Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
p.4 #1Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Edit - what's the point of talking about cameras anyway? Here are a few pics. Elmarit-M 28 Asph or Nokton 40/1.2, resized on my phone so they may or may not look like crap...
Apr 03, 2020 at 11:32 AM
p.4 #2Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
I still need to download the firmware... Couple interesting comparisons
FP vs A7 III
https://theslantedlens.com/2019/sigma-fp-vs-sony-a7-iii-can-sigma-change-my-mind/
FP vs Panasonic SH1
https://theslantedlens.com/2020/sigma-fp-vs-panasonic-s1h-ultimate-camera-comparison/
FP vs A7 III
https://theslantedlens.com/2019/sigma-fp-vs-sony-a7-iii-can-sigma-change-my-mind/
FP vs Panasonic SH1
https://theslantedlens.com/2020/sigma-fp-vs-panasonic-s1h-ultimate-camera-comparison/
Apr 10, 2020 at 09:08 AM
p.4 #4Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Interesting lens for FP, but it looks like no IS:
LEAKED image of the new Panasonic LUMIX S 20-60mm F3.5-5.6 lens
LEAKED image of the new Panasonic LUMIX S 20-60mm F3.5-5.6 lens
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May 19, 2020 at 11:50 AM
p.4 #5Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
IS is nice but with the iso performance on the fp not as necessary as on some of the other cameras, in particular, the other Sigma foveon sensor cameras.
Mike
Mike
May 19, 2020 at 01:53 PM
p.4 #6Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Looks like a cool lens!
I'm still smitten with the fp's output and loving the compact form factor. However, it's still kinda slim pickin's as far as lenses for L Mount, especially in the wide end, and especially in the compact / affordable range.
As fun as it is to adapt manual lenses to the fp, The number of native lenses available in my preferred focal length / size / price range is exactly one - the fantastic 45/2.8 - so I'm *really* hoping that other brands start contributing. Samyang/Rokinon would make great compact / light / affordable lenses, Voigtlander could bring their magic and throw a few more Leica-killers in the mix - especially wides - and if Laowa made their 15/2 Zero-D in L Mount, I'd buy it tomorrow.
Please?
I'm still smitten with the fp's output and loving the compact form factor. However, it's still kinda slim pickin's as far as lenses for L Mount, especially in the wide end, and especially in the compact / affordable range.
As fun as it is to adapt manual lenses to the fp, The number of native lenses available in my preferred focal length / size / price range is exactly one - the fantastic 45/2.8 - so I'm *really* hoping that other brands start contributing. Samyang/Rokinon would make great compact / light / affordable lenses, Voigtlander could bring their magic and throw a few more Leica-killers in the mix - especially wides - and if Laowa made their 15/2 Zero-D in L Mount, I'd buy it tomorrow.
Please?
May 22, 2020 at 06:00 PM
p.4 #7Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Sigma CEO said in an interview 2 months ago that other small L-mount lenses in same style as 45/2.8 should be in the pipeline from Sigma next so I hope they'll announce something any time now... 21mm, 28mm might be likely based on the focal lengths they've had available in their fixed lens DPx cameras since DP2 was 45mm equivalent.
https://m.dpreview.com/interviews/2134621161/sigma-interview-smaller-high-quality-lenses-coming-in-the-near-future
imagesfromobjects wrote:
Looks like a cool lens!
I'm still smitten with the fp's output and loving the compact form factor. However, it's still kinda slim pickin's as far as lenses for L Mount, especially in the wide end, and especially in the compact / affordable range.
As fun as it is to adapt manual lenses to the fp, The number of native lenses available in my preferred focal length / size / price range is exactly one - the fantastic 45/2.8 - so I'm *really* hoping that other brands start contributing. Samyang/Rokinon would make great compact / light / affordable lenses, Voigtlander could...Show more →
https://m.dpreview.com/interviews/2134621161/sigma-interview-smaller-high-quality-lenses-coming-in-the-near-future
imagesfromobjects wrote:
Looks like a cool lens!
I'm still smitten with the fp's output and loving the compact form factor. However, it's still kinda slim pickin's as far as lenses for L Mount, especially in the wide end, and especially in the compact / affordable range.
As fun as it is to adapt manual lenses to the fp, The number of native lenses available in my preferred focal length / size / price range is exactly one - the fantastic 45/2.8 - so I'm *really* hoping that other brands start contributing. Samyang/Rokinon would make great compact / light / affordable lenses, Voigtlander could...Show more →
May 22, 2020 at 09:36 PM
p.4 #8Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Hope so!!
Yes, it's ESPECIALLY in the wide end that L mount is lacking, and where it is most necessary to have native designs. I'd love to see Voigtlander join the fray with the likes of their 21/3.5 E mount. That lens would be a perfect fit for the fp.
Juha Kannisto wrote:
Sigma CEO said in an interview 2 months ago that other small L-mount lenses in same style as 45/2.8 should be in the pipeline from Sigma next so I hope they'll announce something any time now... 21mm, 28mm might be likely based on the focal lengths they've had available in their fixed lens DPx cameras since DP2 was 45mm equivalent.
https://m.dpreview.com/interviews/2134621161/sigma-interview-smaller-high-quality-lenses-coming-in-the-near-future
imagesfromobjects wrote
Looks like a cool lens!I'm still smitten with the fp's output and loving the compact form factor. However, it's still kinda slim pickin's as far as lenses for L Mount, especially in the wide end, and especially in the compact / affordable range.
As fun as it is to adapt manual lenses to the fp, The number of native lenses available in my preferred focal length / size / price range is exactly one - the fantastic 45/2.8 - so I'm *really* hoping that other brands start contributing. Samyang/Rokinon would make great compact / light / affordable lenses, Voigtlander could bring their magic and throw a few more Leica-killers in the mix - especially wides - and if Laowa made their 15/2 Zero-D in L Mount, I'd buy it tomorrow.
Please?
May 22, 2020 at 10:03 PM
p.4 #9Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
I guess Sigma might have something lined up for June when summer bonuses are received in Japan and with the state of emergency getting lifted in all remaining areas of Japan any day now... At least it would make some commercial sense.
A native CV 21/3.5 for L-mount would indeed be great. I have the VM and also the E-mount version of that lens. VM is great on the fp except for a bit of color shading. A native version could compensate for that and have EXIF etc. so that would be perfect but there are no signs of CV venturing into L-mount so far.
imagesfromobjects wrote:
Hope so!!
Yes, it's ESPECIALLY in the wide end that L mount is lacking, and where it is most necessary to have native designs. I'd love to see Voigtlander join the fray with the likes of their 21/3.5 E mount. That lens would be a perfect fit for the fp.
https://m.dpreview.com/interviews/2134621161/sigma-interview-smaller-high-quality-lenses-coming-in-the-near-future
I'm still smitten with the fp's output and loving the compact form factor. However, it's still kinda slim pickin's as far as lenses for L Mount, especially in the wide end, and especially in the compact / affordable range.
As fun as it is to adapt manual lenses to the fp, The number of native lenses available in my preferred focal length / size / price range is exactly one - the fantastic 45/2.8 - so I'm *really* hoping that other brands start contributing. Samyang/Rokinon would make great compact / light / affordable lenses, Voigtlander could bring their magic and throw a few more Leica-killers in the mix - especially wides - and if Laowa made their 15/2 Zero-D in L Mount, I'd buy it tomorrow.
Please?
A native CV 21/3.5 for L-mount would indeed be great. I have the VM and also the E-mount version of that lens. VM is great on the fp except for a bit of color shading. A native version could compensate for that and have EXIF etc. so that would be perfect but there are no signs of CV venturing into L-mount so far.
imagesfromobjects wrote:
Hope so!!
Yes, it's ESPECIALLY in the wide end that L mount is lacking, and where it is most necessary to have native designs. I'd love to see Voigtlander join the fray with the likes of their 21/3.5 E mount. That lens would be a perfect fit for the fp.
Juha Kannisto wrote
Sigma CEO said in an interview 2 months ago that other small L-mount lenses in same style as 45/2.8 should be in the pipeline from Sigma next so I hope they'll announce something any time now... 21mm, 28mm might be likely based on the focal lengths they've had available in their fixed lens DPx cameras since DP2 was 45mm equivalent.https://m.dpreview.com/interviews/2134621161/sigma-interview-smaller-high-quality-lenses-coming-in-the-near-future
imagesfromobjects wrote
Looks like a cool lens!I'm still smitten with the fp's output and loving the compact form factor. However, it's still kinda slim pickin's as far as lenses for L Mount, especially in the wide end, and especially in the compact / affordable range.
As fun as it is to adapt manual lenses to the fp, The number of native lenses available in my preferred focal length / size / price range is exactly one - the fantastic 45/2.8 - so I'm *really* hoping that other brands start contributing. Samyang/Rokinon would make great compact / light / affordable lenses, Voigtlander could bring their magic and throw a few more Leica-killers in the mix - especially wides - and if Laowa made their 15/2 Zero-D in L Mount, I'd buy it tomorrow.
Please?
May 22, 2020 at 10:37 PM
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p.4 #11Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Hey all, I finally got around to renting an fp, so I thought I’d share some impressions I had during my time with it. I was interested in the fp as a compact stills camera to use with M-mount lenses (I primarily use an M240). Here's my stream-of-consciousness thoughts.
First Impressions
-Love the size, feels solid.
-The menu system reminds me of Sony.
-Turn on time was decent.
-I found no shutter lag. I had seen a couple of reports of shutter lag online so I was on the lookout for this. I did take some shots where lag (or lack thereof) is critical and I found the response time to be on point.
Lens Shading Compensation (to correct color casts with adapted lenses)
-A must for the wide angle lenses I used (21, 28, 35). I shot through a piece of white acrylic to generate the compensation.
-I still see slight magenta casts in the corners/edges under some circumstances, but it's slight vs. the heavy cyan cast of an uncompensated lens.
-Compensation does appear to be recorded in the DNG.
-Here’s an example of the correction for the 28mm Summilux. (Not sure if you can make it out at this size, but this shows the extent of smearing too).
Focus Magnification
-I liked this, with caveats. A half press removes the magnification, and it doesn’t cancel it completely if you let go after the half-press. This would be good, but you have to cancel magnification if you want to adjust exposure. It would be awesome to be able to adjust shutter speed/exp. compensation while magnification is active. This would also mean exposure information would need to remain on screen.
Preview Exposure
-In Manual mode, over/under exposure is reflected on the screen rather than normalizing the view and revealing the effects of exposure upon shutter half-press.
-In Shutter Priority mode, the view was normalized, but still no preview of the actual exposure on half-press.
LCD viewing
-When outdoors, there were many situations where the LCD was washed out due to sunlight or reflections. Focus was either difficult or impossible.
Color/Image Quality
-Color and clarity is outstanding.
-High ISO performance is impressive.
-I did encounter banding under artificial light.
-I feel like the metering tends toward underexposure more often than not.
-Overexposure on this sensor seems to render more inelegantly than other cameras. In hindsight, I wish I had done a side-by-side test for this. Anyone else have this feeling?
Random Bits
-I found adjusting shutter speed with top dial awkward for some reason ... until I realized it had a reversed operation from the M240. I was pleasantly surprised to find there’s an option to change the direction.
-Camera does not save last settings after a power off if you’ve changed anything subsequent to setting a custom mode. It reverts back to the custom mode’s original settings when powered back up.
-A couple of times, I found the focus point to be off-center. I’m guessing it’s from inadvertent touching of the back of the camera. -I did put the lock feature on the QS menu but after a couple of times I just couldn’t be bothered to engage it.
-I downloaded Sigma Photo Pro so I could play with the color settings of the images. It was a slow and painful experience.
-I had several one-off glitches. Memory card error; unable to zoom in during image review; complete lock-up requiring battery removal.
-Worth mentioning that the camera acted squirrely a couple of times due to using the macro helical on the adapter (a Kipon). The screen would go blank and doing random things like pressing the shutter or pressing the mount release button would make it go back to normal.
I was fully ready to buy the fp, but I rented it first because there was that nagging doubt of operation without an evf and I wanted to see the extent of artifacts with adapted wide angle lenses. I think the lens shading compensation is a decent solution to the lens problem. In the end though, the lack of evf is too much of a hurdle for my use. Unfortunately, Sigma’s accessory viewfinder is a non-starter for me as it would add too much volume. Since my intention for the fp would be as a take-everywhere compact camera, the viewfinder is a concession I wouldn’t be willing to make.
The last time I was excited about a camera was 7 years ago so kudos to Sigma for doing something interesting. Although I'm passing this time around, I'll be looking forward to further firmware refinements and future versions of the fp. I hope in subsequent versions we'll see hardware changes to accommodate stills shooters.
First Impressions
-Love the size, feels solid.
-The menu system reminds me of Sony.
-Turn on time was decent.
-I found no shutter lag. I had seen a couple of reports of shutter lag online so I was on the lookout for this. I did take some shots where lag (or lack thereof) is critical and I found the response time to be on point.
Lens Shading Compensation (to correct color casts with adapted lenses)
-A must for the wide angle lenses I used (21, 28, 35). I shot through a piece of white acrylic to generate the compensation.
-I still see slight magenta casts in the corners/edges under some circumstances, but it's slight vs. the heavy cyan cast of an uncompensated lens.
-Compensation does appear to be recorded in the DNG.
-Here’s an example of the correction for the 28mm Summilux. (Not sure if you can make it out at this size, but this shows the extent of smearing too).
Focus Magnification
-I liked this, with caveats. A half press removes the magnification, and it doesn’t cancel it completely if you let go after the half-press. This would be good, but you have to cancel magnification if you want to adjust exposure. It would be awesome to be able to adjust shutter speed/exp. compensation while magnification is active. This would also mean exposure information would need to remain on screen.
Preview Exposure
-In Manual mode, over/under exposure is reflected on the screen rather than normalizing the view and revealing the effects of exposure upon shutter half-press.
-In Shutter Priority mode, the view was normalized, but still no preview of the actual exposure on half-press.
LCD viewing
-When outdoors, there were many situations where the LCD was washed out due to sunlight or reflections. Focus was either difficult or impossible.
Color/Image Quality
-Color and clarity is outstanding.
-High ISO performance is impressive.
-I did encounter banding under artificial light.
-I feel like the metering tends toward underexposure more often than not.
-Overexposure on this sensor seems to render more inelegantly than other cameras. In hindsight, I wish I had done a side-by-side test for this. Anyone else have this feeling?
Random Bits
-I found adjusting shutter speed with top dial awkward for some reason ... until I realized it had a reversed operation from the M240. I was pleasantly surprised to find there’s an option to change the direction.
-Camera does not save last settings after a power off if you’ve changed anything subsequent to setting a custom mode. It reverts back to the custom mode’s original settings when powered back up.
-A couple of times, I found the focus point to be off-center. I’m guessing it’s from inadvertent touching of the back of the camera. -I did put the lock feature on the QS menu but after a couple of times I just couldn’t be bothered to engage it.
-I downloaded Sigma Photo Pro so I could play with the color settings of the images. It was a slow and painful experience.
-I had several one-off glitches. Memory card error; unable to zoom in during image review; complete lock-up requiring battery removal.
-Worth mentioning that the camera acted squirrely a couple of times due to using the macro helical on the adapter (a Kipon). The screen would go blank and doing random things like pressing the shutter or pressing the mount release button would make it go back to normal.
I was fully ready to buy the fp, but I rented it first because there was that nagging doubt of operation without an evf and I wanted to see the extent of artifacts with adapted wide angle lenses. I think the lens shading compensation is a decent solution to the lens problem. In the end though, the lack of evf is too much of a hurdle for my use. Unfortunately, Sigma’s accessory viewfinder is a non-starter for me as it would add too much volume. Since my intention for the fp would be as a take-everywhere compact camera, the viewfinder is a concession I wouldn’t be willing to make.
The last time I was excited about a camera was 7 years ago so kudos to Sigma for doing something interesting. Although I'm passing this time around, I'll be looking forward to further firmware refinements and future versions of the fp. I hope in subsequent versions we'll see hardware changes to accommodate stills shooters.
May 27, 2020 at 06:19 PM
p.4 #12Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Sigma has set up an online new product presentation for 6/18 where they will announce some new DN series (dedicated to mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras) interchangeable lenses. I hope they include some new ones in this announcement in the same size and style as 45/2.8 DG DN although the new product leaks/rumors didn't mention any of those yet...
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/
Jun 15, 2020 at 04:07 AM
p.4 #13Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Juha Kannisto wrote:
Sigma has set up an online new product presentation for 6/18 where they will announce some new DN series (dedicated to mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras) interchangeable lenses. I hope they include some new ones in this announcement in the same size and style as 45/2.8 DG DN although the new product leaks/rumors didn't mention any of those yet...
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/
Not expecting it, but would love if they made a 28mm in the same style as the 45.
Sigma has set up an online new product presentation for 6/18 where they will announce some new DN series (dedicated to mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras) interchangeable lenses. I hope they include some new ones in this announcement in the same size and style as 45/2.8 DG DN although the new product leaks/rumors didn't mention any of those yet...
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/
Not expecting it, but would love if they made a 28mm in the same style as the 45.
Jun 15, 2020 at 10:54 AM
p.4 #14Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
At one point they did talk about making other focal lengths in the spirit of the 45. I’m with you, I’ll take a 24-28, anywhere in there works for me. I’d take an 85/2.8 as well.
rps_23 wrote:
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/Not expecting it, but would love if they made a 28mm in the same style as the 45.
rps_23 wrote:
Juha Kannisto wrote
Sigma has set up an online new product presentation for 6/18 where they will announce some new DN series (dedicated to mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras) interchangeable lenses. I hope they include some new ones in this announcement in the same size and style as 45/2.8 DG DN although the new product leaks/rumors didn't mention any of those yet...https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/
Jun 15, 2020 at 11:06 AM
p.4 #15Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
The new lenses are 16/30/56mm apsc lenses that were previously released for Sony E, m43, Canon M mounts:
https://www.l-rumors.com/sigma-will-also-announce-the-new-16-30-56mm-f1-4-dc-dn-lenses/
These were announced last year and it took a while... 56mm works on FF with vignetting eg for portraits, but distortion is much worse...
It looks like eventually small lenses will come for FP:
https://www.gizmodo.jp/2020/06/sigma-ceo-kazuto-yamaki-interview-jp.html
Juha Kannisto wrote:
Sigma has set up an online new product presentation for 6/18 where they will announce some new DN series (dedicated to mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras) interchangeable lenses. I hope they include some new ones in this announcement in the same size and style as 45/2.8 DG DN although the new product leaks/rumors didn't mention any of those yet...
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/
Also Panasonic 20-60mm review & samples:
https://www.dpreview.com/samples/3748424689/panasonic-20-60mm-f3-5-5-6-pre-production-sample-gallery
https://www.l-rumors.com/sigma-will-also-announce-the-new-16-30-56mm-f1-4-dc-dn-lenses/
These were announced last year and it took a while... 56mm works on FF with vignetting eg for portraits, but distortion is much worse...
It looks like eventually small lenses will come for FP:
https://www.gizmodo.jp/2020/06/sigma-ceo-kazuto-yamaki-interview-jp.html
Juha Kannisto wrote:
Sigma has set up an online new product presentation for 6/18 where they will announce some new DN series (dedicated to mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras) interchangeable lenses. I hope they include some new ones in this announcement in the same size and style as 45/2.8 DG DN although the new product leaks/rumors didn't mention any of those yet...
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/
Also Panasonic 20-60mm review & samples:
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https://www.dpreview.com/samples/3748424689/panasonic-20-60mm-f3-5-5-6-pre-production-sample-gallery
Jun 15, 2020 at 12:43 PM
p.4 #16Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Last year when Sigma had a major product announcement session there were a big number of lenses + Sigma fp and some of them had not been leaked prior to announcement so I'm hoping there could be something more in this announcement too
I suppose everything that Nokishita listed here will be covered but there could be some others too:
https://twitter.com/nokishita_c/status/1271567805960163328?s=19
That Panasonic 20-60 should become available for pre-orders in Japan today. I saw some review videos yesterday. Looks nice especially for the wide end but I'm still more keen on waiting for small primes in the style of 45/2.8, even though the zoom is small and light for a zoom. I'm generally more into primes and I've sold most of the zooms I had for my Sony system.
serhan_ wrote:
The new lenses are 16/30/56mm apsc lenses that were previously released for Sony E, m43, Canon M mounts:
https://www.l-rumors.com/sigma-will-also-announce-the-new-16-30-56mm-f1-4-dc-dn-lenses/
These were announced last year and it took a while... 56mm works on FF with vignetting eg for portraits, but distortion is much worse...
It looks like eventually small lenses will come for FP:
https://www.gizmodo.jp/2020/06/sigma-ceo-kazuto-yamaki-interview-jp.html
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/Also Panasonic 20-60mm review & samples:
https://www.dpreview.com/samples/3748424689/panasonic-20-60mm-f3-5-5-6-pre-production-sample-gallery
I suppose everything that Nokishita listed here will be covered but there could be some others too:
https://twitter.com/nokishita_c/status/1271567805960163328?s=19
That Panasonic 20-60 should become available for pre-orders in Japan today. I saw some review videos yesterday. Looks nice especially for the wide end but I'm still more keen on waiting for small primes in the style of 45/2.8, even though the zoom is small and light for a zoom. I'm generally more into primes and I've sold most of the zooms I had for my Sony system.
serhan_ wrote:
The new lenses are 16/30/56mm apsc lenses that were previously released for Sony E, m43, Canon M mounts:
https://www.l-rumors.com/sigma-will-also-announce-the-new-16-30-56mm-f1-4-dc-dn-lenses/
These were announced last year and it took a while... 56mm works on FF with vignetting eg for portraits, but distortion is much worse...
It looks like eventually small lenses will come for FP:
https://www.gizmodo.jp/2020/06/sigma-ceo-kazuto-yamaki-interview-jp.html
Juha Kannisto wrote
Sigma has set up an online new product presentation for 6/18 where they will announce some new DN series (dedicated to mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras) interchangeable lenses. I hope they include some new ones in this announcement in the same size and style as 45/2.8 DG DN although the new product leaks/rumors didn't mention any of those yet...https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/
https://www.dpreview.com/samples/3748424689/panasonic-20-60mm-f3-5-5-6-pre-production-sample-gallery
Jun 15, 2020 at 07:49 PM
p.4 #17Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
They've been talking about releasing similar small lenses like 45/2.8 multiple times, even before Sigma fp was released and again in various interviews after that so I'm hoping they'll get to it soon. Last year when I took part in one Sigma hands-on product demo session in Tokyo before buying my own fp I also talked to their staff and they were mentioning the plans for additional smaller lenses like 45/2.8 back then too but couldn't give any further details on unannounced products...
Recently they've been promoting fp more and more at least in Japan (I suppose because the FF Foveon isn't happening anytime soon) so it would make sense to bring out more lenses that are a good fit for the fp soon as well to make it more appealing Personally I really want a 28mm and secondarily a 21mm (or 20mm) that would have similar housing as the 45/2.8.
In the wide end my adapted RF glass has more color shift toward the edges even though corner-to-corner sharpness is fine so that's where some small native primes would be most appealing.
AdaptedLenses wrote:
At one point they did talk about making other focal lengths in the spirit of the 45. I’m with you, I’ll take a 24-28, anywhere in there works for me. I’d take an 85/2.8 as well.
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/Not expecting it, but would love if they made a 28mm in the same style as the 45.
Recently they've been promoting fp more and more at least in Japan (I suppose because the FF Foveon isn't happening anytime soon) so it would make sense to bring out more lenses that are a good fit for the fp soon as well to make it more appealing
Personally I really want a 28mm and secondarily a 21mm (or 20mm) that would have similar housing as the 45/2.8. In the wide end my adapted RF glass has more color shift toward the edges even though corner-to-corner sharpness is fine so that's where some small native primes would be most appealing.
AdaptedLenses wrote:
At one point they did talk about making other focal lengths in the spirit of the 45. I’m with you, I’ll take a 24-28, anywhere in there works for me. I’d take an 85/2.8 as well.
rps_23 wrote
Juha Kannisto wrote
Sigma has set up an online new product presentation for 6/18 where they will announce some new DN series (dedicated to mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras) interchangeable lenses. I hope they include some new ones in this announcement in the same size and style as 45/2.8 DG DN although the new product leaks/rumors didn't mention any of those yet...https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/15/2707/
Jun 15, 2020 at 09:56 PM
p.4 #18Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Now the Panasonic Lumix S 20-60 has become available for pre-orders in Japan (Japan release date 7/22):
https://www.mapcamera.com/item/4549980636503
The tax inclusive price is 73260 yen at Map Camera (usually among the cheapest prices), which translates to $682. A bit more than the $599.99 U.S. price.
https://www.mapcamera.com/item/4549980636503
The tax inclusive price is 73260 yen at Map Camera (usually among the cheapest prices), which translates to $682. A bit more than the $599.99 U.S. price.
Jun 16, 2020 at 01:22 AM
p.4 #19Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
New firmware 2.0 is available for Sigma fp:
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/25/2769/
This includes a lot of new stuff especially for video side:
[Newly introduced functionality]
– Supporting Cinemagraph creation and playback.
– CinemaDNG footages playback
– Supports still capture during live view and movie shooting in Cine mode
– Supports still image capture from movie files (CinemaDNG, MOV) shot with the SIGMA fp
– Supports HDR in movie shooting
– Supports still and movie shooting in Director’s Viewfinder mode
– Supports DCI 4K 12bit / HDMI Raw output
– Supports RAW over HDMI recording with Atomos Ninja V monitor-recorder*
* A free AtomOS firmware update for Ninja V is required.
– Supports recording Blackmagic RAW codec over HDMI with Blackmagic Video Assist 12G models*
* Requires firmware update of Video Assist 12G models using Video Assist Update 3.3.
– Camera movement control is compatible with ZHIYUN Weebill S gimbal.
* Firmware update of the corresponding device is required.
*Please refer to ZHIYUN firmware release information about functions supported. Since not all functions will be supported in this firmware update, both SIGMA and ZHIYUN will need to continue working on this to make more and more functions to be compatible in future firmware updates.
– Instruction message appears when attempting to use greyed-out items in SHOOT menu
– Supports camera control in USB mode*
* The SDK (Software Development Kit) for controlling the camera is scheduled to be available by early July.
[Enhanced/modified functionality]
– Supports Dual Base ISO (ISO100 and 3200)
– Improved AF performance
– Improved accuracy with evaluative exposure metering
– Improved image quality
– Supports CinemaDNG 25 and 29.97 fps (UHD 12bit) shooting
– Supports CinemaDNG 100 fps (FHD 12bit) shooting
– Supports CinemaDNG 100 and 119.88 fps (FHD 8bit and 10bit) shooting
– “OFF” option available in Color mode
– Exposure adjustment available in QS (Quick Set)
– Tone control setting “Auto (Mild / Strong)” available during movie shooting
– Supports USB Video Class (UVC) setting adjustments while the fp is connected to USB
– Supports time code generation
– Compatible with BWF format
– Supports file size changes at aspect ratio 7:6
– Supports changes of shutter sound effect
[Bug corrections]
– The phenomenon of flickering in dark areas in video footages has been corrected
– Bugs in USB Video Class (UVC) setting when connected to USB or during movie shooting have been corrected
– Improved recording stability with recording media
– Other minor bugs have been corrected
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/25/2769/
This includes a lot of new stuff especially for video side:
[Newly introduced functionality]
– Supporting Cinemagraph creation and playback.
– CinemaDNG footages playback
– Supports still capture during live view and movie shooting in Cine mode
– Supports still image capture from movie files (CinemaDNG, MOV) shot with the SIGMA fp
– Supports HDR in movie shooting
– Supports still and movie shooting in Director’s Viewfinder mode
– Supports DCI 4K 12bit / HDMI Raw output
– Supports RAW over HDMI recording with Atomos Ninja V monitor-recorder*
* A free AtomOS firmware update for Ninja V is required.
– Supports recording Blackmagic RAW codec over HDMI with Blackmagic Video Assist 12G models*
* Requires firmware update of Video Assist 12G models using Video Assist Update 3.3.
– Camera movement control is compatible with ZHIYUN Weebill S gimbal.
* Firmware update of the corresponding device is required.
*Please refer to ZHIYUN firmware release information about functions supported. Since not all functions will be supported in this firmware update, both SIGMA and ZHIYUN will need to continue working on this to make more and more functions to be compatible in future firmware updates.
– Instruction message appears when attempting to use greyed-out items in SHOOT menu
– Supports camera control in USB mode*
* The SDK (Software Development Kit) for controlling the camera is scheduled to be available by early July.
[Enhanced/modified functionality]
– Supports Dual Base ISO (ISO100 and 3200)
– Improved AF performance
– Improved accuracy with evaluative exposure metering
– Improved image quality
– Supports CinemaDNG 25 and 29.97 fps (UHD 12bit) shooting
– Supports CinemaDNG 100 fps (FHD 12bit) shooting
– Supports CinemaDNG 100 and 119.88 fps (FHD 8bit and 10bit) shooting
– “OFF” option available in Color mode
– Exposure adjustment available in QS (Quick Set)
– Tone control setting “Auto (Mild / Strong)” available during movie shooting
– Supports USB Video Class (UVC) setting adjustments while the fp is connected to USB
– Supports time code generation
– Compatible with BWF format
– Supports file size changes at aspect ratio 7:6
– Supports changes of shutter sound effect
[Bug corrections]
– The phenomenon of flickering in dark areas in video footages has been corrected
– Bugs in USB Video Class (UVC) setting when connected to USB or during movie shooting have been corrected
– Improved recording stability with recording media
– Other minor bugs have been corrected
Jun 25, 2020 at 12:51 AM
p.4 #20Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Awesome!!
I'm hoping that the focus square goes away when using a dumb adapter / manual lenses in Stills mode, and that Color Mode "off" can mimic a Log profile (eg neutral with ZERO sharpening artifacts) in video. There's no mention of mapping the rear scroll wheel to ISO, but maybe that will come. Those were my 3 man issues with the camera. The flickering black levels were driving me crazy, too, so we'll see! Updating now.
Still love the camera - finally broke down and ordered the LVF-11 viewfinder (pricey, but necessary) and am eagerly awaiting its arrival in a few days.
Let me know your thoughts!
Juha Kannisto wrote:
New firmware 2.0 is available for Sigma fp:
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/25/2769/
This includes a lot of new stuff especially for video side:
[Newly introduced functionality]
– Supporting Cinemagraph creation and playback.
– CinemaDNG footages playback
– Supports still capture during live view and movie shooting in Cine mode
– Supports still image capture from movie files (CinemaDNG, MOV) shot with the SIGMA fp
– Supports HDR in movie shooting
– Supports still and movie shooting in Director’s Viewfinder mode
– Supports DCI 4K 12bit / HDMI Raw output
– Supports RAW over HDMI recording with Atomos Ninja V monitor-recorder*
* A free AtomOS firmware update for Ninja V is required.
– Supports recording Blackmagic...Show more →
I'm hoping that the focus square goes away when using a dumb adapter / manual lenses in Stills mode, and that Color Mode "off" can mimic a Log profile (eg neutral with ZERO sharpening artifacts) in video. There's no mention of mapping the rear scroll wheel to ISO, but maybe that will come. Those were my 3 man issues with the camera. The flickering black levels were driving me crazy, too, so we'll see! Updating now.
Still love the camera - finally broke down and ordered the LVF-11 viewfinder (pricey, but necessary) and am eagerly awaiting its arrival in a few days.
Let me know your thoughts!
Juha Kannisto wrote:
New firmware 2.0 is available for Sigma fp:
https://www.sigma-global.com/en/news/2020/06/25/2769/
This includes a lot of new stuff especially for video side:
[Newly introduced functionality]
– Supporting Cinemagraph creation and playback.
– CinemaDNG footages playback
– Supports still capture during live view and movie shooting in Cine mode
– Supports still image capture from movie files (CinemaDNG, MOV) shot with the SIGMA fp
– Supports HDR in movie shooting
– Supports still and movie shooting in Director’s Viewfinder mode
– Supports DCI 4K 12bit / HDMI Raw output
– Supports RAW over HDMI recording with Atomos Ninja V monitor-recorder*
* A free AtomOS firmware update for Ninja V is required.
– Supports recording Blackmagic...Show more →
Jun 25, 2020 at 07:46 AM