The Leica T and the Leica TL2 also have internal memory (16MB resp 32MB).
I have to say I hardly use it. I am so used to always having a memory card in my cameras that most of the time I completely forget about the internal memory...
Still a nice feature though, and it doesn't get in the way if you don't use it.
retrofocus wrote:
It is a time saver if you ever experienced the camera mounted on a tripod and the battery draining just at this moment. Not only you have to unmount the camera from the position on the tripod, but you have to also remove the tripod plate to be able to remove the camera baseplate. Only then you have access to battery and SD card. This situation occurred already twice to me in one year since I have my M-E 240.
The only advantage I see with the baseplate is that it avoids a flimsy plastic cover like Sony uses on my A7R to remove the battery. I hope the new cover will not just be a plasticky thing - it shouldn't for the price the M11 will go for. ...Show more →
Never experienced that. I make sure when I leave to have a full battery charge and I guess doubly so if I’m going to use a tripod. To be fair I hardly ever use a tripod…
flash wrote:
Again, using the RRS plate not only avoids this, it’s quicker than some other systems. You can actually leave the camera on the tripod and remove it leaving the plate in place if you want. It’s also going to make things like the grip baseplate add size and inconvenience.
I like the current baseplate. Actually I also wished it had the built in thumb grip from the M-D. Didn’t get that either.
Gordon
retrofocus wrote:
It's just subjective, but I never bought into RRS stuff. And these base plates go for > $200.....
Perhaps your loss then. I didn't buy the RRS plate (in my case for the M240) because it was RRS, but because of the added utility of having an Arca-Swiss compatible baseplate. Whether Leica or RRS, it has to be removed to access the battery and memory card, so it might as well have the grooves for easy use on a tripod (which I use with the M240 more than I initially thought I would). Plus it's really solidly made and saves the stock baseplate from being marred, so perhaps when reselling the camera, some of the money spent on the RRS baseplate can be recouped. And it too can be sold to recoup some of its initial cost.
rscheffler wrote:
Perhaps your loss then. I didn't buy the RRS plate (in my case for the M240) because it was RRS, but because of the added utility of having an Arca-Swiss compatible baseplate. Whether Leica or RRS, it has to be removed to access the battery and memory card, so it might as well have the grooves for easy use on a tripod (which I use with the M240 more than I initially thought I would). Plus it's really solidly made and saves the stock baseplate from being marred, so perhaps when reselling the camera, some of the money spent on the RRS baseplate can be recouped. And it too can be sold to recoup some of its initial cost....Show more →
Couldn't agree more. That RRS plate for the M240 was fabulous - Arca-Swiss mount compatibility plus easy access to the battery and card. A no brainer in my view, especially given what one had to spend on that camera ($6700, which seems downright cheap next to modern Leicas).
You have another option, if you find that you do not need/want RF focusing M-mount camera, you could purchase a used A7rII or A7rIII and have the sensor modified to an Ultra Thin sensor modification by amongst other options Kolari Vision to use your WA M-mount lenses.
I do wish people would stop blithely repeating this as some sort of gospel. It is only really realistic if you live in the US. Otherwise there are tiresome customs procedures and hidden taxes involved, as well as the general insecurity of sending a valuable camera to the US.
Arka wrote:
Couldn't agree more. That RRS plate for the M240 was fabulous - Arca-Swiss mount compatibility plus easy access to the battery and card. A no brainer in my view, especially given what one had to spend on that camera ($6700, which seems downright cheap next to modern Leicas).
Glad I paid a much lower price for my used (but nearly mint) M-E 240! I guess it is subjective preference if some additional money is vested for such third party base plate or using the same amount for a new TTArtisan or 7Artisans M-lens. Personally I would always go for the latter.
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wolfloid wrote:
I do wish people would stop blithely repeating this as some sort of gospel. It is only really realistic if you live in the US. Otherwise there are tiresome customs procedures and hidden taxes involved, as well as the general insecurity of sending a valuable camera to the US.
Yes there are concerns and additional charges including in Europe and other countries, duties, and any equipment sent anywhere should have sufficient insurance coverage including for repair and CLA. There is another source as has been mentioned multiple times and has had threads on FM; people from all over the world have sent their cameras to I believe Taiwan. So, no, it is not only sending cameras in nor to the US, and in this situation Arka is in the USA. I only mentioned Kolari Vision as an example. There are still probably additional companies that perform a similar option than these 2. Additionally, if you look at my post, I used the running Emoji. People can decide what they want and if they wish to have their equipment modified worldwide.
SlowDriver wrote:
The Leica T and the Leica TL2 also have internal memory (16MB resp 32MB).
I have to say I hardly use it. I am so used to always having a memory card in my cameras that most of the time I completely forget about the internal memory...
Still a nice feature though, and it doesn't get in the way if you don't use it.
Interesting. I didn't know this. Do these cameras allow to write to both internal memory and the SD card simulataneoulsy?
"Had the opportunity to try this a few days ago in person. It is sublime. I took a handful of shots with 50/1.4, 50/2 and, to my mind at least, it is unbeatable in terms of bokeh, colour, soul, aesthetics. It genuinely knocked me for six. There are some very, very nifty little tricks it has up its sleeve for those concerned about hi MP and shake/low light. And, finally, a decent battery and USB C charging. I can’t reveal any more but it is most certainly not a sidegrade to the 10. Rather a fairly substantial upgrade. As always with Leica, the question on my mind is the following - for significantly less than the price of the M11 body I could get a Sony A1 that outperforms it in every way except for soul and (IMO) colours. Passion vs technical perfection. What price that Leica feeling…? Personally, going a little slower and working a little harder is more rewarding to me but perhaps that’s because I don’t have the pressure of being a pro photographer with deadlines and bosses.
At least I have a month to think about it. Anticipation is a wonderful thing. "
"Had the opportunity to try this a few days ago in person. It is sublime. I took a handful of shots with 50/1.4, 50/2 and, to my mind at least, it is unbeatable in terms of bokeh, colour, soul, aesthetics. It genuinely knocked me for six. There are some very, very nifty little tricks it has up its sleeve for those concerned about hi MP and shake/low light. And, finally, a decent battery and USB C charging. I can’t reveal any more but it is most certainly not a sidegrade to the 10. Rather a fairly substantial upgrade. As always with Leica, the question on my mind is the following - for significantly less than the price of the M11 body I could get a Sony A1 that outperforms it in every way except for soul and (IMO) colours. Passion vs technical perfection. What price that Leica feeling…? Personally, going a little slower and working a little harder is more rewarding to me but perhaps that’s because I don’t have the pressure of being a pro photographer with deadlines and bosses.
At least I have a month to think about it. Anticipation is a wonderful thing. "
Soul and colors, passion versus technical perfection of the Sony... it all sounded a little bit too stereotyped, too orchestrated and too artificial to me... but perhaps it is genuine, who knows...?
SlowDriver wrote:
Sounds like they are starting to turn on the hype machine with orchestrated leaks and first impressions by absolute newbies...
Well that’s incredibly inconsiderate of them. I have just bought a car for my son and a 970X for myself. They could have the decency to wait a few weeks at least….
retrofocus wrote:
Glad I paid a much lower price for my used (but nearly mint) M-E 240!
Congratulations I guess? I bought my M240 new because at the time I bought it, there weren't any used ones. And it was probably the right choice since I had several warranty services that would've been quite costly out-of-pocket.
I guess it is subjective preference if some additional money is vested for such third party base plate or using the same amount for a new TTArtisan or 7Artisans M-lens. Personally I would always go for the latter.
Of course it's subjective. But a third party base plate isn't all that much money, and in this instance provides benefits well beyond the usual tripod functionality. It gives you easier access to your battery and SD card, renders the camera a little more robust to dings and dents, and also allows you to spare the original base plate from the inevitable scars and brassing of use (which can help with resale of the camera).
Also, I suspect that many would "subjectively" consider it sacrilegious to use non-Leica glass on these cameras. To be clear, I am absolutely not one of those people, but snobbery thinly disguised as subjectivity and personal preference abounds in this space, where the camera system is as much (if not moreso) a luxury good as it is a tool.
I do think the newbie/leaker writes with an American style. 