We've seen almost all the R5 specifications and people seem excited. The big question seems to be whether it truly does 12fps in AI servo and what the exact MP count will be.
Given Canon's history, do people really think they are going to release a screamer that knocks everyone socks off with 12fps in AI servo at 40MP+?
Or, do you think it will end up being a slightly better 5DIV with slightly better if not the same IQ, and just more cropping power?
Based on history, I think we'll see the latter. Basically a 5DIV with 10 more MP. If that's true, I wonder where the price will land? Close to $4000?
If it's a legitimate 12fps in AI servo and performs like a sports body then this body would have to be close to $5000.
I understand the video might be better, but I'm not sure what the demand is for an 8K video camera right now.
Given Canon's history
Were you alive when the T-90 came out? The T-90 even knocked the socks off of people that only knew what an Instamatic was!
What about EOS?
What about the 50 f1.0 with AF?
What about the 200 f1.8 with AF
What about IS in a 500 f4?
What about the 5D mkl and mkll?
What about the 200-400 with a built-in extender?
Canon has a long history of Home Runs!!!
John
JohnSil wrote:
Given Canon's history
Were you alive when the T-90 came out? That knocked the socks even off of people that had only knew what an Instamatic was!
What about EOS?
What about the 50 f1.0 with AF?
What about the 200 f1.8 with AF
What about IS in a 500 f4?
What about the 5D mkl and mkll?
Canon has a long history of Home Runs!!!
John
Exactly my point. The last home run was the 5DmkII....and how long ago was that?
artsupreme wrote:
Exactly my point. The last home run was the 5DmkII....and how long ago was that?
Last home run was an EOS R
For under $2300, I wouldn't dream of a 5D mk iii or mk iv for that value. And it spared me selling my 85mm 1.2 L and enabled adatping Canon, Leica and gobs of lenses. Plus shedding weight. And maybe an odd icing on the cake, was Northrup and the Slanted Lens announcing their moves to the EOS R for video needs.
The EOS R is so good as-is, I still don't know whether I will be buying an RF5 or another EOS R this year, and I will have enough for either one. I'd really enjoy an RF body wiith two cards, but I have a DSLR with 2 cards that I will keep and use too, so I'm really shooting with 3 to 4 cards.
Guys, the R5 is complete, final FW, ready to ship.....
However, the only reason Canon is waiting till later this year to release the R5 is that it will take them that long to write, edit and publish the multi-volume supplemental manual of asterisks for this camera...
For under $2300, I wouldn't dream of a 5D mk ii or mk iv for that value. And it spared me selling my 85mm 1.2 L and enabled adatping Canon, Leica and gobs of lenses. Plus shedding weight.
And maybe an odd icing on the cake, was Northrup and the Slanted Lens announcing their moves to the EOS R for video needs.
EOS R a home run? No, but it was a decent first generation attempt.
A home run would be an EOS-R5 that performs like a sports body with 12fps AI servo @ 40MP and better IQ than 5DIV, but pricing would be right to label it a home run.
artsupreme wrote:
EOS R a home run? No, but it was a decent first generation attempt.
A home run would be an EOS-R5 that performs like a sports body with 12fps AI servo @ 40MP and better IQ than 5DIV, but pricing would be right to label it a home run.
Actually yes.
After a year of reading various mumbo jumbo from photographers wanting more in cameras, its almost becoming apparent that the deficiency may reside with photographers' lack to implement the wealth of tools already at their disposal.
What you wrote would not be a home run so much as a boost in specs and features and price.
Nobody should be unthankful for getting more. But most photographers should be able to do "hand stands" shooting with what's already been around for a few years.
The EOS R literally accomplished certain features that even Sony never attained so seamlessly.
After a year of reading various mumbo jumbo from photographers wanting more in cameras, its almost becoming apparent that the deficiency may reside with photographers' lack to implement the wealth of tools already at their disposal.
What you wrote would not be a home run so much as a boost in specs and features and price.
Nobody should be unthankful for getting more. But most photographers should be able to do "hand stands" shooting with what's already been around for a few years.
The EOS R literally accomplished certain features that even Sony never attained so seamlessly.
The EOS-R5 would be a home run as I stated above because it should have real controls on the back, dual slots, and IBIS unlike your EOS R...lack of dual slots alone on the R is one reason why it could never be considered a home run. But I understand you love your camera so that's all that matters.
artsupreme wrote:
The EOS-R5 would be a home run as I stated above because it should have real controls on the back, dual slots, and IBIS unlike your EOS R...lack of dual slots alone on the R is one reason why it could never be considered a home run. But I understand you love your camera so that's all that matters.
Has there really been any body introduced considered a "home run"? I know that term was used loosely but whenever a new model is introduced the amount of bashing that goes on day 1 is insane, so many photographers expect features for problems they have never experienced. Canon is definitely finding a way to make bodies and lens more expensive to own for more or less the same general output.
If the M6 ii can shoot 14 fps with servo, a 32mpix consumer model not equipped with a digic x, why should this camera not be able to do this at 12 fps?
Furthermore the current 5d4 is not mirrorless; big difference which opens up whole new ways in AF.
These pre-release announcements with limited information and hints at vague specs are specifically tuned to generate hype, so of course the final, fully disclosed list of specifications will include disappointments.
Just look at the 1DXIII. The pre-release conveniently omitted sensor resolution (like the R5). No change at 20MP was a disappointment, but other aspects of the camera are considerable improvements and in many respects I would consider it a home run product.
So what does the R5's 'up to' 12fps mechanical shutter and 'up to' 20fps electronic shutter really mean? Likely that One Shot AF will be at those speeds and AI Servo will be slower. How much slower? I have no idea but I believe it's risky to look at the R and RP to directly extrapolate the R5's capabilities. Both of those cameras were built around old sensor tech probably coupled with adequate but not great processors. Instead look at the 1DXIII in live view with AF tracking at 20fps, all while getting considerably better life out of the existing battery. Or as mentioned, the M6II, which IMO is massively faster and more usable than the M5 or M6 with a considerably higher pixel count, in an 'amateur' 'dead end' sub-system.
What is with you people and “up to” anyway? Has any camera ever sold been marketed as anything other than “up to” a specific frame rate.
Go look at Sonys, Nikons, Panasonic’s, etc description of their frame rates.
People are so desperate to have their current narratives about Canon sustained that they are either clinching tight to the hope that this camera will be a disappointment and crippled in comparison to the competition or blindly declaring Canon the victor of the mirrorless wars.
Is it really so hard to just wait for the actual information before throwing a tizzy fit about Canon crippling things or getting in to debate after debate over whether the EOS R is good?
for me, everything above 5 fps on this camera with fast reliable servo af would be perfect. but they should have made a 500 5.6. filling the niche in their line up between reasonably priced and very expensive. i can live with i.q. not being the absolute best. it's all good these days. fortunately there are competitors that do produce things to keep canon sharp, although i would have preferred to stick with one brand.
mdvaden wrote:
I get paid up to $800 per single photo shooting one frame per 5 seconds.
The mumbo jumbo you are writing about is a nothing burger in regards to what I get from the EOS R body.
If you can't succeed with an EOS R .. simple. Don't buy one.
If you couldn't have gotten the same results with the other gear you own or did own, then something is wrong already with your assessment. Your stitched landscape photos don't need high speed bursts, and could have been done with an M series even. Doing static scenery stitched photos isn't some magic sauce found on the EOS R. I feel you are being very misleading. One has to consider the fact that it doesn't matter how much you make per photo, that has nothing to do with the camera, it has to do with you being networked with the right folks, you being marketable as a photographer, and you being in the right place at the right time. If you feel the gear defines you, that is an issue.
The R is a good start but is lacking in many areas and even required a firmware update to fix something that was rushed. The R was only successful because it was the first Canon FF mirrorless using a good 3+ year old sensor, not because it was class leading.
Jesse Evans wrote:
What is with you people and “up to” anyway? Has any camera ever sold been marketed as anything other than “up to” a specific frame rate.
Go look at Sonys, Nikons, Panasonic’s, etc description of their frame rates.
People are so desperate to have their current narratives about Canon sustained that they are either clinching tight to the hope that this camera will be a disappointment and crippled in comparison to the competition or blindly declaring Canon the victor of the mirrorless wars.
Is it really so hard to just wait for the actual information before throwing a tizzy fit about Canon crippling things or getting in to debate after debate over whether the EOS R is good?...Show more →
The spirit is good, we just don't want to be disappointed when we can get our hands on one. Trying to bypass Roger Cicala's new equipment graph, going straight to the "useful tool" phase.
JohnSil wrote:
Given Canon's history
Were you alive when the T-90 came out? That knocked the socks even off of people that had only knew what an Instamatic was!
What about EOS?
What about the 50 f1.0 with AF?
What about the 200 f1.8 with AF
What about IS in a 500 f4?
What about the 5D mkl and mkll?
Canon has a long history of Home Runs!!!
John
artsupreme wrote:
Exactly my point. The last home run was the 5DmkII....and how long ago was that?
Where is the new 1DXIII swipe AF controller? 
