Pius Sullivan wrote:
I know the feeling been molting myself after being in Sony jail for over a week, its taking awhile to get the smell off me... ... I just have to remember never to cross 7 sea's at once...
Welcome back, hope you learned your lesson and just stay in Canon Land
Thanks Pius! Focus bracketing is really easy with the R5 but processing the images in PS takes some time. The flower was moving in the wind when I took the sequence of 100 images (on tripod) but all the frames were sharp - except for those that were outside the range of the flower.
Pius Sullivan wrote:
Wow, that is killer.. bobbytan.
Pius Sullivan wrote:
Kinda glad they are missing feathers, helps hide the milc distortion...
I know the feeling been molting myself after being in Sony jail for over a week, its taking awhile to get the smell off me... ... I just have to remember never to cross 7 sea's at once...
Did you shoot these in MS or ES? If ES did you notice any ruined shots? I found with the R5 that all the nice full back or full forward wing positions were fine even in ES. Only some of the mid-positions or if the hummer moved vertically during exposure did I see some wonkiness.
Of course it isn't MILCs that cause distortion. It is the ES that can cause it in some cases. MS or EFCS should be no different than a DSLR as far as distortion, or lack there of, goes.
I shot in ES and there were some ruined shots but I had so many to choose from didn't' really matter. I said MILC because ES is usually associated with milc. I never really heard of rolling shutter / distortion in the context we use it now until Sony arrived on the scene... Are you trolling?... see below
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arbitrage wrote:
Did you shoot these in MS or ES? If ES did you notice any ruined shots? I found with the R5 that all the nice full back or full forward wing positions were fine even in ES. Only some of the mid-positions or if the hummer moved vertically during exposure did I see some wonkiness.
Of course it isn't MILCs that cause distortion. It is the ES that can cause it in some cases. MS or EFCS should be no different than a DSLR as far as distortion, or lack there of, goes.
Pius Sullivan wrote:
I shot in ES and there were some ruined shots but I had so many to choose from didn't' really matter. I said MILC because ES is usually associated with milc. I never really heard of rolling shutter / distortion in the context we use it now until Sony arrived on the scene... Are you trolling?... see below
The term trolling stems from the internet slang 'troll', which is a person who starts arguments or upsets people by posting inflammatory, extraneous messages online. The aim of a troll is to provoke other online users into an emotional response often for their own amusement.
I don't think my post was trolling. But if you feel it is best just send me a PM and let me know and I will edit it. I was just curious if your findings agreed with mine because a lot of people seem to think the R5 distorts wings all the time in ES which I've argued from the beginning when reviewing the camera that it rarely does even on pleasing hummingbird wing poses.
I would think the ES/distortion discussion would of course have started when Sony arrived on scene because they were the first to make a MILC that one would bother shooting fast action with and that is when people would have started talking about the limitations of sensor scan speed in ES and shooting fast action. I'm sure rolling shutter has been talked about for a long while by video shooters but older MILCs were just shot in MS or EFCS as the ES was unusable. Now that we have good usable ES we start to nitpick each one and the benefits and limitations of each one. I'm sure it will become a popular discussion point once we learn how fast the R3 can scan...we know it is going to be very fast as they are advertising flash sync and no one wants flash sync at only 1/100s. There is only one MILC that can flash sync in ES to date so the R3 will be in rare company with that feature (that I could care less about but many others will benefit from it).
Anyways, I'll try to get back to posting R5 images and leave the gear discussion to the other threads. I'm still sitting on thousands of unprocessed R5 keepers. Hard to not be when the thing is so effective at AF.
I have only seen wing distortion from rolling shutter in hummingbirds as you’ve mentioned. For birds that flap fast, I do notice the linear banding phenomenon (which seems to only be present at higher shutter speeds).
The PITA part of the rolling shutter is the leaning backgrounds. Drives me nuts when shooting BIF.
arbitrage wrote:
I don't think my post was trolling. But if you feel it is best just send me a PM and let me know and I will edit it. I was just curious if your findings agreed with mine because a lot of people seem to think the R5 distorts wings all the time in ES which I've argued from the beginning when reviewing the camera that it rarely does even on pleasing hummingbird wing poses.
I would think the ES/distortion discussion would of course have started when Sony arrived on scene because they were the first to make a MILC that one would bother shooting fast action with and that is when people would have started talking about the limitations of sensor scan speed in ES and shooting fast action. I'm sure rolling shutter has been talked about for a long while by video shooters but older MILCs were just shot in MS or EFCS as the ES was unusable. Now that we have good usable ES we start to nitpick each one and the benefits and limitations of each one. I'm sure it will become a popular discussion point once we learn how fast the R3 can scan...we know it is going to be very fast as they are advertising flash sync and no one wants flash sync at only 1/100s. There is only one MILC that can flash sync in ES to date so the R3 will be in rare company with that feature (that I could care less about but many others will benefit from it).
Anyways, I'll try to get back to posting R5 images and leave the gear discussion to the other threads. I'm still sitting on thousands of unprocessed R5 keepers. Hard to not be when the thing is so effective at AF....Show more →
KINGOFKNGS wrote:
I have only seen wing distortion from rolling shutter in hummingbirds as you’ve mentioned. For birds that flap fast, I do notice the linear banding phenomenon (which seems to only be present at higher shutter speeds).
The PITA part of the rolling shutter is the leaning backgrounds. Drives me nuts when shooting BIF.
Agreed. Wing distortion rarely bothered me and I'd always have some other keeper of the bird so it never missed the shot. Leaning lines was my biggest issue trying to shoot in ES 100% of the time. That did ruin a few good shots for me. R3 will make things right.
arbitrage wrote:
I don't think my post was trolling. But if you feel it is best just send me a PM and let me know and I will edit it. I was just curious if your findings agreed with mine because a lot of people seem to think the R5 distorts wings all the time in ES which I've argued from the beginning when reviewing the camera that it rarely does even on pleasing hummingbird wing poses.
I would think the ES/distortion discussion would of course have started when Sony arrived on scene because they were the first to make a MILC that one would bother shooting fast action with and that is when people would have started talking about the limitations of sensor scan speed in ES and shooting fast action. I'm sure rolling shutter has been talked about for a long while by video shooters but older MILCs were just shot in MS or EFCS as the ES was unusable. Now that we have good usable ES we start to nitpick each one and the benefits and limitations of each one. I'm sure it will become a popular discussion point once we learn how fast the R3 can scan...we know it is going to be very fast as they are advertising flash sync and no one wants flash sync at only 1/100s. There is only one MILC that can flash sync in ES to date so the R3 will be in rare company with that feature (that I could care less about but many others will benefit from it).
Anyways, I'll try to get back to posting R5 images and leave the gear discussion to the other threads. I'm still sitting on thousands of unprocessed R5 keepers. Hard to not be when the thing is so effective at AF....Show more →
I would have to agree with your findings arbitrage with respect to rolling shutter / distortion but please forgive me I'm a little leery of Sony users as they tend to start threads in the Sony forum like "Canon R5 vs Sony A1 for birds in flight" and then accuse a Canon user like myself of trolling in the Sony forum. I defended the R5 with honour and have the photos to back it up. This happened before remember when I said back during the launch in another Sony thread where the combo was being discussed. I said the R5 can keep up with the a1 in focus and tracking department. Would like to add image quality and ISO performance to that list also now. In no way did I degraded the a1, unless it was merely saying the R5 could keep up with the a1 in those departments. I had insults hurled at me from every angle by the Sony users and was still mostly polite in the way I handled myself as other FMer's have pointed out. Note: Sony still needs to work on that eye AF it's not there yet... showing in all the photos being posted, just saying please don't get upset with me...
Anyways we best leave this thread for everyone's great R5 photos...
Pius Sullivan wrote:
I would have to agree with your findings arbitrage with respect to rolling shutter / distortion but please forgive me I'm a little leery of Sony users as they tend to start threads in the Sony forum like "Canon R5 vs Sony A1 for birds in flight" and then accuse a Canon user like myself of trolling in the Sony forum. I defended the R5 with honour and have the photos to back it up. This happened before remember when I said back during the launch in another Sony thread where the combo was being discussed. I said the R5 can keep up with the a1 in focus and tracking department. Would like to add image quality and ISO performance to that list also now. In no way did I degraded the a1, unless it was merely saying the R5 could keep up with the a1 in those departments. I had insults hurled at me from every angle by the Sony users and was still mostly polite in the way I handled myself as other FMer's have pointed out. Note: Sony still needs to work on that eye AF it's not there yet... showing in all the photos being posted, just saying please don't get upset with me...
Anyways we best leave this thread for everyone's great R5 photos...
I'm sorry to hear of your unfortunate encounter in such Sony v Canon threads. Brand warfare takes a particular skill set...best to know your friends but know your enemies even better.
There are nuances to both the Sony and Canon Eye-AF systems. Both have very distinct behaviours. Both have their Achilles heels. Both can make taking pictures of perched birds much easier. Both are next to useless in improving BIF keeper rate. Although one exception to that is they both work remarkably well for hummingbirds in hover and have improved my keeper rate for those shots. But I wouldn't classify that as BIF...at least not true BIF....BIH...yep.
So here are some R5 shots from a Sony shooter....or a Canon shooter or a Nikon shooter....may just depend on which side of the bed I wake up on....
arbitrage wrote:
I'm sorry to hear of your unfortunate encounter in such Sony v Canon threads. Brand warfare takes a particular skill set...best to know your friends but know your enemies even better.
There are nuances to both the Sony and Canon Eye-AF systems. Both have very distinct behaviours. Both have their Achilles heels. Both can make taking pictures of perched birds much easier. Both are next to useless in improving BIF keeper rate. Although one exception to that is they both work remarkably well for hummingbirds in hover and have improved my keeper rate for those shots. But I wouldn't classify that as BIF...at least not true BIF....BIH...yep.
So here are some R5 shots from a Sony shooter....or a Canon shooter or a Nikon shooter....may just depend on which side of the bed I wake up on.......Show more →
I recognize that R5 and 600 III, sharpest picture in the lot... .. you never even change the settings must say lots about the owner...
... I just have to remember never to cross 7 sea's at once... 
