Archive 2020 · EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
p.41 #1EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Pius Sullivan wrote:
As much as I follow the rumors, I am also just waiting for Canon to release the R5—I've already sold off my Sony A9.
As I see it, both Sony and Canon are poised to release the next generation of hybrid cameras. I'm sure the specifications of these systems has long been solidified—price-point remains pliable depending on competition. How would it look if both these systems were comparable in terms of features, but had a significant price difference? Price-point has mostly been guided by cost and what the market can bear.That is interesting. I sold my 5D4 and got the R last fall. I could have purchased a Sony and I'm still thinking about it if the R5 doesn't pan out for my needs. I think it will. I might be interested in the R6 but I don't trust Canon will put the same level of AF as the R5.If Canon decides to put the 1dx III's capabilities into the R5, whats left for the 1dx mirrorless version?Stacked sensor for flawless e-shutter and blackout free EVF. Plus quad-pixel AF 
I'm not so sure I want electronic shutter, I see difference in bokeh with e-shutter and exposure shifts at higher shutter speeds... 
The bokeh reduction, bokeh artifacts, and uneven exposure risk introduced by EFCS and electronic shutter at high shutter speeds have to do with the slower sensor readout speed of most cameras. The A9 is not affected by this and likely (hopefully) neither will be the R5/6. There may be other artifacts of electronic shutter with high speed sensors, but bokeh integrity and exposure uniformity shouldn't be affected.
arbitrage wrote
Pius Sullivan wrote
Zenon Char wrote
Atlasman2 wrote
ArtSupreme wrote: For those of us who aren't following the rumors and just waiting for the R5 to be released, can you explain what you mean by this?As much as I follow the rumors, I am also just waiting for Canon to release the R5—I've already sold off my Sony A9.
As I see it, both Sony and Canon are poised to release the next generation of hybrid cameras. I'm sure the specifications of these systems has long been solidified—price-point remains pliable depending on competition. How would it look if both these systems were comparable in terms of features, but had a significant price difference? Price-point has mostly been guided by cost and what the market can bear.
The bokeh reduction, bokeh artifacts, and uneven exposure risk introduced by EFCS and electronic shutter at high shutter speeds have to do with the slower sensor readout speed of most cameras. The A9 is not affected by this and likely (hopefully) neither will be the R5/6. There may be other artifacts of electronic shutter with high speed sensors, but bokeh integrity and exposure uniformity shouldn't be affected.
Jun 23, 2020 at 06:53 PM
p.41 #2EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
I'm assuming the R5 will be smaller than a 7DII correct? I'm pretty sure it will be which means I should be able to retrofit it into my 7DII water housing.
Jun 24, 2020 at 01:18 PM
p.41 #3EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
artsupreme wrote:
I'm assuming the R5 will be smaller than a 7DII correct? I'm pretty sure it will be which means I should be able to retrofit it into my 7DII water housing.
Yes, the R5 is just slightly bigger than the R and the R is certainly smaller than the 7DII.
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I'm assuming the R5 will be smaller than a 7DII correct? I'm pretty sure it will be which means I should be able to retrofit it into my 7DII water housing.
Yes, the R5 is just slightly bigger than the R and the R is certainly smaller than the 7DII.
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Jun 24, 2020 at 01:57 PM
p.41 #4EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Atlasman2 wrote:
I think Canon loaned it to Sony! 😂
They most certainly did!
If not, Sony would have released an A7000 a year ago, and scoop up another 25% of the wildlife/birders community on top off what they snatched from Canon already. So Canon gave them their cripple hammer for free with the assurance they could keep it as long as they like. So now Sony is making good use of it, seeing that there will be no stacked sensor A7000, and the A7RIV just won't do birds proper....
artsupreme wrote
Checking in to see when we'll find out if this thing is still in play or not...They most certainly did!
If not, Sony would have released an A7000 a year ago, and scoop up another 25% of the wildlife/birders community on top off what they snatched from Canon already. So Canon gave them their cripple hammer for free with the assurance they could keep it as long as they like. So now Sony is making good use of it, seeing that there will be no stacked sensor A7000, and the A7RIV just won't do birds proper....
Jun 24, 2020 at 01:58 PM
p.41 #5EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
ChrisMak wrote:
I think Canon loaned it to Sony! 😂They most certainly did!
If not, Sony would have released an A7000 a year ago, and scoop up another 25% of the wildlife/birders community on top off what they snatched from Canon already. So Canon gave them their cripple hammer for free with the assurance they could keep it as long as they like. So now Sony is making good use of it, seeing that there will be no stacked sensor A7000, and the A7RIV just won't do birds proper....
It looks good on them! They didn’t count on Canon’s long term strategy and their will to be number one in mirrorless.
Atlasman2 wrote
artsupreme wrote
Checking in to see when we'll find out if this thing is still in play or not...If not, Sony would have released an A7000 a year ago, and scoop up another 25% of the wildlife/birders community on top off what they snatched from Canon already. So Canon gave them their cripple hammer for free with the assurance they could keep it as long as they like. So now Sony is making good use of it, seeing that there will be no stacked sensor A7000, and the A7RIV just won't do birds proper....
It looks good on them! They didn’t count on Canon’s long term strategy and their will to be number one in mirrorless.
Jun 24, 2020 at 02:27 PM
p.41 #6EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
I am a wedding photographer who does wildlife photography for hobby- I have captured over 600 weddings
Here is the bottom line for me with this R5
1- It has to be better than a 5D4 and be close to my 1Dx2 for performance
2- It has to focus in the dark and be able to hit moving objects at wedding receptions....the EOS R struggles here
Every wedding photographer I know that has both DSLR and Mirrorless...Puts the mirrorless away at receptions because they dont play well with flash assisted needs....The exception would be A9 users. They seem to have things figured out and work arounds for rolling shutter issues
R5 appears to be a massive upgrade for videographers. Wedding stills photographers may be better served with DSLR's if Canon mirrorless still has same issues as EOSR and Nikons Z6 systems
ask any reputable wedding photographer who uses both systems and you will get the same answers.
R5 must be better then current DSLR's for our needs
Here is the bottom line for me with this R5
1- It has to be better than a 5D4 and be close to my 1Dx2 for performance
2- It has to focus in the dark and be able to hit moving objects at wedding receptions....the EOS R struggles here
Every wedding photographer I know that has both DSLR and Mirrorless...Puts the mirrorless away at receptions because they dont play well with flash assisted needs....The exception would be A9 users. They seem to have things figured out and work arounds for rolling shutter issues
R5 appears to be a massive upgrade for videographers. Wedding stills photographers may be better served with DSLR's if Canon mirrorless still has same issues as EOSR and Nikons Z6 systems
ask any reputable wedding photographer who uses both systems and you will get the same answers.
R5 must be better then current DSLR's for our needs
Jun 24, 2020 at 06:44 PM
p.41 #7EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Is there any signs of the cripple hammer or does it live up to the hype? For the price, I hope it does live up to the hype
Jul 09, 2020 at 06:58 AM
p.41 #8EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
I was skeptical, to be honest, but from the specs and everything, it looks fantastic. Just wait for people to get it in hand because I'm sure some will have some gripes about it
Jul 09, 2020 at 07:28 AM
p.41 #9EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
slowdad wrote:
I am a wedding photographer who does wildlife photography for hobby- I have captured over 600 weddings
Here is the bottom line for me with this R5
1- It has to be better than a 5D4 and be close to my 1Dx2 for performance
2- It has to focus in the dark and be able to hit moving objects at wedding receptions....the EOS R struggles here
Every wedding photographer I know that has both DSLR and Mirrorless...Puts the mirrorless away at receptions because they dont play well with flash assisted needs....The exception would be A9 users. They seem to have things figured out and...Show more →
Weird that you mention this... I shoot in complete darkness with my R at reception and it performs wonderfully - much better than my 5DIV. I almost never shoot wedding repceptions with my 5DIV anymore.
I am a wedding photographer who does wildlife photography for hobby- I have captured over 600 weddings
Here is the bottom line for me with this R5
1- It has to be better than a 5D4 and be close to my 1Dx2 for performance
2- It has to focus in the dark and be able to hit moving objects at wedding receptions....the EOS R struggles here
Every wedding photographer I know that has both DSLR and Mirrorless...Puts the mirrorless away at receptions because they dont play well with flash assisted needs....The exception would be A9 users. They seem to have things figured out and...Show more →
Weird that you mention this... I shoot in complete darkness with my R at reception and it performs wonderfully - much better than my 5DIV. I almost never shoot wedding repceptions with my 5DIV anymore.
Jul 09, 2020 at 07:31 AM
p.41 #10EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
There‘s no120fps in 1080p. That’s interesting why they would leave it out..
I guess we have to wait to see what image quality is like now and how well it tracks action at 12fps
I guess we have to wait to see what image quality is like now and how well it tracks action at 12fps
Jul 09, 2020 at 07:42 AM
p.41 #11EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Any news on sensor read speed or comparison to a9 ?
Jul 09, 2020 at 07:48 AM
p.41 #12EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
I thought the R5 was reported to be having dual CFExpress slots?
Jul 09, 2020 at 07:54 AM
p.41 #13EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
I really think they have to add that in!! I hope so!!
artsupreme wrote:
There‘s no120fps in 1080p. That’s interesting why they would leave it out..
I guess we have to wait to see what image quality is like now and how well it tracks action at 12fps
artsupreme wrote:
There‘s no120fps in 1080p. That’s interesting why they would leave it out..
I guess we have to wait to see what image quality is like now and how well it tracks action at 12fps
Jul 09, 2020 at 08:06 AM
p.41 #14EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
bipock wrote:
I thought the R5 was reported to be having dual CFExpress slots?
No, it's always been rumored and now confirmed (1) CFexpress and (1) SD slot.
I think there was some poor written specs upon release that was confusing people.
I thought the R5 was reported to be having dual CFExpress slots?
No, it's always been rumored and now confirmed (1) CFexpress and (1) SD slot.
I think there was some poor written specs upon release that was confusing people.
Jul 09, 2020 at 08:11 AM
p.41 #15EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
It did live up to the hype - well done Canon!
Jul 09, 2020 at 08:28 AM
p.41 #16EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
nandadevieast wrote:
Any news on sensor read speed or comparison to a9 ?
Canon has been vaguely referencing increased read speeds to reduce rolling shutter but in the DPR article that seemed to be in context to the EOS R which is pretty slow. So I would guess that 1/60 like 1DXIII might be the best we can hope for??
I'm going to try and scour video orientated reviews when I have time to see if they show the rolling shutter. I think it will be not till after release till someone actually measures it like Jim Kasson.
Any news on sensor read speed or comparison to a9 ?
Canon has been vaguely referencing increased read speeds to reduce rolling shutter but in the DPR article that seemed to be in context to the EOS R which is pretty slow. So I would guess that 1/60 like 1DXIII might be the best we can hope for??
I'm going to try and scour video orientated reviews when I have time to see if they show the rolling shutter. I think it will be not till after release till someone actually measures it like Jim Kasson.
Jul 09, 2020 at 09:27 AM
p.41 #17EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
Canon has been vaguely referencing increased read speeds to reduce rolling shutter but in the DPR article that seemed to be in context to the EOS R which is pretty slow. So I would guess that 1/60 like 1DXIII might be the best we can hope for??
I'm going to try and scour video orientated reviews when I have time to see if they show the rolling shutter. I think it will be not till after release till someone actually measures it like Jim Kasson.
If I may ask, having done video with my 1DxIIIs, I've never noticed rolling shutter in any videos. I have seen it with e-shutter in my stills with fast moving subjects, similar to the EOS R and the Sony A7III. What would be the concern for rolling shutter in a video format given it's a set of moving images tied together?
nandadevieast wrote
Any news on sensor read speed or comparison to a9 ?I'm going to try and scour video orientated reviews when I have time to see if they show the rolling shutter. I think it will be not till after release till someone actually measures it like Jim Kasson.
If I may ask, having done video with my 1DxIIIs, I've never noticed rolling shutter in any videos. I have seen it with e-shutter in my stills with fast moving subjects, similar to the EOS R and the Sony A7III. What would be the concern for rolling shutter in a video format given it's a set of moving images tied together?
Jul 09, 2020 at 12:15 PM
p.41 #18EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Timothy OConn wrote:
It did live up to the hype - well done Canon!
The body did. The pricing and lenses didn’t.
It did live up to the hype - well done Canon!
The body did. The pricing and lenses didn’t.
Jul 09, 2020 at 12:59 PM
p.41 #19EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Timothy OConn wrote:
It did live up to the hype - well done Canon!
h00ligan wrote:
The body did. The pricing and lenses didn’t.
It's only a matter of time until prices settle, as they nearly always do. But it will depend on factors such as initial and sustained sales vs. Canon's forecast. Given these cameras will appeal to wedding/event photographers in the upgrade cycle, another question is how soon this group will jump in, given that many/most likely have lost a lot of revenue this year. For example, I haven't had a shoot since March with virtually zero revenue since, but these are pretty much the cameras I've been waiting for Canon to release and finally transition to mirrorless. Without Covid, I'd pay the early adopter premium, but now will likely wait until next year.
It did live up to the hype - well done Canon!
h00ligan wrote:
The body did. The pricing and lenses didn’t.
It's only a matter of time until prices settle, as they nearly always do. But it will depend on factors such as initial and sustained sales vs. Canon's forecast. Given these cameras will appeal to wedding/event photographers in the upgrade cycle, another question is how soon this group will jump in, given that many/most likely have lost a lot of revenue this year. For example, I haven't had a shoot since March with virtually zero revenue since, but these are pretty much the cameras I've been waiting for Canon to release and finally transition to mirrorless. Without Covid, I'd pay the early adopter premium, but now will likely wait until next year.
Jul 09, 2020 at 01:18 PM
p.41 #20EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Some people are suggesting they have limited capacity to reach demand. Looking at what they released for lenses and pricing everywhere that isn’t the USA. I think they are hedging all their bets on professionals and frankly don’t give a toss about those who may make excellent photos becuase they aren’t working wildlife/sports pros.
If the prices take a long time to settle or they don’t get some more lenses out that are reasonably priced and don’t have absurd aperture ranges. They’re handing Sony the rest of their non pro customers. Of course imo.
rscheffler wrote:
It's only a matter of time until prices settle, as they nearly always do. But it will depend on factors such as initial and sustained sales vs. Canon's forecast. Given these cameras will appeal to wedding/event photographers in the upgrade cycle, another question is how soon this group will jump in, given that many/most likely have lost a lot of revenue this year. For example, I haven't had a shoot since March with virtually zero revenue since, but these are pretty much the cameras I've been waiting for Canon to release and finally transition to mirrorless. Without Covid, I'd pay...Show more →
If the prices take a long time to settle or they don’t get some more lenses out that are reasonably priced and don’t have absurd aperture ranges. They’re handing Sony the rest of their non pro customers. Of course imo.
rscheffler wrote:
Timothy OConn wrote
It did live up to the hype - well done Canon!h00ligan wrote
The body did. The pricing and lenses didn’t.Jul 09, 2020 at 02:57 PM