Archive 2020 · EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
p.40 #1EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Pius Sullivan wrote:
As much as I follow the rumors, I am also just waiting for Canon to release the R5—I've already sold off my Sony A9.
As I see it, both Sony and Canon are poised to release the next generation of hybrid cameras. I'm sure the specifications of these systems has long been solidified—price-point remains pliable depending on competition. How would it look if both these systems were comparable in terms of features, but had a significant price difference? Price-point has mostly been guided by cost and what the market can bear.That is interesting. I sold my 5D4 and got the R last fall. I could have purchased a Sony and I'm still thinking about it if the R5 doesn't pan out for my needs. I think it will. I might be interested in the R6 but I don't trust Canon will put the same level of AF as the R5.If Canon decides to put the 1dx III's capabilities into the R5, whats left for the 1dx mirrorless version?
Stacked sensor for flawless e-shutter and blackout free EVF. Plus quad-pixel AF
Zenon Char wrote
Atlasman2 wrote
ArtSupreme wrote: For those of us who aren't following the rumors and just waiting for the R5 to be released, can you explain what you mean by this?As much as I follow the rumors, I am also just waiting for Canon to release the R5—I've already sold off my Sony A9.
As I see it, both Sony and Canon are poised to release the next generation of hybrid cameras. I'm sure the specifications of these systems has long been solidified—price-point remains pliable depending on competition. How would it look if both these systems were comparable in terms of features, but had a significant price difference? Price-point has mostly been guided by cost and what the market can bear.
Stacked sensor for flawless e-shutter and blackout free EVF. Plus quad-pixel AF
Jun 05, 2020 at 07:34 PM
p.40 #2EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Pius Sullivan wrote:
If Canon decides to put the 1dx III's capabilities into the R5, whats left for the 1dx mirrorless version?
The 1DX series is about high ISO and low resolution with rugged build quality. The R5 will have medium-high resolution at low-medium ISO with decent build quality.
EBH
If Canon decides to put the 1dx III's capabilities into the R5, whats left for the 1dx mirrorless version?
The 1DX series is about high ISO and low resolution with rugged build quality. The R5 will have medium-high resolution at low-medium ISO with decent build quality.
EBH
Jun 05, 2020 at 07:55 PM
p.40 #3EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
As much as I follow the rumors, I am also just waiting for Canon to release the R5—I've already sold off my Sony A9.
As I see it, both Sony and Canon are poised to release the next generation of hybrid cameras. I'm sure the specifications of these systems has long been solidified—price-point remains pliable depending on competition. How would it look if both these systems were comparable in terms of features, but had a significant price difference? Price-point has mostly been guided by cost and what the market can bear.That is interesting. I sold my 5D4 and got the R last fall. I could have purchased a Sony and I'm still thinking about it if the R5 doesn't pan out for my needs. I think it will. I might be interested in the R6 but I don't trust Canon will put the same level of AF as the R5.If Canon decides to put the 1dx III's capabilities into the R5, whats left for the 1dx mirrorless version?Stacked sensor for flawless e-shutter and blackout free EVF. Plus quad-pixel AF
I'm not so sure I want electronic shutter, I see difference in bokeh with e-shutter and exposure shifts at higher shutter speeds...
Pius Sullivan wrote
Zenon Char wrote
Atlasman2 wrote
ArtSupreme wrote: For those of us who aren't following the rumors and just waiting for the R5 to be released, can you explain what you mean by this?As much as I follow the rumors, I am also just waiting for Canon to release the R5—I've already sold off my Sony A9.
As I see it, both Sony and Canon are poised to release the next generation of hybrid cameras. I'm sure the specifications of these systems has long been solidified—price-point remains pliable depending on competition. How would it look if both these systems were comparable in terms of features, but had a significant price difference? Price-point has mostly been guided by cost and what the market can bear.
I'm not so sure I want electronic shutter, I see difference in bokeh with e-shutter and exposure shifts at higher shutter speeds...
Jun 05, 2020 at 07:57 PM
p.40 #4EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Pius Sullivan wrote:
As much as I follow the rumors, I am also just waiting for Canon to release the R5—I've already sold off my Sony A9.
As I see it, both Sony and Canon are poised to release the next generation of hybrid cameras. I'm sure the specifications of these systems has long been solidified—price-point remains pliable depending on competition. How would it look if both these systems were comparable in terms of features, but had a significant price difference? Price-point has mostly been guided by cost and what the market can bear.That is interesting. I sold my 5D4 and got the R last fall. I could have purchased a Sony and I'm still thinking about it if the R5 doesn't pan out for my needs. I think it will. I might be interested in the R6 but I don't trust Canon will put the same level of AF as the R5.If Canon decides to put the 1dx III's capabilities into the R5, whats left for the 1dx mirrorless version?Stacked sensor for flawless e-shutter and blackout free EVF. Plus quad-pixel AF I'm not so sure I want electronic shutter, I see difference in bokeh with e-shutter and exposure shifts at higher shutter speeds...
I'm not sure about the bokeh thing but I know there are situations where it has been shown to be affected. My understanding is they aren't typically situations that we as outdoor bird/wildife photographers encounter. I can't say I've seen bokeh issues from the A9.
Yesterday I did a test to see if the e-shutter of the A9 was distorting hummingbird wings more than the mechanical shutter because sometimes it is hard to tell if the odd wing blur is just due to shutter speed or e-shutter. I shot two sequences of the hummers feeding on my backyard salvia. Looking at those two sequences I'm not seeing any differences in distortion of the wings nor do I see any exposure or bokeh differences. I've never seen an exposure shift on the A9. But maybe a faster read speed like the A9 eliminates or reduces these issues?
From my A9 experience over the past 3 years, I'd only spend R1 type $$$ if it had a fast readout. I'd spend R5 $$ without a fast readout but not R1 $$$$. The blackout free EVF and ability to leave the camera totally silent even for fast action are two of my four most valued reasons to shoot Sony right now (the other two being full sensor AF coverage and flip screen but those you get in most MILCs).
arbitrage wrote
Pius Sullivan wrote
Zenon Char wrote
Atlasman2 wrote
ArtSupreme wrote: For those of us who aren't following the rumors and just waiting for the R5 to be released, can you explain what you mean by this?As much as I follow the rumors, I am also just waiting for Canon to release the R5—I've already sold off my Sony A9.
As I see it, both Sony and Canon are poised to release the next generation of hybrid cameras. I'm sure the specifications of these systems has long been solidified—price-point remains pliable depending on competition. How would it look if both these systems were comparable in terms of features, but had a significant price difference? Price-point has mostly been guided by cost and what the market can bear.
I'm not sure about the bokeh thing but I know there are situations where it has been shown to be affected. My understanding is they aren't typically situations that we as outdoor bird/wildife photographers encounter. I can't say I've seen bokeh issues from the A9.
Yesterday I did a test to see if the e-shutter of the A9 was distorting hummingbird wings more than the mechanical shutter because sometimes it is hard to tell if the odd wing blur is just due to shutter speed or e-shutter. I shot two sequences of the hummers feeding on my backyard salvia. Looking at those two sequences I'm not seeing any differences in distortion of the wings nor do I see any exposure or bokeh differences. I've never seen an exposure shift on the A9. But maybe a faster read speed like the A9 eliminates or reduces these issues?
From my A9 experience over the past 3 years, I'd only spend R1 type $$$ if it had a fast readout. I'd spend R5 $$ without a fast readout but not R1 $$$$. The blackout free EVF and ability to leave the camera totally silent even for fast action are two of my four most valued reasons to shoot Sony right now (the other two being full sensor AF coverage and flip screen but those you get in most MILCs).
Jun 06, 2020 at 05:14 AM
p.40 #5EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
I'd need to revisit it on the Sony board, but the bokeh issue may be more that of electronic first curtain shutter, rather than full e-shutter because of the difference in how the electronic 'curtain' and physical shutter (second) curtain travel across the sensor. And IIRC it's more of a problem at ~1/500 or 1/1000 and higher?
As for movement distortion from the a9's full e-shutter, I only really noticed it with swinging golf clubs and then it was more the way the a9 read out the sensor in swaths. I'd bet the R5 will not have the readout speed of the a9 (unless Canon surprises us), therefore movement distortion would be more likely.
As for movement distortion from the a9's full e-shutter, I only really noticed it with swinging golf clubs and then it was more the way the a9 read out the sensor in swaths. I'd bet the R5 will not have the readout speed of the a9 (unless Canon surprises us), therefore movement distortion would be more likely.
Jun 08, 2020 at 01:07 AM
p.40 #6EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Right, the EFCS is what is causing asymmetrical bokeh issues, it can also cause uneven exposures with tilt-shift lenses at certain shutter speeds and apertures. But full electronic shutter should not cause either, it can cause probems when the scene features are moving, how that movement and the reading of the sensor interact.
Jun 08, 2020 at 01:35 AM
p.40 #7EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Forget about living up to hype for now.
Will it live up to actual production?
When?
Will it live up to actual production?
When?
Jun 08, 2020 at 09:22 AM
p.40 #8EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Well we just went and still are going through the effects of a world pandemic. Announcement in July apparently. I got two emails from Canon that is on it's way.
Jun 08, 2020 at 09:57 AM
p.40 #9EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
cameron12x wrote:
Forget about living up to hype for now.
Will it live up to actual production?
When?
Sounds like someone has a little GAS issue?
Forget about living up to hype for now.
Will it live up to actual production?
When?
Sounds like someone has a little GAS issue?
Jun 08, 2020 at 10:02 AM
p.40 #10EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
lighthound wrote:
Will it live up to actual production?
When?Sounds like someone has a little GAS issue?
I admit I'm getting a little GASsy too. I've had my 5D3 since 2013 and have tasted mirrorless. I'm ready for an upgrade.
cameron12x wrote
Forget about living up to hype for now.Will it live up to actual production?
When?
I admit I'm getting a little GASsy too. I've had my 5D3 since 2013 and have tasted mirrorless. I'm ready for an upgrade.
Jun 08, 2020 at 11:05 AM
p.40 #11EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
cameron12x wrote:
Forget about living up to hype for now.
Will it live up to actual production?
When?
I'm betting production will be constrained to some degree. But demand in the current world may be constrained also so it all may work out. Rumors say there will be a limited supply of cameras available for sale by end of July but not a typical supply we would normally expect from a popular new release. We shall see....
Forget about living up to hype for now.
Will it live up to actual production?
When?
I'm betting production will be constrained to some degree. But demand in the current world may be constrained also so it all may work out. Rumors say there will be a limited supply of cameras available for sale by end of July but not a typical supply we would normally expect from a popular new release. We shall see....
Jun 08, 2020 at 11:29 AM
p.40 #12EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
What is on its way .... the first shipment of the R5?
Zenon Char wrote:
Well we just went and still are going through the effects of a world pandemic. Announcement in July apparently. I got two emails from Canon that is on it's way.
Zenon Char wrote:
Well we just went and still are going through the effects of a world pandemic. Announcement in July apparently. I got two emails from Canon that is on it's way.
Jun 08, 2020 at 11:39 AM
p.40 #13EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
Will it live up to actual production?
When?I'm betting production will be constrained to some degree. But demand in the current world may be constrained also so it all may work out. Rumors say there will be a limited supply of cameras available for sale by end of July but not a typical supply we would normally expect from a popular new release. We shall see....
With sports, events, weddings, etc all canceled, I don't see demands for new cameras being strong for a while. I have some stuff I'd like to sell, but who's buying right now?
cameron12x wrote
Forget about living up to hype for now.Will it live up to actual production?
When?
With sports, events, weddings, etc all canceled, I don't see demands for new cameras being strong for a while. I have some stuff I'd like to sell, but who's buying right now?
Jun 08, 2020 at 11:43 AM
p.40 #14EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
bobbytan wrote:
What is on its way .... the first shipment of the R5?
Zenon Char wrote
Well we just went and still are going through the effects of a world pandemic. Announcement in July apparently. I got two emails from Canon that is on it's way.Yes.
Jun 08, 2020 at 12:09 PM
p.40 #15EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Mike_5D wrote:
Will it live up to actual production?
When?Sounds like someone has a little GAS issue? I admit I'm getting a little GASsy too. I've had my 5D3 since 2013 and have tasted mirrorless. I'm ready for an upgrade.
I wish I had your strength. I'm averaging a new body about every 1-2 years with my last one (lightly used 90D) about 7 months ago.
In a way, I'm actually relieved the R5 or R6 haven't been released yet. I have an Alaska trip coming up in Aug and didn't want the pressure or expense of a new body so close before the trip. Depending on the final specs, if either of these bodies met my needs/wants and were released right now, I'd probably already have one of them pre-ordered.
Now the pressure is off for a little while.
I'm hoping this will be my last body upgrade for many many years.
At least that's what I've been telling my better half for the last 5 months. She's not buying it though.
Then it's going to be time to slowly migrate over to RF glass. And the cycle begins again.
lighthound wrote
cameron12x wrote
Forget about living up to hype for now.Will it live up to actual production?
When?
I wish I had your strength.
I'm averaging a new body about every 1-2 years with my last one (lightly used 90D) about 7 months ago.In a way, I'm actually relieved the R5 or R6 haven't been released yet. I have an Alaska trip coming up in Aug and didn't want the pressure or expense of a new body so close before the trip. Depending on the final specs, if either of these bodies met my needs/wants and were released right now, I'd probably already have one of them pre-ordered.
Now the pressure is off for a little while.
I'm hoping this will be my last body upgrade for many many years.
At least that's what I've been telling my better half for the last 5 months. She's not buying it though.
Then it's going to be time to slowly migrate over to RF glass. And the cycle begins again.
Jun 08, 2020 at 12:39 PM
p.40 #16EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Checking in to see when we'll find out if this thing is still in play or not...
Jun 22, 2020 at 01:54 PM
p.40 #17EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
artsupreme wrote:
Checking in to see when we'll find out if this thing is still in play or not...
I think Canon loaned it to Sony! 😂
Checking in to see when we'll find out if this thing is still in play or not...
I think Canon loaned it to Sony! 😂
Jun 22, 2020 at 02:03 PM
p.40 #18EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
artsupreme wrote:
Checking in to see when we'll find out if this thing is still in play or not...
July 9th should give some more clues but the final verdict may not arrive till September release
Checking in to see when we'll find out if this thing is still in play or not...
July 9th should give some more clues but the final verdict may not arrive till September release
Jun 22, 2020 at 02:43 PM
p.40 #19EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
I'm betting production will be constrained to some degree. But demand in the current world may be constrained also so it all may work out. Rumors say there will be a limited supply of cameras available for sale by end of July but not a typical supply we would normally expect from a popular new release. We shall see....
Mike_5D wrote:
With sports, events, weddings, etc all canceled, I don't see demands for new cameras being strong for a while. I have some stuff I'd like to sell, but who's buying right now?
Yeah, good question...
All of my bookings have either been cancelled or postponed indefinitely. I haven't done paid photography since early March. In hindsight, I'm very glad I didn't jump on the 1DXIII at first release. That's $10K CAD more in my pocket (or debt that's not hanging over me right now)...
I'm very interested in the R5 but can make due with what I already have for a while longer.
Knowing how Canon has done releases in the past, I can (try to force myself to) wait until the early adopter 'tax' peters out and the first round of discounts start. But I might have to wait a year...
I'm betting production will be constrained to some degree. But demand in the current world may be constrained also so it all may work out. Rumors say there will be a limited supply of cameras available for sale by end of July but not a typical supply we would normally expect from a popular new release. We shall see....
Mike_5D wrote:
With sports, events, weddings, etc all canceled, I don't see demands for new cameras being strong for a while. I have some stuff I'd like to sell, but who's buying right now?
Yeah, good question...
All of my bookings have either been cancelled or postponed indefinitely. I haven't done paid photography since early March. In hindsight, I'm very glad I didn't jump on the 1DXIII at first release. That's $10K CAD more in my pocket (or debt that's not hanging over me right now)...
I'm very interested in the R5 but can make due with what I already have for a while longer.
Knowing how Canon has done releases in the past, I can (try to force myself to) wait until the early adopter 'tax' peters out and the first round of discounts start. But I might have to wait a year...
Jun 22, 2020 at 05:05 PM
p.40 #20EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
artsupreme wrote:
Checking in to see when we'll find out if this thing is still in play or not...
arbitrage wrote:
July 9th should give some more clues but the final verdict may not arrive till September release
I think the video folk may have crushed the resolution out of it.
EBH
Checking in to see when we'll find out if this thing is still in play or not...
arbitrage wrote:
July 9th should give some more clues but the final verdict may not arrive till September release
I think the video folk may have crushed the resolution out of it.
EBH
Jun 22, 2020 at 05:14 PM