Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
p.2 #1Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Yes, I meant A7 III... I have Ricoh 28mm 2.8 and corners doesn't look that good on both... CV 28mm 1.9 works also on both but I was looking for a smaller option and I saw your recommendation on the Avenon. I have not tried on Sony but looks good on Sigma esp for its size. I was shooting mostly from the range from the lens, rather than the lcd.
I use both the Sigma FP and Sony A7RIII on silent shutter at home and did not have problems with the lighting inside except when I shot Sony 135mm 1.8 with the A7R III. I was using 2x with Sigma also but 1/100 gave me more consistent results with different lenses...
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I don't think it has the same sensor as A7II since fp has a BSI sensor (according to Sigma's site and various reviews) and A7II didn't have one. Could possibly be same base sensor as A7III though. Maybe you meant to write A7III anyway.
I'm usually using roughly around 2 x shutter speed based on fl, e.g. 1/50 for my 21/3.5 and 28/2, 1/60 or 1/80 for 35mm and 40mm, and 1/100 for 50mm and so on. However, if there is any artificial light I try to use multiples of 1/50 since Tokyo electric frequency is 50Hz. I got some...Show more →
Avenon 28mm 3.5 at f8
https://pbase.com/image/170357119/original.jpg
Leica 40mm f/2.4
https://pbase.com/image/170102540/original.jpg
Contax g 45mm
https://pbase.com/image/170102539/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002970/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002959/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170132437/original.jpg
Leica 50mm 2.5 at f8
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357120/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357121/original.jpg
Leica 90mm 2.5
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002961/original.jpg
CV 125mm 2.5
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357108/original.jpg
Also a new review at B&H:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/hands-on-review/a-photographers-impressions-of-the-sigma-fp-cine-camera?
I use both the Sigma FP and Sony A7RIII on silent shutter at home and did not have problems with the lighting inside except when I shot Sony 135mm 1.8 with the A7R III. I was using 2x with Sigma also but 1/100 gave me more consistent results with different lenses...
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I don't think it has the same sensor as A7II since fp has a BSI sensor (according to Sigma's site and various reviews) and A7II didn't have one. Could possibly be same base sensor as A7III though. Maybe you meant to write A7III anyway.
I'm usually using roughly around 2 x shutter speed based on fl, e.g. 1/50 for my 21/3.5 and 28/2, 1/60 or 1/80 for 35mm and 40mm, and 1/100 for 50mm and so on. However, if there is any artificial light I try to use multiples of 1/50 since Tokyo electric frequency is 50Hz. I got some...Show more →
serhan_ wrote
I am using one, mostly testing shots with M lenses... I found I need at least 1/100 sec min shutter to shoot due to no evf and IBIS. The dynamic range and high iso is great, using upto ISO 16000. It is most probably the same sensor as the A7 II... It is not optimized for M lenses... The lcd with m lenses in the sunny condition is very hard to see, maybe more due to vignetting from the lenses. Mostly the lenses work with A7 work with FP eg new CV 21mm 3.5.Avenon 28mm 3.5 at f8
https://pbase.com/image/170357119/original.jpg
Leica 40mm f/2.4
https://pbase.com/image/170102540/original.jpg
Contax g 45mm
https://pbase.com/image/170102539/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002970/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002959/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170132437/original.jpg
Leica 50mm 2.5 at f8
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357120/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357121/original.jpg
Leica 90mm 2.5
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002961/original.jpg
CV 125mm 2.5
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357108/original.jpg
Also a new review at B&H:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/hands-on-review/a-photographers-impressions-of-the-sigma-fp-cine-camera?
Feb 03, 2020 at 08:13 AM
p.2 #2Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
I spent a half hour with one at B&H this weekend. I am mainly a still shooter and mostly do landscapes, and I liked the way the camera handled. I shoot the S1r, but this is a very small, high quality lightweight option for backpacking or long hiking. It was a perfect combination with the 45mm. I would put this with a small lens of 21mm, the 45mm, and a 90m and have the perfect long hike landscape option for L mount. Lack of IBIS does not concern me overly, as I would serious work on a tripod anyway and it is so small and compact I found handholding easy. I would want the viewing hood option, though.
It even handled well with the new S 16-35 f4, itself a surprisingly light lens which I intend to add.
It was very popular among the store employees because of its uniquely different approach to design in the FF format.
It even handled well with the new S 16-35 f4, itself a surprisingly light lens which I intend to add.
It was very popular among the store employees because of its uniquely different approach to design in the FF format.
Feb 03, 2020 at 04:27 PM
p.2 #3Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
I've also read in some reviews that Ricoh GR 28mm and 21mm don't work well on digital in general. I never tried them myself based on the high 2nd hand prices and that reputation though they look very interesting. I used to have CV 28/1.9 before but wasn't so happy with the curvature on my Sony A7r and A7II so I sold it, but I'm now interested in getting one again to try it with the fp at some point. In the meanwhile I got a new copy of 28/2, which is smaller and seems to work great on the fp (I'm fully happy with corner-to-corner performance at f5.6 and it's very sharp at any aperture), but from handling perspective I liked my old 28/1.9 better. There's also quite a lot of focus shift on the 28/2 which wasn't the case with 28/1.9. If I find a good copy of 28/1.9 at decent price sometime later I might add it to my set again.
Since I got Shoten M-L helicoid adapter (a bit thinner than my Leica M-L) I can use my older Avenon ('92 silver with 6 blades) well at hard infinity but I feel my black Avenon ('97 with10 blades) could still benefit from an even thinner adapter. I feel the Avenon's work pretty much equally on my Sony A9 as on Sigma (depending on suitable adapter thickness).
serhan_ wrote:
Yes, I meant A7 III... I have Ricoh 28mm 2.8 and corners doesn't look that good on both... CV 28mm 1.9 works also on both but I was looking for a smaller option and I saw your recommendation on the Avenon. I have not tried on Sony but looks good on Sigma esp for its size. I was shooting mostly from the range from the lens, rather than the lcd.
I use both the Sigma FP and Sony A7RIII on silent shutter at home and did not have problems with the lighting inside except when I shot Sony 135mm 1.8...Show more →
I'm usually using roughly around 2 x shutter speed based on fl, e.g. 1/50 for my 21/3.5 and 28/2, 1/60 or 1/80 for 35mm and 40mm, and 1/100 for 50mm and so on. However, if there is any artificial light I try to use multiples of 1/50 since Tokyo electric frequency is 50Hz. I got some light frequency banding when shooting at 1/160s minimum shutter speed on some occasions with my 75/1.5 so I try to be more careful about the electric frequency now. I haven't been getting any noticeable softness when sticking to those shutter speeds.
I agree that LCD is hard to see in sunny conditions so I started to use LVF-11 a lot especially in those conditions... Missing the small form factor when using it though.
I did some comparison shooting using the CV 75/1.5 on Sigma and my A9 and it was working much better on the Sigma in terms of field curvature, and I have noticed the same with my CV 35/2. Generally my M-mount lens selection is also based on what worked reasonably well on Sony but I expanded my M-mount selection a bit more again after getting the fp (newly bought 21/3.5 VM, 28/2 VM, 75/1.5 VM).
Avenon 28mm 3.5 at f8
https://pbase.com/image/170357119/original.jpg
Leica 40mm f/2.4
https://pbase.com/image/170102540/original.jpg
Contax g 45mm
https://pbase.com/image/170102539/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002970/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002959/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170132437/original.jpg
Leica 50mm 2.5 at f8
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357120/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357121/original.jpg
Leica 90mm 2.5
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002961/original.jpg
CV 125mm 2.5
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357108/original.jpg
Also a new review at B&H:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/hands-on-review/a-photographers-impressions-of-the-sigma-fp-cine-camera?
Since I got Shoten M-L helicoid adapter (a bit thinner than my Leica M-L) I can use my older Avenon ('92 silver with 6 blades) well at hard infinity but I feel my black Avenon ('97 with10 blades) could still benefit from an even thinner adapter. I feel the Avenon's work pretty much equally on my Sony A9 as on Sigma (depending on suitable adapter thickness).
serhan_ wrote:
Yes, I meant A7 III... I have Ricoh 28mm 2.8 and corners doesn't look that good on both... CV 28mm 1.9 works also on both but I was looking for a smaller option and I saw your recommendation on the Avenon. I have not tried on Sony but looks good on Sigma esp for its size. I was shooting mostly from the range from the lens, rather than the lcd.
I use both the Sigma FP and Sony A7RIII on silent shutter at home and did not have problems with the lighting inside except when I shot Sony 135mm 1.8...Show more →
Juha Kannisto wrote
I don't think it has the same sensor as A7II since fp has a BSI sensor (according to Sigma's site and various reviews) and A7II didn't have one. Could possibly be same base sensor as A7III though. Maybe you meant to write A7III anyway.I'm usually using roughly around 2 x shutter speed based on fl, e.g. 1/50 for my 21/3.5 and 28/2, 1/60 or 1/80 for 35mm and 40mm, and 1/100 for 50mm and so on. However, if there is any artificial light I try to use multiples of 1/50 since Tokyo electric frequency is 50Hz. I got some light frequency banding when shooting at 1/160s minimum shutter speed on some occasions with my 75/1.5 so I try to be more careful about the electric frequency now. I haven't been getting any noticeable softness when sticking to those shutter speeds.
I agree that LCD is hard to see in sunny conditions so I started to use LVF-11 a lot especially in those conditions... Missing the small form factor when using it though.
I did some comparison shooting using the CV 75/1.5 on Sigma and my A9 and it was working much better on the Sigma in terms of field curvature, and I have noticed the same with my CV 35/2. Generally my M-mount lens selection is also based on what worked reasonably well on Sony but I expanded my M-mount selection a bit more again after getting the fp (newly bought 21/3.5 VM, 28/2 VM, 75/1.5 VM).
serhan_ wrote
I am using one, mostly testing shots with M lenses... I found I need at least 1/100 sec min shutter to shoot due to no evf and IBIS. The dynamic range and high iso is great, using upto ISO 16000. It is most probably the same sensor as the A7 II... It is not optimized for M lenses... The lcd with m lenses in the sunny condition is very hard to see, maybe more due to vignetting from the lenses. Mostly the lenses work with A7 work with FP eg new CV 21mm 3.5.Avenon 28mm 3.5 at f8
https://pbase.com/image/170357119/original.jpg
Leica 40mm f/2.4
https://pbase.com/image/170102540/original.jpg
Contax g 45mm
https://pbase.com/image/170102539/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002970/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002959/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170132437/original.jpg
Leica 50mm 2.5 at f8
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357120/original.jpg
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357121/original.jpg
Leica 90mm 2.5
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170002961/original.jpg
CV 125mm 2.5
https://pbase.com/sc_20170/image/170357108/original.jpg
Also a new review at B&H:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/hands-on-review/a-photographers-impressions-of-the-sigma-fp-cine-camera?
Feb 04, 2020 at 01:22 AM
p.2 #4Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Thanks & I hope you'll like it and will be interesting to hear about your findings later 
CV 12 v3 for $450 sounds like a very good deal. Since they are out of production now I think the 2nd hand prices could go up a bit in the future. In Japan those are still going for around $730 as new and the 2nd hand prices seem to be moving up a little. I never had that lens myself as I figured after using the 10mm and 15mm that I don't really need anything wider than 15mm and even 15mm gets limited use. For the fp I'm currently sticking with 21mm and longer but might consider adding the CV 15/4.5 v3 VM at some point if good deals come by. I currently have the 15/4.5 e-mount version for my Sony cameras and I'm trying not to duplicate too much between e-mount and VM also...
rps_23 wrote:
Thanks for the detailed reply!
It's reassuring since I pulled the trigger on one with the viewfinder on the b&s board.
Your use of it is very similar to how I plan to use it. I've got a few Leica R lenses to try on it already, and then also picked up a CV 40mm and 12mm in m mount to give it a thorough trial.
Cameraquest is closing out new CV 12s in M mount for only $450 if anyone is in the market.
I have several M-mount lenses and I find many of them (that have somewhat too much field curvature on Sony) to work better on the Sigma so I'm now using those exclusively on the Sigma and sticking to native lenses for my Sony. I also have the 45/2.8 DG DN for the Sigma, purchased as a kit.
I'm primarily using my fp with Leica M-L and Shoten M-L helicoid adapters and several Voigtländer VM and LTM lenses: 21/3.5, 28/2, 35/2, 40/2.8 (designed for Sony but works fine on the Sigma with Shoten helicoid adapter too), 50/2 Heliar classic, 50/3.5 Heliar, 75/1.5 and 75/2.5 (LTM). I also have and use Minolta M-Rokkor trio, Avenon 28/3.5 LTM (2 different versions) and Konica M-Hexanon 90/2.8.
As accessories for the Sigma, I got the LVF-11 viewfinder, the small grip and 1 extra battery. I've been using LVF-11 quite often as I really prefer having a viewfinder for the ability to focus well and to see the framing properly even in bright light, but it turns the small camera into a much bigger one.
Positives for me:
- Great IQ with no AA-filter, love the colors and sharp detail
- IQ remains relatively great at high ISO
- I enjoy shooting my M-mount lenses again with this camera
- Camera is very small and so a good match for small M-mount lenses
- Good support for MF, especially with LVF-11
- I really like the in-camera DNG photo editing capabilities and use those often
- Silent shooting and no blackout is possible (the viewfinder frame just freezes for a split second when a shot is taken/is being saved)
- Relatively fast and responsive all-around
- User interface is pretty good and multilingual (in Japan Sony UI is only in Japanese)
- Battery life is reasonable (esp. when shooting with MF only) and batteries are small and cheap
Negatives for me:
- No in-built EVF and LVF-11 is quite big, turning a small camera to something bigger
- AF is not entirely reliable and a bit clunky to use, e.g. when it comes to selection of focus points
- AF-C is not really mature
- Sigma's own photo editing SW for PC (Sigma Photo Pro) is very slow and clunky, hardly usable
Basically I prefer to use the fp in manual focus mode even with my Sigma 45/2.8 DG DN most of the time and when I need AF I mostly stick to my Sony A9. Most of my shooting is in MF anyway so it is fine for me.
I use C1 Pro for most of my photo editing on PC and it has generic DNG support which is working much better with Sigma fp DNGs than the previous C1 Pro version did. Still would be nice if C1 started to have full/official Sigma fp support in the future.
I hope Sigma comes up with a new fp v2 at some point with a built in high quality EVF while still keeping a Bayer sensor with similar characteristics.
CV 12 v3 for $450 sounds like a very good deal. Since they are out of production now I think the 2nd hand prices could go up a bit in the future. In Japan those are still going for around $730 as new and the 2nd hand prices seem to be moving up a little. I never had that lens myself as I figured after using the 10mm and 15mm that I don't really need anything wider than 15mm and even 15mm gets limited use. For the fp I'm currently sticking with 21mm and longer but might consider adding the CV 15/4.5 v3 VM at some point if good deals come by. I currently have the 15/4.5 e-mount version for my Sony cameras and I'm trying not to duplicate too much between e-mount and VM also...
rps_23 wrote:
Thanks for the detailed reply!
It's reassuring since I pulled the trigger on one with the viewfinder on the b&s board.
Your use of it is very similar to how I plan to use it. I've got a few Leica R lenses to try on it already, and then also picked up a CV 40mm and 12mm in m mount to give it a thorough trial.
Cameraquest is closing out new CV 12s in M mount for only $450 if anyone is in the market.
Juha Kannisto wrote
I'm enjoying my Sigma fp a lot, using it as an alternative to my Sony A9. I only shoot photos and no video at all so my experience and comments are purely from photo shooting.I have several M-mount lenses and I find many of them (that have somewhat too much field curvature on Sony) to work better on the Sigma so I'm now using those exclusively on the Sigma and sticking to native lenses for my Sony. I also have the 45/2.8 DG DN for the Sigma, purchased as a kit.
I'm primarily using my fp with Leica M-L and Shoten M-L helicoid adapters and several Voigtländer VM and LTM lenses: 21/3.5, 28/2, 35/2, 40/2.8 (designed for Sony but works fine on the Sigma with Shoten helicoid adapter too), 50/2 Heliar classic, 50/3.5 Heliar, 75/1.5 and 75/2.5 (LTM). I also have and use Minolta M-Rokkor trio, Avenon 28/3.5 LTM (2 different versions) and Konica M-Hexanon 90/2.8.
As accessories for the Sigma, I got the LVF-11 viewfinder, the small grip and 1 extra battery. I've been using LVF-11 quite often as I really prefer having a viewfinder for the ability to focus well and to see the framing properly even in bright light, but it turns the small camera into a much bigger one.
Positives for me:
- Great IQ with no AA-filter, love the colors and sharp detail
- IQ remains relatively great at high ISO
- I enjoy shooting my M-mount lenses again with this camera
- Camera is very small and so a good match for small M-mount lenses
- Good support for MF, especially with LVF-11
- I really like the in-camera DNG photo editing capabilities and use those often
- Silent shooting and no blackout is possible (the viewfinder frame just freezes for a split second when a shot is taken/is being saved)
- Relatively fast and responsive all-around
- User interface is pretty good and multilingual (in Japan Sony UI is only in Japanese)
- Battery life is reasonable (esp. when shooting with MF only) and batteries are small and cheap
Negatives for me:
- No in-built EVF and LVF-11 is quite big, turning a small camera to something bigger
- AF is not entirely reliable and a bit clunky to use, e.g. when it comes to selection of focus points
- AF-C is not really mature
- Sigma's own photo editing SW for PC (Sigma Photo Pro) is very slow and clunky, hardly usable
Basically I prefer to use the fp in manual focus mode even with my Sigma 45/2.8 DG DN most of the time and when I need AF I mostly stick to my Sony A9. Most of my shooting is in MF anyway so it is fine for me.
I use C1 Pro for most of my photo editing on PC and it has generic DNG support which is working much better with Sigma fp DNGs than the previous C1 Pro version did. Still would be nice if C1 started to have full/official Sigma fp support in the future.
I hope Sigma comes up with a new fp v2 at some point with a built in high quality EVF while still keeping a Bayer sensor with similar characteristics.
Feb 04, 2020 at 01:37 AM
p.2 #5Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Well, my Sony kit is all up for sale now...
I have had zero desire to use the Sony since the fp showed up.
The Sigma is definitely a quirky camera, but it's quirks fit well with how I shoot. I didn't use 90% of the Sony's features, so I am really appreciating the more minimalist approach with the fp. The menu and button layout is very simple and intuitive.
The lack of EVF has been mostly a non-issue, with the exception of me pulling the camera up to my face for no reason. I did get the viewfinder with it, and while large (not heavy) it's amazing. I think it's adds something very positive to the feel of the camera. They (or the aftermarket) do need to come up with a 90° viewfinder or an attachment to the existing one though. Flip up screen should happen on the next version.
No IBIS hasn't been a big deal. I found it was a deal breaker for me on APSC, but this sensor is good enough it's not a big deal. Still would like it in the next version though.
In use and output it reminds me most of the GFX50R I very briefly flirted with. (Immediately realizing it was just too big, had too limited of a lens ecosystem, and was too much $$ for me.) Deliberate in approach. Not saying it's = to the Fuji in output, but I feel like the images draw in a similar, very smooth / delicate way. I've mostly been playing around with a Leica R 35-70/4 on it. It also happens to solve all of my major gripes with the Fuji.
It's definitely not for everyone though. I am just a hobbyist and this is a creative outlet. I don't really do action or sports. My general approach is to simply take one photo and move on. If I miss the shot, I missed the shot. I prefer manual focus and aperture rings. For all of that I feel this camera works very well for me.
I have had zero desire to use the Sony since the fp showed up.
The Sigma is definitely a quirky camera, but it's quirks fit well with how I shoot. I didn't use 90% of the Sony's features, so I am really appreciating the more minimalist approach with the fp. The menu and button layout is very simple and intuitive.
The lack of EVF has been mostly a non-issue, with the exception of me pulling the camera up to my face for no reason. I did get the viewfinder with it, and while large (not heavy) it's amazing. I think it's adds something very positive to the feel of the camera. They (or the aftermarket) do need to come up with a 90° viewfinder or an attachment to the existing one though. Flip up screen should happen on the next version.
No IBIS hasn't been a big deal. I found it was a deal breaker for me on APSC, but this sensor is good enough it's not a big deal. Still would like it in the next version though.
In use and output it reminds me most of the GFX50R I very briefly flirted with. (Immediately realizing it was just too big, had too limited of a lens ecosystem, and was too much $$ for me.) Deliberate in approach. Not saying it's = to the Fuji in output, but I feel like the images draw in a similar, very smooth / delicate way. I've mostly been playing around with a Leica R 35-70/4 on it. It also happens to solve all of my major gripes with the Fuji.
It's definitely not for everyone though. I am just a hobbyist and this is a creative outlet. I don't really do action or sports. My general approach is to simply take one photo and move on. If I miss the shot, I missed the shot. I prefer manual focus and aperture rings. For all of that I feel this camera works very well for me.
Feb 08, 2020 at 05:20 PM
p.2 #6Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
rps_23 wrote:
Well, my Sony kit is all up for sale now...
I have had zero desire to use the Sony since the fp showed up.
The Sigma is definitely a quirky camera, but it's quirks fit well with how I shoot. I didn't use 90% of the Sony's features, so I am really appreciating the more minimalist approach with the fp. The menu and button layout is very simple and intuitive.
The lack of EVF has been mostly a non-issue, with the exception of me pulling the camera up to my face for no reason. I did get the viewfinder with...Show more →
I think I have fairly similar shooting needs and preferences to you, so thanks for sharing. And I also picked up a GFX a while back, but dropped it for similar reasons.
How did you find the MF aides and ease of use on the FP versus Sonys? 90% of my shooting is MF, and mostly with RF glass or wides.
Well, my Sony kit is all up for sale now...
I have had zero desire to use the Sony since the fp showed up.
The Sigma is definitely a quirky camera, but it's quirks fit well with how I shoot. I didn't use 90% of the Sony's features, so I am really appreciating the more minimalist approach with the fp. The menu and button layout is very simple and intuitive.
The lack of EVF has been mostly a non-issue, with the exception of me pulling the camera up to my face for no reason. I did get the viewfinder with...Show more →
I think I have fairly similar shooting needs and preferences to you, so thanks for sharing. And I also picked up a GFX a while back, but dropped it for similar reasons.
How did you find the MF aides and ease of use on the FP versus Sonys? 90% of my shooting is MF, and mostly with RF glass or wides.
Feb 08, 2020 at 05:33 PM
p.2 #7Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
The MF aids work quite well. Peaking seems accurate. One touch of the center dial button to zoom in to where you have the focus point set. Haven't dove into much more at this point.
Add in the viewfinder and it's a completely unique experience. The screen seems gigantic, bright, and clear. The EVF on the R4 is really good, but this thing... wow.
It is quite big though, and different. So if I prioritize size I probably won't take it, and will just have the lcd. Which works well, but isn't the same.. Always some compromise.
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I think I have fairly similar shooting needs and preferences to you, so thanks for sharing. And I also picked up a GFX a while back, but dropped it for similar reasons.
How did you find the MF aides and ease of use on the FP versus Sonys? 90% of my shooting is MF, and mostly with RF glass or wides.
Add in the viewfinder and it's a completely unique experience. The screen seems gigantic, bright, and clear. The EVF on the R4 is really good, but this thing... wow.
It is quite big though, and different. So if I prioritize size I probably won't take it, and will just have the lcd. Which works well, but isn't the same.. Always some compromise.
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I think I have fairly similar shooting needs and preferences to you, so thanks for sharing. And I also picked up a GFX a while back, but dropped it for similar reasons.
How did you find the MF aides and ease of use on the FP versus Sonys? 90% of my shooting is MF, and mostly with RF glass or wides.
Feb 08, 2020 at 06:12 PM
p.2 #8Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
So cool to hear!
I have some serious lust for the GFX 50R, but I also wonder how often I'd bring it out with me, due to size and price.
You've now officially swayed me further towards making the fp my next digital camera. Not quite ready to part with my a7S, but I forsee selling it in the next few months. Can't really justify a need for two bodies.
I have some serious lust for the GFX 50R, but I also wonder how often I'd bring it out with me, due to size and price.
You've now officially swayed me further towards making the fp my next digital camera. Not quite ready to part with my a7S, but I forsee selling it in the next few months. Can't really justify a need for two bodies.
Feb 08, 2020 at 11:27 PM
p.2 #9Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Kirk Tuck is using one as a stills camera and has written about it on his blog if you want the perspective of a professional photographer... for example, https://visualsciencelab.blogspot.com/2020/02/ive-been-playing-with-color-profiles-in.html
He has some other entries on it as well. I think he even tried it for a theater gig and wrote about it.
He has some other entries on it as well. I think he even tried it for a theater gig and wrote about it.
Feb 09, 2020 at 12:22 AM
p.2 #10Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
I hope you don't mind if I ask some random questions as they occur to me. Like I said, I have some quirks and things that might bother me, that few - if any - reviews will mention, because they don't use the camera in the way I would. You got me thinking about this stuff when you mentioned a "single tap" bringing up Focus Magnify. That was something my Fuji did, and I eventually gave up wondering why I had to press twice on Sony, and just kinda got used to it. Ok, here goes:
*Can you edit Raws in-camera and export JPEGs?
**Follow-up question- how customizable are the JPEGs?
*Can you transfer to your phone wirelessly?
*Is there a way to turn off the LCD and still shoot photos (ie blind, from the hip with scale focus)?
...thanks for any input
*Can you edit Raws in-camera and export JPEGs?
**Follow-up question- how customizable are the JPEGs?
*Can you transfer to your phone wirelessly?
*Is there a way to turn off the LCD and still shoot photos (ie blind, from the hip with scale focus)?
...thanks for any input
Feb 10, 2020 at 10:04 PM
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p.2 #11Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Yes, you can edit raws in camera. No wireless transfer and you cannot turn off lcd... A few reviews shows the color output:
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/reviews/sigma-fp-review
https://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2019/11/11/sigma-fp-camera-review-tried-one-then-bought-it-heres-why/
http://www.mirrorlessness.com/blogs/m-mount-lenses-on-the-sigma-fp/
imagesfromobjects wrote:
*Can you edit Raws in-camera and export JPEGs?
**Follow-up question- how customizable are the JPEGs?
*Can you transfer to your phone wirelessly?
*Is there a way to turn off the LCD and still shoot photos (ie blind, from the hip with scale focus)?
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https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/reviews/sigma-fp-review
https://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2019/11/11/sigma-fp-camera-review-tried-one-then-bought-it-heres-why/
http://www.mirrorlessness.com/blogs/m-mount-lenses-on-the-sigma-fp/
imagesfromobjects wrote:
*Can you edit Raws in-camera and export JPEGs?
**Follow-up question- how customizable are the JPEGs?
*Can you transfer to your phone wirelessly?
*Is there a way to turn off the LCD and still shoot photos (ie blind, from the hip with scale focus)?
Edited on Feb 11, 2020 at 10:57 AM · View previous versions
Feb 10, 2020 at 10:54 PM
p.2 #12Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
You can edit the Raws (DNGs) and export as JPEGs but your edits will not be to saved together with the original DNG so if you do multiple edited versions the starting point for new editing is always the settings that were used when the original shot was taken. When editing you can modify exposure, white balance (several options and also adjustable Kelvin color temperature in steps of 100), output JPEG quality (fine, normal, basic), aspect ratio (21:9, 16:9, 3:2, A, 4:3, 7:6, 1:1), color mode (12 different options), strength of color mode from -5 to +5 (0 is standard strength), contrast, sharpness and saturation from -1 to +1 in 0.2 increments (0 is standard), color space (sRGB, Adobe), Tone curve (off, auto mild, auto strong, manual (shadow and highlight can be adjusted from -5 to +5 with standard being 0), fill light (-5 to +5), lens optics compensation (mainly for native lenses but color shading option is adjustable for manual adapted glass where red and/or blue can be adjusted -5 to +5). I wish there was a way to save a few user created presets for quick editing. I think otherwise the in-camera editing options are quite extensive but there could be even more color options. I personally use about half of the 12 color profiles depending on the type of photos (I mostly shoot city scenery and not people). For people shots there is "portrait" color profile but otherwise I think most of the profiles are better suited for other types of photography.
Although there is no wireless transfer, photos can be transferred to phone be with certain types of USB-C to USB-C cables at least with recent Android phones (I sometimes use that option with my Xperia 1).
Single tap of center button at the back will bring up focus magnify (additionally I've also set AEL button to magnify in shooting mode) but it magnifies the area where your focus box is placed so if you want to magnify another specific area you need to move the focus box there first. It can be done e.g. by touching the screen but when using LVF-11 and have no access to touch the screen you need to press down on the scroll-wheel on the back, then AEL button and only after that you can move the box around with the 4 scroll wheel (by pressing up/down/left/right). The magnification can use the full screen or picture-in-picture and peaking can be used also in magnified view. I use full screen magnification (can toggle between 4x and 8x magnification) and peaking.
imagesfromobjects wrote:
I hope you don't mind if I ask some random questions as they occur to me. Like I said, I have some quirks and things that might bother me, that few - if any - reviews will mention, because they don't use the camera in the way I would. You got me thinking about this stuff when you mentioned a "single tap" bringing up Focus Magnify. That was something my Fuji did, and I eventually gave up wondering why I had to press twice on Sony, and just kinda got used to it. Ok, here goes:
*Can you edit Raws in-camera...Show more →
Although there is no wireless transfer, photos can be transferred to phone be with certain types of USB-C to USB-C cables at least with recent Android phones (I sometimes use that option with my Xperia 1).
Single tap of center button at the back will bring up focus magnify (additionally I've also set AEL button to magnify in shooting mode) but it magnifies the area where your focus box is placed so if you want to magnify another specific area you need to move the focus box there first. It can be done e.g. by touching the screen but when using LVF-11 and have no access to touch the screen you need to press down on the scroll-wheel on the back, then AEL button and only after that you can move the box around with the 4 scroll wheel (by pressing up/down/left/right). The magnification can use the full screen or picture-in-picture and peaking can be used also in magnified view. I use full screen magnification (can toggle between 4x and 8x magnification) and peaking.
imagesfromobjects wrote:
I hope you don't mind if I ask some random questions as they occur to me. Like I said, I have some quirks and things that might bother me, that few - if any - reviews will mention, because they don't use the camera in the way I would. You got me thinking about this stuff when you mentioned a "single tap" bringing up Focus Magnify. That was something my Fuji did, and I eventually gave up wondering why I had to press twice on Sony, and just kinda got used to it. Ok, here goes:
*Can you edit Raws in-camera...Show more →
Feb 11, 2020 at 03:24 AM
p.2 #13Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
rps_23 wrote:
Where I am at as far as pros/cons (for me):
Pros:
- Size
- Modular system
- FF sensor (IQ, DR, etc)
- Thin sensor stack (m and vintage glass)
Re: Thin sensor stack. Does anyone know the exact thickness of the sensor glass? I can't find any reference to it online and I've sent Sigma a couple of emails asking about it to no avail.
Where I am at as far as pros/cons (for me):
Pros:
- Size
- Modular system
- FF sensor (IQ, DR, etc)
- Thin sensor stack (m and vintage glass)
Re: Thin sensor stack. Does anyone know the exact thickness of the sensor glass? I can't find any reference to it online and I've sent Sigma a couple of emails asking about it to no avail.
Feb 14, 2020 at 09:57 AM
p.2 #14Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
I think it is not optimized for leica m lenses, most probably similar to Panasonic S1R... It works with the newer CV lenses like 21mm 3.5 which also works on Sony. Problem lens like Ricoh 28mm 2.8 does not work. I will have to check more, but I have only Sony for comparison. Leica SL/SL2 might be a better option... From Kolari blog, sensor topping thicknesses:
Nikon Z7 - 1.1 mm
Panasonic S1R - 1.45mm
Canon EOS R - 1.6mm
Sony - 2mm
Lids wrote:
Pros:
- Size
- Modular system
- FF sensor (IQ, DR, etc)
- Thin sensor stack (m and vintage glass)Re: Thin sensor stack. Does anyone know the exact thickness of the sensor glass? I can't find any reference to it online and I've sent Sigma a couple of emails asking about it to no avail.
Nikon Z7 - 1.1 mm
Panasonic S1R - 1.45mm
Canon EOS R - 1.6mm
Sony - 2mm
Lids wrote:
rps_23 wrote
Where I am at as far as pros/cons (for me):Pros:
- Size
- Modular system
- FF sensor (IQ, DR, etc)
- Thin sensor stack (m and vintage glass)
Feb 14, 2020 at 04:30 PM
p.2 #15Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
serhan_ wrote:
I think it is not optimized for leica m lenses
No doubt, but it would be nice to know exactly how non-optimal it might be.
I think it is not optimized for leica m lenses
No doubt, but it would be nice to know exactly how non-optimal it might be.
Feb 14, 2020 at 07:45 PM
p.2 #16Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
sigma fp tested with a few lenses including some leica m:
https://medium.com/%E6%94%9D%E5%BD%B1%E4%BA%8C%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%8B/sigmafp-e6afe0a8ceb4
his flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rokkorx/
https://medium.com/%E6%94%9D%E5%BD%B1%E4%BA%8C%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%8B/sigmafp-e6afe0a8ceb4
his flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rokkorx/
Feb 14, 2020 at 08:43 PM
p.2 #17Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
I see some edge smearing and color shifts, to varying degrees, with the wide angle M lenses, but at least the color shifts are blue/cyan rather than red/magenta.
I didn't translate the whole thing, but interestingly he prefers to process out DNGs in the camera, if needed, because SPP is too painful to use and the same color palettes can't be achieved from LR/C1... He seems to be a fan of the teal & orange picture style.
I didn't translate the whole thing, but interestingly he prefers to process out DNGs in the camera, if needed, because SPP is too painful to use and the same color palettes can't be achieved from LR/C1... He seems to be a fan of the teal & orange picture style.
Feb 14, 2020 at 10:11 PM
p.2 #18Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Some of my samples with various M-mount lenses (my M-mount selection works reasonably on Sony as well but some of them are working clearly better on fp):
CV 21/3.5:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gD3AVo3W2Bhyh7zH8
CV 21/3.5 & CV 75/1.5:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qWTpBQpGjFKcXMJk6
CV 28/2:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vRACWLfuPW8C58SA8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gqUDmtkbsqyN4Apw5
Avenon 28/3.5:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3diX8Vx4cGLUM7CM9 (Silver with 6 aperture blades, 1992)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZcoUYr82zvQeD6bU8 (Silver with 6 aperture blades, 1992)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8PJTJ4hqKvhmezcT6 (Black with 10 aperture blades, 1997)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fnac1myms7XX8UeG7 (Black with 10 aperture blades, 1997)
CV 35/2:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3vbMUm8JgFmegV9d8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qREg4CwpdwuYCMVt7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/71LAYVG2wZB94zf38
Minolta M-Rokkor 40/2:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vaqeq2n1XJrzMRav5
CV 40/2.8 (optimized for Sony):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FfxNjZyXmF3FnwZo6
CV Heliar classic 50/2:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RtQg2H8gJNgam1sf9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CogRk1gdjBpaXXi89
https://photos.app.goo.gl/XCZTwHkoA5sjmnbM9
CV Heliar 50/3.5 (VM):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GEWs7M1AzUGZQrky6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/oszcNbe81qDJuAa56
CV 75/1.5:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kJCCtD2X29eDVjG96
https://photos.app.goo.gl/iGqLViH2md8KugrB8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3StdLNnB4QwgSNPTA
CV Color-Heliar 75/2.5:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/TjCUf361svzHfMBf7
Minolta M-Rokkor 90/4:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/EQaqtBe7Mco71nnWA
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CV 21/3.5:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gD3AVo3W2Bhyh7zH8
CV 21/3.5 & CV 75/1.5:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qWTpBQpGjFKcXMJk6
CV 28/2:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vRACWLfuPW8C58SA8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gqUDmtkbsqyN4Apw5
Avenon 28/3.5:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3diX8Vx4cGLUM7CM9 (Silver with 6 aperture blades, 1992)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZcoUYr82zvQeD6bU8 (Silver with 6 aperture blades, 1992)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8PJTJ4hqKvhmezcT6 (Black with 10 aperture blades, 1997)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fnac1myms7XX8UeG7 (Black with 10 aperture blades, 1997)
CV 35/2:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3vbMUm8JgFmegV9d8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qREg4CwpdwuYCMVt7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/71LAYVG2wZB94zf38
Minolta M-Rokkor 40/2:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vaqeq2n1XJrzMRav5
CV 40/2.8 (optimized for Sony):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FfxNjZyXmF3FnwZo6
CV Heliar classic 50/2:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RtQg2H8gJNgam1sf9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CogRk1gdjBpaXXi89
https://photos.app.goo.gl/XCZTwHkoA5sjmnbM9
CV Heliar 50/3.5 (VM):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GEWs7M1AzUGZQrky6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/oszcNbe81qDJuAa56
CV 75/1.5:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kJCCtD2X29eDVjG96
https://photos.app.goo.gl/iGqLViH2md8KugrB8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3StdLNnB4QwgSNPTA
CV Color-Heliar 75/2.5:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/TjCUf361svzHfMBf7
Minolta M-Rokkor 90/4:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/EQaqtBe7Mco71nnWA
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Feb 15, 2020 at 01:46 AM
p.2 #19Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
AndereObjektiv wrote:
sigma fp tested with a few lenses including some leica m:
https://medium.com/%E6%94%9D%E5%BD%B1%E4%BA%8C%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%8B/sigmafp-e6afe0a8ceb4
Ha, thanks! I actually found that article a day or two ago, but I didn't read far enough to see the bit about the Leica lenses.
And he actually covered the exact 3 WA lenses I would be interested in using on the fp: the 21mm f/3.4, 28mm f/1.4, and 28mm f/2.0 (although I have the 2nd version).
These images seems to bear out what Serhan was suggesting: that it lies somewhere in between Sony and Nikon in adapted lens performance.
sigma fp tested with a few lenses including some leica m:
https://medium.com/%E6%94%9D%E5%BD%B1%E4%BA%8C%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%8B/sigmafp-e6afe0a8ceb4
Ha, thanks! I actually found that article a day or two ago, but I didn't read far enough to see the bit about the Leica lenses.
And he actually covered the exact 3 WA lenses I would be interested in using on the fp: the 21mm f/3.4, 28mm f/1.4, and 28mm f/2.0 (although I have the 2nd version). These images seems to bear out what Serhan was suggesting: that it lies somewhere in between Sony and Nikon in adapted lens performance.
Feb 15, 2020 at 08:01 AM
p.2 #20Sigma fp: Discussion and Image Thread
Here is other reviews with 18mm 3.4 and summilux shots:
http://findingrange.com/2019/12/02/sigma-fp-mirrorless-camera-review-a-photographers-perspective/
http://shinobuosawa.com/blog/sigma-fp/
It depends on your use also. Even leica cl apsc exposes 50mm summilux'es dip for landscape shots esp at f4 shot:
http://tobinators.com/blog/2017/12/gear-and-kit/leica-cl-55-135-tl-v-90mm-summicron-and-50mm-summilux/
Lids wrote:
https://medium.com/%E6%94%9D%E5%BD%B1%E4%BA%8C%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%8B/sigmafp-e6afe0a8ceb4Ha, thanks! I actually found that article a day or two ago, but I didn't read far enough to see the bit about the Leica lenses. And he actually covered the exact 3 WA lenses I would be interested in using on the fp: the 21mm f/3.4, 28mm f/1.4, and 28mm f/2.0 (although I have the 2nd version).
These images seems to bear out what Serhan was suggesting: that it lies somewhere in between Sony and Nikon in adapted lens performance.
http://findingrange.com/2019/12/02/sigma-fp-mirrorless-camera-review-a-photographers-perspective/
http://shinobuosawa.com/blog/sigma-fp/
It depends on your use also. Even leica cl apsc exposes 50mm summilux'es dip for landscape shots esp at f4 shot:
http://tobinators.com/blog/2017/12/gear-and-kit/leica-cl-55-135-tl-v-90mm-summicron-and-50mm-summilux/
Lids wrote:
AndereObjektiv wrote
sigma fp tested with a few lenses including some leica m:https://medium.com/%E6%94%9D%E5%BD%B1%E4%BA%8C%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%8B/sigmafp-e6afe0a8ceb4
And he actually covered the exact 3 WA lenses I would be interested in using on the fp: the 21mm f/3.4, 28mm f/1.4, and 28mm f/2.0 (although I have the 2nd version). These images seems to bear out what Serhan was suggesting: that it lies somewhere in between Sony and Nikon in adapted lens performance.
Feb 15, 2020 at 11:52 AM