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j4nu wrote:
trogdon wroteThat’s definitely not fringing
So, according to the responses:
* it's not CA
* it's not fringing.

What is it then ?
I'm asking a genuine question, as this thing bothers me the most in my shots from 24GM in the woods.

I'll post some more evident examples, but the sky is terribly overblown in most of them.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965081_3ccdcb2e8f_h.jpgDSC05746 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f11

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965166_616b8fbe61_h.jpgDSC05746_focus by Jan U, on Flickr

This one is a bit unfair, as it's wide open:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267048_7b4d1bb9c4_h.jpgDSC05743 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f1.4

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267728_4da607f41a_b.jpgDSC05743_focus by Jan U, on Flickr


"What is it then ?"

Paralysis by analysis. It's common problem here. Have been known to fall victim to it myself.
Expose your images properly, work more on composition, and enjoy being outside in a beautiful environment with your dog would be my 2 cents
Jan 15, 2021 at 07:17 AM
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p.38 #2Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
hiepphotog wrote:
j4nu wrote
trogdon wroteThat’s definitely not fringing
So, according to the responses:
* it's not CA
* it's not fringing.

What is it then ?
I'm asking a genuine question, as this thing bothers me the most in my shots from 24GM in the woods.

I'll post some more evident examples, but the sky is terribly overblown in most of them.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965081_3ccdcb2e8f_h.jpgDSC05746 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f11

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965166_616b8fbe61_h.jpgDSC05746_focus by Jan U, on Flickr

This one is a bit unfair, as it's wide open:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267048_7b4d1bb9c4_h.jpgDSC05743 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f1.4

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267728_4da607f41a_b.jpgDSC05743_focus by Jan U, on Flickr
At f/11, unlikely it’s LoCA. That looks like a digital artifact. Did you have the color correction on on your camera?


Yep, it's jpeg straight from the camera, but I can post the raw too.

Vignetting Correction : Auto
Lateral Chromatic Aberration : Auto
Distortion Correction Setting : Off
Jan 15, 2021 at 07:31 AM
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p.38 #3Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Tora_2097 wrote:
I think it is the effect of defocused and thus semi-transparent edges gradually darkening the sky portion behind it.
Stuff you can see on helicopterblades for example, even though the transparency comes from motionblur in this case.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Mh60S_Training_Flight_1.jpg


Yes, I guess it is possible. Although, I think I see this effect with different intensity depending on the lens used (& exposure, etc.). So, I still think there is some CA to it...
Jan 15, 2021 at 07:33 AM
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p.38 #4Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
nhsonyshooter wrote:
j4nu wrote
trogdon wroteThat’s definitely not fringing
So, according to the responses:
* it's not CA
* it's not fringing.

What is it then ?
I'm asking a genuine question, as this thing bothers me the most in my shots from 24GM in the woods.

I'll post some more evident examples, but the sky is terribly overblown in most of them.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965081_3ccdcb2e8f_h.jpgDSC05746 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f11

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965166_616b8fbe61_h.jpgDSC05746_focus by Jan U, on Flickr

This one is a bit unfair, as it's wide open:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267048_7b4d1bb9c4_h.jpgDSC05743 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f1.4

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267728_4da607f41a_b.jpgDSC05743_focus by Jan U, on Flickr
"What is it then ?"

Paralysis by analysis. It's common problem here. Have been known to fall victim to it myself.
Expose your images properly, work more on composition, and enjoy being outside in a beautiful environment with your dog would be my 2 cents


This is really me being curious I guess.
I notice this effect more with 24GM than other lenses in such conditions. Maybe it's becasue of wider fov, maybe because of wide aperture.
To me, the effect is similar to the fringing/CA (it might be a mixture of both I think too, as it happens near the edges of the frame, but does not seem to be affected too much by changing focus point) tests I see in reviews. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the examples I've provided don't demonstrate well what I have in mind.
I'll try to dig up some better ones.
Jan 15, 2021 at 07:40 AM
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p.38 #5Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
j4nu wrote:
trogdon wroteThat’s definitely not fringing
So, according to the responses:
* it's not CA
* it's not fringing.

What is it then ?


"Rendering"
Jan 15, 2021 at 08:18 AM
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p.38 #6Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)


The new rage: https://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/4912-the-return-of-vintage-lenses-and-uncoated-optics

Uncoated lenses with added flare.

vdo1 wrote:
j4nu wrote
trogdon wroteThat’s definitely not fringing
So, according to the responses:
* it's not CA
* it's not fringing.

What is it then ?
"Rendering"


Jan 15, 2021 at 08:25 AM
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p.38 #7Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
So many 35s on the B&S forum today. Lol.

Everything from f/1.2 to f/2.8 and 24 GM to Batis 40 is listed for sale. This GM has single handedly reduced prices of all other 35s.

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Jan 15, 2021 at 08:38 AM
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realVivek wrote:


The new rage: https://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/4912-the-return-of-vintage-lenses-and-uncoated-optics

Uncoated lenses with added flare.

vdo1 wrote
j4nu wrote
trogdon wroteThat’s definitely not fringing
So, according to the responses:
* it's not CA
* it's not fringing.

What is it then ?
"Rendering"


Are you suggesting I have an uncoated 24GM?
I guess I should have it appraised then .
Jan 15, 2021 at 08:41 AM
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p.38 #9Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
j4nu wrote:
trogdon wroteThat’s definitely not fringing
So, according to the responses:
* it's not CA
* it's not fringing.

What is it then ?
I'm asking a genuine question, as this thing bothers me the most in my shots from 24GM in the woods.

I'll post some more evident examples, but the sky is terribly overblown in most of them.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965081_3ccdcb2e8f_h.jpgDSC05746 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f11

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965166_616b8fbe61_h.jpgDSC05746_focus by Jan U, on Flickr

This one is a bit unfair, as it's wide open:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267048_7b4d1bb9c4_h.jpgDSC05743 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f1.4

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267728_4da607f41a_b.jpgDSC05743_focus by Jan U, on Flickr


You are presenting the classic torture test. "Trees or tree branches against a blown out sky, or horizon.

I am leaning toward chromatic aberration in general based upon the description below. The next step is to determine which kind of CA as many lenses can exhibit behaviors of both. "Unfortunately, many lenses have both longitudinal and lateral chromatic aberrations present at the same time. The only way to reduce these aberrations, is to stop down the lens (to reduce LoCA) and then fix lateral CA in post-processing software like Lightroom and Photoshop."

"Chromatic aberration is caused by lens dispersion, with different colors of light travelling at different speeds while passing through a lens. As a result, the image can look blurred or noticeable colored edges (red, green, blue, yellow, purple, magenta) can appear around objects, especially in high-contrast situations."

Which kind of CA?

Maybe a good high level summary:

LoCA, Axial
"Lenses with Longitudinal Chromatic Aberration problems can show fringing around objects throughout the image, even in the center. Red, Green, Blue or a combination of these colors can appear around objects. Longitudinal Chromatic Aberration can be dramatically reduced by stopping down the lens. Fast aperture prime lenses are typically much more prone to LoCA than slower lenses."

LaCA or Lateral
"Unlike LoCA, Lateral Chromatic Aberration never shows up in the center and is only visible towards the corners of the image in high-contrast areas. Blue and purple fringing is often common on some fisheye, wide-angle and low-quality lenses. Unlike Longitudinal Chromatic Aberration, Lateral Chromatic Aberration cannot be removed by stopping down the lens, but can be removed or reduced in post-processing software."

https://photographylife.com/what-is-chromatic-aberration


"11 Ways to Reduce Chromatic Aberration in Photography"

#1 "Avoid shooting high-contrast scenes."

https://www.masterclass.com/articles/what-is-chromatic-aberration-11-ways-to-fix-chromatic-aberration-in-photography#2-types-of-chromatic-aberration
Jan 15, 2021 at 09:03 AM
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p.38 #10Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Seems Zony branding is abandoned
Jan 15, 2021 at 09:27 AM
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p.38 #11Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
30 days to go...
Jan 15, 2021 at 09:34 AM
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p.38 #12Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ytwong wrote:
Seems Zony branding is abandoned


Hope that is true! Good riddance!
Jan 15, 2021 at 09:35 AM
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p.38 #13Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ramesesthe2nd wrote:
So many 35s on the B&S forum today. Lol.

Everything from f/1.2 to f/2.8 and 24 GM to Batis 40 is listed for sale. This GM has single handedly reduced prices of all other 35s.


So true. Sony has single handily reduced the value of my CV 35mm 1.2 by half if I'm lucky. But not complaining because I've been waiting for this lens for a long time.
Jan 15, 2021 at 09:54 AM
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p.38 #14Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
LBJ2 wrote:
j4nu wrote
trogdon wroteThat’s definitely not fringing
So, according to the responses:
* it's not CA
* it's not fringing.

What is it then ?
I'm asking a genuine question, as this thing bothers me the most in my shots from 24GM in the woods.

I'll post some more evident examples, but the sky is terribly overblown in most of them.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965081_3ccdcb2e8f_h.jpgDSC05746 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f11

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965166_616b8fbe61_h.jpgDSC05746_focus by Jan U, on Flickr

This one is a bit unfair, as it's wide open:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267048_7b4d1bb9c4_h.jpgDSC05743 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f1.4

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267728_4da607f41a_b.jpgDSC05743_focus by Jan U, on Flickr
You are presenting the classic torture test. "Trees or tree branches against a blown out sky, or horizon.

I am leaning toward chromatic aberration in general based upon the description below. The next step is to determine which kind of CA as many lenses can exhibit behaviors of both. "Unfortunately, many lenses have both longitudinal and lateral chromatic aberrations present at the same time. The only way to reduce these aberrations, is to stop down the lens (to reduce LoCA) and then fix lateral CA in post-processing software like Lightroom and Photoshop."

"Chromatic aberration is caused by lens dispersion, with different
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Thanks, that was pretty educational. I don't want to derail this thread anymore, so I've created a follow-up post:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1682581 .
Jan 15, 2021 at 09:56 AM
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p.38 #15Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
nhsonyshooter wrote:
ramesesthe2nd wroteSo many 35s on the B&S forum today. Lol.

Everything from f/1.2 to f/2.8 and 24 GM to Batis 40 is listed for sale. This GM has single handedly reduced prices of all other 35s.
So true. Sony has single handily reduced the value of my CV 35mm 1.2 by half if I'm lucky. But not complaining because I've been waiting for this lens for a long time.


I am not seeing people dumping their CV 35 f1.2 SE, yet. I am keeping mine, it's a fun lens. Some of the Voigtlander lenses' value have dropped like rocks. I remember paying $1100 for the CV 40mm f1.2 when it came out few years ago, now you can get one on the B&S board for $600.
Jan 15, 2021 at 10:13 AM
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p.38 #16Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Douglas Liu wrote:
nhsonyshooter wrote
ramesesthe2nd wroteSo many 35s on the B&S forum today. Lol.

Everything from f/1.2 to f/2.8 and 24 GM to Batis 40 is listed for sale. This GM has single handedly reduced prices of all other 35s.
So true. Sony has single handily reduced the value of my CV 35mm 1.2 by half if I'm lucky. But not complaining because I've been waiting for this lens for a long time.
I am not seeing people dumping their CV 35 f1.2 SE, yet. I am keeping mine, it's a fun lens. Some of the Voigtlander lenses' value have dropped like rocks. I remember paying $1100 for the CV 40mm f1.2 when it came out few years ago, now you can get one on the B&S board for $600.


Well, I tried in anticipation of the GM announcement and could not get a taker for 600 so I don't think it's going to be any better now. The lens is fabulous but being a recovering lens hoarder I only keep what fits in my bag now a days. I'm fairly confident the GM will be glued to my A7riv so I'm not carrying 2 35mm
Jan 15, 2021 at 10:48 AM
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p.38 #17Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
The GM's 35/1.4 price set for EU is 1700 Euro.Insane.I presume that within 1,5-2 years the price should eventually drop to about 1200-1300 Euro as it is the case with GM 24/1.4.Then the time for purchase will eventually come.
Jan 15, 2021 at 11:04 AM
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p.38 #18Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)


j4nu wrote:
trogdon wroteThat’s definitely not fringing
So, according to the responses:
* it's not CA
* it's not fringing.

What is it then ?
I'm asking a genuine question, as this thing bothers me the most in my shots from 24GM in the woods.

I'll post some more evident examples, but the sky is terribly overblown in most of them.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965081_3ccdcb2e8f_h.jpgDSC05746 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f11

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837965166_616b8fbe61_h.jpgDSC05746_focus by Jan U, on Flickr

This one is a bit unfair, as it's wide open:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267048_7b4d1bb9c4_h.jpgDSC05743 by Jan U, on Flickr
* f1.4

Focus point:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837267728_4da607f41a_b.jpgDSC05743_focus by Jan U, on Flickr


It looks like fringing to me. Idk what else it would be
Jan 15, 2021 at 01:41 PM
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p.38 #19Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)


thrice wrote:
Teo Rey wrote
thrice wrote
Teo Rey wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
hiepphotog wroteI am curious to hear what you think. The peculiar thing about some of these recent modern optics is that some situations can really bring the worst in them, especially LoCA, though it can be only in some rare occasions. From lenstip, I see on axis, the GM has a tad more color error in focus, while out of focus, it’s about the same.
Yes, "on axis" color error (purple fringing).
Is this the kind that can be easily removed in post, or no?
You can try a sharp violet cut filter like this https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Optical-450nm-Long-Pass-Filter-Glass-UV-Cut-Filter-50mm-Square-/263633374813
I have a modded camera (430nm-690nm) which doesn't seem to suffer purple fringing, but I definitely see the other side (green fringing).
I thought mirrorless cameras already cut out UV light?
Yes but they pass plenty of visible deep blue light which they display as violet/magenta.


Hmm, how would I go about using a filter like the above mentioned, then?
Jan 15, 2021 at 01:43 PM
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p.38 #20Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Hodie wrote:
Can't wait to buy this on the B&S forum for $1000 in about a year when everyone decides "it's not the focal length for me"!


This isn't aging well for me. Pre-order placed.
Jan 15, 2021 at 03:10 PM
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