"The upcoming Leica M11 camera is rumored to include a 64GB internal memory that will simulate a second memory card slot. It will also be possible to operate the new M11 without an SD memory card."
1. Internal 64GB, no SD card needed or,
2. SD card backup to the internal memory or the other way around, if firmware allows for dual internal memory/SD card write.
Looking like a very interesting/exciting upgrade to me!
-RF !! * Continues the tradition of the unique and much loved "Leica experience" IMO
-Almost same svelte M10 form factor minus the bottom plate
-60MP sensor (variable resolution in RAW: 50MP/36MP/15MP) * I do like this approach if quality holds up throughout
-New more powerful battery
-USBC
-Bluetooth
* New higher resolution Visoflex for those that need/want EVF
* Hopefully M11 will also exceed 1/4000 sec Please 🙏🏼
LBJ2 wrote:
IMO Best of both worlds : 👍🏻
1. Internal 64GB, no SD card needed or,
2. SD card backup to the internal memory or the other way around, if firmware allows for dual internal memory/SD card write.
I agree. I would have an SD card as a backup but using the internal memory and downloading using USB-C would be very convenient. One short cable to connect to the MacBook Pro or the iPad and that's all.
LBJ2 wrote:
-60MP sensor (variable resolution in RAW: 50MP/36MP/15MP)
Maybe but so far, I'm more than satisfied with the M10 sensor. I do not need more resolution and I'm ok with the DR and even the high-iso performance.
Of course, I could sometimes use more but high-res sensor mean more sensitivity to focus and vibrations and this are hurdles I can live without.
LBJ2 wrote:
-New more powerful battery
-USBC
And if we can load the battery inside the camera with USB-C, this is perfect.
But the question remains: will all this changes be enough to convince me to spend a lot of money and upgrade from my M10?
On the other, I started with the M8 and bought the M9, M240 and M10... So I guess we know the answer.
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pmeheut wrote:
I agree. I would have an SD card as a backup but using the internal memory and downloading using USB-C would be very convenient. One short cable to connect to the MacBook Pro or the iPad and that's all.
Maybe but so far, I'm more than satisfied with the M10 sensor. I do not need more resolution and I'm ok with the DR and even the high-iso performance.
Of course, I could sometimes use more but high-res sensor mean more sensitivity to focus and vibrations and this are hurdles I can live without.
And if we can load the battery inside the camera with USB-C, this is perfect.
But the question remains: will all this changes be enough to convince me to spend a lot of money and upgrade from my M10?
On the other, I started with the M8 and bought the M9, M240 and M10... So I guess we know the answer. ...Show more →
I agree with most of what you said, but keep in mind if you shoot at the lower resolution settings (or downscale in post) then you don't have more hurdles with focus, vibrations, or keeping your hands still. It is only when you want to shoot for that higher resolution that these things will matter. For me this means that I would be fine with something like 36 MP (again either shot that way in camera if it works well, or downscaled in post if it doesn't) for my handheld shooting, but on a tripod I would really like 60 MP. The higher resolution gives you more choice and that is a good thing. That said I too am happy with my M10 and I am much more likely to get an M10R than an M11, but if they did the high resolution sensor well in the M11 it should be a good thing. I also love the built in storage.
pmeheut wrote:
I agree. I would have an SD card as a backup but using the internal memory and downloading using USB-C would be very convenient. One short cable to connect to the MacBook Pro or the iPad and that's all.
Maybe but so far, I'm more than satisfied with the M10 sensor. I do not need more resolution and I'm ok with the DR and even the high-iso performance.
Of course, I could sometimes use more but high-res sensor mean more sensitivity to focus and vibrations and this are hurdles I can live without.
And if we can load the battery inside the camera with USB-C, this is perfect.
But the question remains: will all this changes be enough to convince me to spend a lot of money and upgrade from my M10?
On the other, I started with the M8 and bought the M9, M240 and M10... So I guess we know the answer. ...Show more →
Not to worry, As usual with new Leica M products even before the infamous pandemic global supply chain disruptions, I suspect the M11 will also be Unobtainium for at least the first year e.g., the Leica M 35/2 APO. Plenty of time for GAS to subside and sell, sell, sell to raise funds needed to touch what will surely be the most expensive "new" Leica M camera model ever.
60MP sensor (variable resolution in RAW: 50MP/36MP/15MP) could be very interesting. A potential sweet spot resolution choice for everybody and every lens. Let's see how well Leica's in-camera variable resolution process holds up IQ-wise. Who knows maybe Leica discovered intoPIX too ( I'm thinking Nikon Z9/intoPIX processing?) https://www.intopix.com
Steve Spencer wrote:
but keep in mind if you shoot at the lower resolution settings (or downscale in post) then you don't have more hurdles with focus, vibrations, or keeping your hands still. It is only when you want to shoot for that higher resolution that these things will matter.
I got that but I was trying to find some reasons to resist my GAS.
But I guess doing this here is like asking for help not drinking in an Irish bar on St Patrick's Day.
Steve Spencer wrote:
For me this means that I would be fine with something like 36 MP
We will wait for the official specs but 24 MP are really close to the sweet spot for me.
Steve Spencer wrote:
(again either shot that way in camera if it works well, or downscaled in post if it doesn't) for my handheld shooting, but on a tripod I would really like 60 MP.
It makes sense but as I use my M mainly for street photography, I never use a tripod so I'll wait and see. Of course, your mileage may vary.
AndrewNYC wrote:
There really is no advantage to the rangefinder anymore. ..
The whole purpose of a camera is to take pics. Because I enjoy using the RF so much I use my Leica Ms pretty much all the time, while my mirrorless cameras (Nikon, Fuji) pretty much sit collecting dust.
So I see a huge advantage - it makes me want to go out and take pics!
It seems I'm in the minority because I will miss the detachable baseplate. It gives the M that smooth, solid feel, because the bottom of the camera is pretty much smooth and solid! By having a slot for a battery etc it will lose some of that unique feeling.
Frankly I'm in no rush when I use an M. If I was, I'd be using something else and getting rid of that baseplate is not exactly much of a time saver! Let's call it for what it is - cheaper to make.
Desmolicious wrote:
It seems I'm in the minority because I will miss the detachable baseplate. It gives the M that smooth, solid feel, because the bottom of the camera is pretty much smooth and solid! By having a slot for a battery etc it will lose some of that unique feeling.
Frankly I'm in no rush when I use an M. If I was, I'd be using something else and getting rid of that baseplate is not exactly much of a time saver! Let's call it for what it is - cheaper to make.
It is a time saver if you ever experienced the camera mounted on a tripod and the battery draining just at this moment. Not only you have to unmount the camera from the position on the tripod, but you have to also remove the tripod plate to be able to remove the camera baseplate. Only then you have access to battery and SD card. This situation occurred already twice to me in one year since I have my M-E 240.
The only advantage I see with the baseplate is that it avoids a flimsy plastic cover like Sony uses on my A7R to remove the battery. I hope the new cover will not just be a plasticky thing - it shouldn't for the price the M11 will go for.
1. Internal 64GB, no SD card needed or,
2. SD card backup to the internal memory or the other way around, if firmware allows for dual internal memory/SD card write.
Looking like a very interesting/exciting upgrade to me!
-RF !! * Continues the tradition of the unique and much loved "Leica experience" IMO
-Almost same svelte M10 form factor minus the bottom plate
-60MP sensor (variable resolution in RAW: 50MP/36MP/15MP) * I do like this approach if quality holds up throughout
-New more powerful battery
-USBC
-Bluetooth
* New higher resolution Visoflex for those that need/want EVF
* Hopefully M11 will also exceed 1/4000 sec Please 🙏🏼...Show more →
What I'm afraid is that Leica removed the baseplate and only added easy access to the battery. Perhaps there will be no way to add a SD card to the camera just like with the Zeiss ZX1 and Pixii cameras. So only internal 64GB.
Just speculation, but if true, this move would be a downgrade in my view.
60MP for a Leica M rangefinder? That's lunacy and I think 40MP already pushed the boundaries. I don't even think it's worth going to 60MP for the SL or Sony with IBIS, built-in EVF and all...
retrofocus wrote:
It is a time saver if you ever experienced the camera mounted on a tripod and the battery draining just at this moment. Not only you have to unmount the camera from the position on the tripod, but you have to also remove the tripod plate to be able to remove the camera baseplate. Only then you have access to battery and SD card. This situation occurred already twice to me in one year since I have my M-E 240.
The only advantage I see with the baseplate is that it avoids a flimsy plastic cover like Sony uses on my A7R to remove the battery. I hope the new cover will not just be a plasticky thing - it shouldn't for the price the M11 will go for. ...Show more →
Again, using the RRS plate not only avoids this, it’s quicker than some other systems. You can actually leave the camera on the tripod and remove it leaving the plate in place if you want. It’s also going to make things like the grip baseplate add size and inconvenience.
I like the current baseplate. Actually I also wished it had the built in thumb grip from the M-D. Didn’t get that either.
Fred Miranda wrote:
What I'm afraid is that Leica removed the baseplate and only added easy access to the battery. Perhaps there will be no way to add a SD card to the camera just like with the Zeiss ZX1 and Pixii cameras. So only internal 64GB.
Just speculation, but if true, this move would be a downgrade in my view.
60MP for a Leica M rangefinder? That's lunacy and I think 40MP already pushed the boundaries. I don't even think it's worth going to 60MP for the SL or Sony with IBIS, built-in EVF and all...
I was happy with the 24MP M10. Now I'm happy with the 40MP M10-R. Was fine with the 61MP A7rIV too and now 50MP A1. I'm waiting to see how much the M11 costs, maybe I will not even have to worry about a 50/60 MP rangefinder 😉😉
Interesting. I just sold my A7R4 and am about to sell my Nikon kit to focus on my Sony A1 exclusively (my favorite camera ever). I've kept my Leica M lenses for use on the Sony, but was planning to sell most of those as well given the available Sony alternatives and how prohibitively expensive the Leica M cameras had become. But with this M11 announcement, I may try to angle for either an M11 or an M10 to shoot those lenses on their native platform again. I confess I do miss the M cameras, and their digital products have enjoyed significant refinement since my M240.
What are the chances that Leica will continue to sell the M10 alongside the M11 as a lower-cost option?
Arka wrote:
Interesting. I just sold my A7R4 and am about to sell my Nikon kit to focus on my Sony A1 exclusively (my favorite camera ever). I've kept my Leica M lenses for use on the Sony, but was planning to sell most of those as well given the available Sony alternatives and how prohibitively expensive the Leica M cameras had become. But with this M11 announcement, I may try to angle for either an M11 or an M10 to shoot those lenses on their native platform again. I confess I do miss the M cameras, and their digital products have enjoyed significant refinement since my M240.
What are the chances that Leica will continue to sell the M10 alongside the M11 as a lower-cost option? ...Show more →
You have another option, if you find that you do not need/want RF focusing M-mount camera, you could purchase a used A7rII or A7rIII and have the sensor modified to an Ultra Thin sensor modification by amongst other options Kolari Vision to use your WA M-mount lenses.
naturephoto1 wrote:
You have another option, if you find that you do not need/want RF focusing M-mount camera, you could purchase a used A7rII or A7rIII and have the sensor modified to an Ultra Thin sensor modification by amongst other options Kolari Vision to use your WA M-mount lenses.
Rich
That's a good and much cheaper option to be sure, but I do kind of miss the RF. The one on my M240 went out of calibration a few times (which was annoying), but I've heard the newer RFs on the M10 are quite reliable by comparison.
Arka wrote:
What are the chances that Leica will continue to sell the M10 alongside the M11 as a lower-cost option?
I have slight hope for a M-E 10 series - the M-E 240 was produced for a short time in 2019 when the M10 was already released. Leica obviously used remaining camera body stock, used newer memory electronics, and sold it for a more moderate price.
But seeing how Leica pushes only focuses on luxury at the moment, I doubt we will see a M-E 10 for a moderate price.
flash wrote:
Again, using the RRS plate not only avoids this, it’s quicker than some other systems. You can actually leave the camera on the tripod and remove it leaving the plate in place if you want. It’s also going to make things like the grip baseplate add size and inconvenience.
I like the current baseplate. Actually I also wished it had the built in thumb grip from the M-D. Didn’t get that either.
Gordon
It's just subjective, but I never bought into RRS stuff. And these base plates go for > $200.....
AndrewNYC wrote:
There really is no advantage to the rangefinder anymore. ..
Beyond what has already been mentioned, I find the RF much more pleasant to use with bumpy maculas (resulting in notable flare around electronic brights on dark--not to mention the occasional macular star) and extreme floaters due to the vitreous collapsing/drying out. In that respect, an EVF is horrible.
Granted, I currently have a crazy floater directly in front of my left (preferred shooting) eye that makes focusing difficult regardless of a single-eyed viewing experience, but the prospect of switching to a TLR or LF is not something I want to consider.
