RoamingScott wrote:
It's all relative right? Small compared to DSLR, but still one of the heavier/chunkier bodies in the full frame MILC market.
Glad to know the R5 isn't approaching 5D bloat.
I guess if that is good to you, but there are a lot of people out there who couldn't use Sony bodies because they were just too small and ergonomically poor. I would rather have a larger body than a smaller one, though I do wear size XL gloves.
The 5D or D850 type of form factor is just right for me without a grip.
My hands haven't changed size since using the Nikkormat EL in the 70s, so I don't suddenly want a camera that is too small to grip comfortably with a midsize lens like a 70-200/2.8 or 100-400. Maybe all the new photogs are Japanese girls with small hands?
My experience is that the a7R III or IV with a 100-400 causes more fatigue and feels heavier than a 5D series with a 100-400 simply due to the ergonomics. If I have to add a stupid grip to the 5R, then it will be larger than the 5D.
EB-1 wrote:
The 5D or D850 type of form factor is just right for me without a grip.
My hands haven't changed size since using the Nikkormat EL in the 70s, so I don't suddenly want a camera that is too small to grip comfortably with a midsize lens like a 70-200/2.8 or 100-400. Maybe all the new photogs are Japanese girls with small hands?
My experience is that the a7R III or IV with a 100-400 causes more fatigue and feels heavier than a 5D series with a 100-400 simply due to the ergonomics. If I have to add a stupid grip to the 5R, then it will be larger than the 5D.
The other day I had my 65lb dog in my left hand and my A7R3 and fully extended 100-400 in my right hand. This was one-handed, squatting with unsupported elbows, at 1/640. The reports of the heft or unreliability of such a combo is greatly exaggerated. Adding a small bracket with integrated pinky support helps a lot in Sony land.
Won't argue that DSLRs are pretty comfy, but at the end of the day they are simply larger than they NEED to be. I'd like something a bit bigger than the Sony line but still considerably smaller than the last gen of monster DSLRs.
Zenon Char wrote:
As for the RF 100-500. I'm curios as to why 7.1 when Sigma can do 150-600 at 6.3 and Nikon can do 200-500 at 5.6?
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background separation, but then again, for close images of small subjects, f/7.1 may be OK if it is sharp wide open. Personally I think even f/5.6 is small for a lot of applications.
ilkka_nissila wrote:
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background separation, but then again, for close images of small subjects, f/7.1 may be OK if it is sharp wide open. Personally I think even f/5.6 is small for a lot of applications.
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Biggest contributing factors towards lenses with small apertures are due to the improvements in camera sensors with better ISO capabilities, combine that with IBIS, improved lens stabilization this makes for a nice light weight walk around package. Most people don't want to drag around a big old tripod these days.
Lets not forget software, there has been some major improvements in that area in dealing with noise reduction and minor correction to image stabilizing...
But then again you're not going to nail birds inflight with 7.1 in the rain forest of BC on a cloudy day.
ilkka_nissila wrote:
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background separation, but then again, for close images of small subjects, f/7.1 may be OK if it is sharp wide open. Personally I think even f/5.6 is small for a lot of applications.
Zenon Char wrote:
It can focus with smaller apertures. I have used the the R at f/11.
Does Canon list the smallest aperture that it can still do AI Servo continuous focus with? 100-500 with 1.4TC at f/10 will be fine (based off people already using 100-400/2xTC at f/11). But is there any chance it will focus at 1000mm f/14?
Sony sets a limit that varies between bodies and has even been upgraded in FW over time. Most A7 series can do up to f/11. The A9 originally did f/11 and now can do up to f/16.
arbitrage wrote:
Does Canon list the smallest aperture that it can still do AI Servo continuous focus with? 100-500 with 1.4TC at f/10 will be fine (based off people already using 100-400/2xTC at f/11). But is there any chance it will focus at 1000mm f/14?
Sony sets a limit that varies between bodies and has even been upgraded in FW over time. Most A7 series can do up to f/11. The A9 originally did f/11 and now can do up to f/16.
arbitrage wrote:
Does Canon list the smallest aperture that it can still do AI Servo continuous focus with? 100-500 with 1.4TC at f/10 will be fine (based off people already using 100-400/2xTC at f/11). But is there any chance it will focus at 1000mm f/14?
Sony sets a limit that varies between bodies and has even been upgraded in FW over time. Most A7 series can do up to f/11. The A9 originally did f/11 and now can do up to f/16.
If you scroll down it says f/8 and f/11. Is 7.1 and 1.4 not f/8.5 or does it jump to 10? The million dollar question is f/14. Perhaps with the R5 but then you head into diffraction territory. Knocking at the door at f/11. I would't need 1000mm for BIF but it would be nice for stills of smaller birds.
CANON INC. HAS ALSO ANNOUNCED THE DEVELOPMENT OF 7 RF LENSES THIS YEAR INCLUDING A NEW RF TELEPHOTO ZOOM LENS, RF 100-500MM F/4.5-7.1 L IS USM
Development so who knows when we will see them. Some images show the 100-500 with both TC's but again who knows what the other 6 lenses are or are the TC's part of that count? A big prime for the 2X? Maybe my dream lens will be announced. Like Nikons 500 5.6. I'd buy that today.
Not only the camera is being previewed today, but seven new RF lenses and two teleconverters are on their way. The most eye-grabbing, and the only one for which we get a full name, is the RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L IS USM, the first big white lens to reach into true super-telephoto territory for Canon’s full-frame mirrorless cameras. There is even going to be an Extender RF 1.4x and Extender RF 2x to give a serious boost to the reach of select RF lenses when you need it. We don’t have any specific details on the other lenses slated for 2020, but it looks like Canon is going to be busy all year.
People who act indignant about f/7.1 at 500mm baffle me. I regularly have to stop my 100-400 down to f/8 to get a reasonable amount of subject in focus if I'm near MFD.
If I'm using it for landscapes I'm close to f/8 as well regardless for sharpness reasons.
I think it will be an amazing all arounder piece of glass to backpack with.
arbitrage wrote:
Does Canon list the smallest aperture that it can still do AI Servo continuous focus with? 100-500 with 1.4TC at f/10 will be fine (based off people already using 100-400/2xTC at f/11). But is there any chance it will focus at 1000mm f/14?
There will be no need to AF at f/10 or f/14. With the new RF 1.4x & 2x TC's they have probably designed them with Speed booster type optics. So when you want to shoot that 100-500 @ 1000mm F/4 just slap the 2X TC on.
Zenon Char wrote:
If you scroll down it says f/8 and f/11. Is 7.1 and 1.4 not f/8.5 or does it jump to 10? The million dollar question is f/14. Perhaps with the R5 but then you head into diffraction territory. Knocking at the door at f/11. I would't need 1000mm for BIF but it would be nice for stills of smaller birds.
CANON INC. HAS ALSO ANNOUNCED THE DEVELOPMENT OF 7 RF LENSES THIS YEAR INCLUDING A NEW RF TELEPHOTO ZOOM LENS, RF 100-500MM F/4.5-7.1 L IS USM
Development so who knows when we will see them. Some images show the 100-500 with both TC's but again who knows what the other 6 lenses are or are the TC's part of that count? A big prime for the 2X? Maybe my dream lens will be announced. Like Nikons 500 5.6. I'd buy that today.
You lose 1 stop of light with a 1.4TC so when looking at the 1/3stop scale we get f/10 being one stop away from 7.1. f/14 is two stops with the 2xTC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-number
arbitrage wrote:
You lose 1 stop of light with a 1.4TC so when looking at the 1/3stop scale we get f/10 being one stop away from 7.1. f/14 is two stops with the 2xTC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-number
cameron12x wrote:
IF the body doesn't ship this year, it will be the biggest corporate tease in Canon's history.
Tease /tēz/
verb
1. make fun of or attempt to provoke (a person or animal) in a playful way.
Similar:
make fun of
poke fun at
chaff
make jokes about
rag
mock
It would be preposterous to think Canon is using the current global disaster as a way to have some fun.
I'm quite sure there will be thousands of happy R5 owners this year. However due to the current world crisis, I would strongly suggest to move quickly once pre-orders begin if anyone wants to get their hands on one of these this year. It's very likely to sell out quickly thus creating the biggest backlog of orders in Canons history.
But who knows, maybe they have moved their tooling and sourced different suppliers throughout the world in order to ramp up production to avoid any shortages.
If toilet paper companies can figure it out, I'm pretty sure corporations like Canon can.
lighthound wrote:
Tease /tēz/
verb
1. make fun of or attempt to provoke (a person or animal) in a playful way.
Similar:
make fun of
poke fun at
chaff
make jokes about
rag
mock
It would be preposterous to think Canon is using the current global disaster as a way to have some fun.
I'm quite sure there will be thousands of happy R5 owners this year. However due to the current world crisis, I would strongly suggest to move quickly once pre-orders begin if anyone wants to get their hands on one of these this year. It's very likely to sell out quickly thus creating the biggest backlog of orders in Canons history.
But who knows, maybe they have moved their tooling and sourced different suppliers throughout the world in order to ramp up production to avoid any shortages.
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Didn't say they were having fun, lol.
When are we actually going to see the specifications for the entire camera? And its price?
