z9 with 50mm f/1.2 S total weight 5.3 lbs, and the 70-200 f/2.8 S 5.9 lbs.
With each setup the Z9 was about 2 lbs and about 60% heavier, and at least equally bulkier.
To put this in perspective, that is about the same weight difference percentage as between a Porsche GT3 and a Ford F-150 pickup truck. It is significant and can not really be minimized.
There are some (many?) who will prefer the heavier, bulkier, form factor of the Z9. That is a valid choice for them to make, and it is good that the market is now offering them that choice. Overall, it will not be the choice of the vast majority of the ILC camera market. This has been well proven from relative sales numbers in the DSLR market. The Dx sized cameras sales are historically much smaller than the other size categories.
Do as SeattleDuck suggests. Go out and try each system for yourself. It is the only way to know which is best for your own use.
The good news for Nikon shooters is that it looks to me more likely that Nikon will come out with a smaller, lighter, high performance, mirrorless camera body than it is for Sony to come out with an integrated grip form factor camera....Show more →
That last sentence is interesting, and I guess true. While you're here.... what was in that hat box?
p.11 #9 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
1bwana1 wrote:
I agree that everyone should feel the size and weight for themselves. This is going to be a big issue for many. There is no right or wrong on this because it definitely is a matter of personal preference. It will also likely depend on what you are used to shooting.
I have had the chance to shoot the Z9, and the A1 each with the same category lens from each system. The differences are stark, and significant.
Sony a1 with the 50mm f/1.2 GM total weight 3.3 lbs, and the 70-200 f/2.8 GM total weight 3.9 lbs.
Nikon Z9 with 50mm f/1.2 S total weight 5.3 lbs, and the 70-200 f/2.8 S 5.9 lbs.
With each setup the Z9 was about 2 lbs and about 60% heavier, and at least equally bulkier.
To put this in perspective, that is about the same weight difference percentage as between a Porsche GT3 and a Ford F-150 pickup truck. It is significant and can not really be minimized.
There are some (many?) who will prefer the heavier, bulkier, form factor of the Z9. That is a valid choice for them to make, and it is good that the market is now offering them that choice. Overall, it will not be the choice of the vast majority of the ILC camera market. This has been well proven from relative sales numbers in the DSLR market. The Dx sized cameras sales are historically much smaller than the other size categories.
Do as SeattleDuck suggests. Go out and try each system for yourself. It is the only way to know which is best for your own use.
The good news for Nikon shooters is that it looks to me more likely that Nikon will come out with a smaller, lighter, high performance, mirrorless camera body than it is for Sony to come out with an integrated grip form factor camera....Show more →
Integrated grip cameras are historically much more expensive then non- integrated grip cameras. Sometimes twice as much. I have a feeling that drives down demand more than size.
Also, non-integrated grip DSLRs had a nice medium size to them. For many, including myself, mirrorless cameras without integrated grips are just too small. So, I think the Z9 size factor might be enjoyed by many.
That said, if I were hiking, I would not want to lug around a Z9. But, I would not want to lug around a Z7 either.
p.11 #10 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
Why do people obsess about a couple ounces of gear weight, but ignore those excess pounds of bodyweight we all carry around without a thought? If you are worried about weight go on a diet. It's cheaper and healthier.
Within reason, I prefer heavier cameras/lens. The larger mass is more stable and resistant to movement when releasing the shutter. Same concept is seen in target guns.
p.11 #11 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
gdsf2 wrote:
Weird question gets even weirder response.
pancrasemma wrote:
Why do people obsess about a couple ounces of gear weight,
but ignore those excess pounds of bodyweight we all carry around without a though
again .. that is awesome. However, the advantage of removal grip is undeniable.
Initially, I made fun of how small the a1 is and how significant the z9 felt in hand.
I now shoot with the a1 without grip when I have a small lens mounted and use a grip for telephotos.
However, the process of removing and attaching grips gets old really quick so I think I'll appreciate the integrated grip more.
p.11 #12 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
pancrasemma wrote:
Why do people obsess about a couple ounces of gear weight, but ignore those excess pounds of bodyweight we all carry around without a thought? If you are worried about weight go on a diet. It's cheaper and healthier.
Within reason, I prefer heavier cameras/lens. The larger mass is more stable and resistant to movement when releasing the shutter. Same concept is seen in target guns.
Airlines care a lot more about the weight of my bag than the weight of me. I'm absolutely in the pro-body camp and waiting for my Z9 but I'm all for stuff getting a bit lighter, especially Nikon's telephoto lenses.
p.11 #13 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
pancrasemma wrote:
Why do people obsess about a couple ounces of gear weight, but ignore those excess pounds of bodyweight we all carry around without a thought? If you are worried about weight go on a diet. It's cheaper and healthier.
Within reason, I prefer heavier cameras/lens. The larger mass is more stable and resistant to movement when releasing the shutter. Same concept is seen in target guns.
It is not a few ounces, it is pounds. That is significant for many. Moving more mass takes more energy. That is physics and it is a noticeable difference for most people.
Haven't you heard, shutters are old technology. That is a big claim for the Z9.
New technologies like IBIS are replacing mass as a stability advantage.
Same with triggers compared to energy weapons. Agility is now more important than mass.
p.11 #14 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
I always used a gripped body. I feel Non grip body are too small in my hands. Nothing will please everybody. I am glad that the z9 has an integrated grip. Can't wait. Even sony made their last camera bigger because people complain about the size
p.11 #15 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
pancrasemma wrote:
Why do people obsess about a couple ounces of gear weight, but ignore those excess pounds of bodyweight we all carry around without a thought? If you are worried about weight go on a diet. It's cheaper and healthier.
Within reason, I prefer heavier cameras/lens. The larger mass is more stable and resistant to movement when releasing the shutter. Same concept is seen in target guns.
Exactly.... and thank you
And you make an excellent point about the body weight.
The mass of the Z9, coupled with it being mirrorless and shutterless, will equate to sharper images.
p.11 #16 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
1bwana1 wrote:
It is not a few ounces, it is pounds. That is significant for many. Moving more mass takes more energy. That is physics and it is a noticeable difference for most people.
Haven't you heard, shutters are old technology. That is a big claim for the Z9.
New technologies like IBIS are replacing mass as a stability advantage.
Same with triggers compared to energy weapons. Agility is now more important than mass.
Same as BMI as you pointed out.
Good point about IBIS. I will definitely like that too
p.11 #18 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
As has been mentioned, it is all subjective. I owned two different Sony full frame mirrorless models and hated the ergonomics of both (but I liked the feel of my Sony A900 DSLR many years ago). I love the ergonomics of the integrated grip flagship models and Nikons in particular. I had nothing to do with the Z9 design but I am so glad it is what Nikon chose. Some others feel the direct opposite of me, good for them, everyone has a choice including switching to Sony or Canon if one so desires. Brand comparisons and wars bore the crap out of me.
p.11 #20 · Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
I'm looking as if not more forward to my call to B&H on Wednesday just to see if I'm on "the list". If not I'll just move the mark on my calendar to mid late January and start all over
