p.47 #1 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
genji wrote:
Firmware updates shouldn’t be a problem, given the steady release of new Zeiss mirrorless lenses over the past couple of years.
Funny you mention that. I was talking to one of my photo buddies yesterday about the new Tamron zoom (150-500mm) for E-mount and I asked what was the last lens Zeiss released. I believe it was either their 135/2.8 or 40/2 Batis for E-mount...which made us wonder if Zeiss will ever (or has plans) to make more Zeiss lenses for the two other mirrorless “newcomers”, Canon and Nikon. The lens mounts for R and Z mount are much more similar in size/diameter than Sony’s E-mount, and therefore Zeiss can’t just port over their Otus brand of DSLR lenses without taking into consideration the larger mount diameters.
I wonder if Zeiss will forgo any future plans for a successor to their recent mirrorless bomb and just stick to lenses. I haven’t read/heard of any news/rumors that Zeiss has any new lenses in development.
I would love to see a MF Zeiss “larger than 135 format” lens for Fuji’s G mount. One can dream.
p.47 #2 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
In all the noise regarding how terribly thought out this camera is I actually never really checked image quality. It looks absolutely phenomenal on the DPReview test table, easily trumping every single other compact camera. Quite curious how it translates to real world use.
p.47 #3 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
liggy wrote:
If it ever drops to X100V money I’d consider buying one as a goof and selling it after playing with it for a while. 20 seconds to boot up?
That's kind of a tradeoff. For people who want to post images on instagram, not being able to do quality edits until returning home to the hotel and transferring files to the computer may ruin the social media experience of instant communication with friends. Some don't want bring a laptop on vacation, let alone work with it. So you use the camera just as you would use a smartphone: you just leave it on continuously, during the vacation.
Most modern smartphones or tablets will take 20 seconds or more to start up from a powerless state.
Of course your workflow is different if you're a pro who sends images out for editing by other people, or a landscape photographer who can edit images long after taking them.
p.47 #4 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
liggy wrote:
If it ever drops to X100V money I’d consider buying one as a goof and selling it after playing with it for a while. 20 seconds to boot up?
I wouldn't hold my breath.
FF vs. APS-C
I'd think it would be more comparable to sitting between a Leica Q and Q2 (i.e. FF 37MP) ... albeit 35mm vs. 28mm.
p.47 #5 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
AcuteShadows wrote:
That's kind of a tradeoff. For people who want to post images on instagram, not being able to do quality edits until returning home to the hotel and transferring files to the computer may ruin the social media experience of instant communication with friends. Some don't want bring a laptop on vacation, let alone work with it. So you use the camera just as you would use a smartphone: you just leave it on continuously, during the vacation.
Most modern smartphones or tablets will take 20 seconds or more to start up from a powerless state.
Of course your workflow is different if you're a pro who sends images out for editing by other people, or a landscape photographer who can edit images long after taking them.
No experience with Androids but my iOS devices wake up with a swipe in a second. I rarely power them completely down. For quickie social media editing I’m happy to send the 2 and 3 mb jpegs to my iPhone/ iPad from my Fujis/Sony.
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RustyBug wrote:
I wouldn't hold my breath.
FF vs. APS-C
I'd think it would be more comparable to sitting between a Leica Q and Q2 (i.e. FF 37MP) ... albeit 35mm vs. 28mm.
Yeah... being a smartass, really. No expectation of them stopping that precipitously. If I were going to buy a fixed lens camera right now it would be a Q2 even though I’d prefer a 35 over a 28.
p.47 #6 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
liggy wrote:
No experience with Androids but my iOS devices wake up with a swipe in a second. I rarely power them completely down. For quickie social media editing I’m happy to send the 2 and 3 mb jpegs to my iPhone/ iPad from my Fujis/Sony.
That's because you haven't powered off your iOS devices completely. Let the devices run out of battery, reload and then boot them - or you press a certain button on your device for about 5 seconds, that will probably power it down as well.
p.47 #7 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
AcuteShadows wrote:
That's because you haven't powered off your iOS devices completely. Let the devices run out of battery, reload and then boot them - or you press a certain button on your device for about 5 seconds, that will probably power it down as well.
p.47 #8 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
liggy wrote:
No experience with Androids but my iOS devices wake up with a swipe in a second. I rarely power them completely down. For quickie social media editing I’m happy to send the 2 and 3 mb jpegs to my iPhone/ iPad from my Fujis/Sony.
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Yeah... being a smartass, really. No expectation of them stopping that precipitously. If I were going to buy a fixed lens camera right now it would be a Q2 even though I’d prefer a 35 over a 28.
Yeah, I knew you knew ...
Q2 at 28mm has some extra pixels over the Z, so that could probably be close to a wash when you crop to similar FOV at 35mm. Just something to ponder for the ethos thereof.
p.47 #9 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
RustyBug wrote:
Yeah, I knew you knew ...
Q2 at 28mm has some extra pixels over the Z, so that could probably be close to a wash when you crop to similar FOV at 35mm. Just something to ponder for the ethos thereof.
Yet the ZX1 lens is noticeably sharper than the Q2 lens, if the dpreview files are to be believed.
p.47 #10 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
RustyBug wrote:
Yeah, I knew you knew ...
Q2 at 28mm has some extra pixels over the Z, so that could probably be close to a wash when you crop to similar FOV at 35mm. Just something to ponder for the ethos thereof.
Lol... I’m just here to dunk on the Zeiss. It’s such an epic miss. I’ve seen nice crops from the Q2 so that would be a viable option.
p.47 #11 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
The problem it seems is the initial conception, and the failure of Zeiss to even consider well broadcast preferences of the market.
The size of the thing put almost everybody off from the first rumours, as almost everyone at the time interested in FF, high quality, fixed-lens compact camera was lusting after an updated Sony RX1R ii, which is very compact. Indeed, why else would one choose the limitation of a fixed lens? Why Zeiss was not alert to that potential fail is a mystery.
The Sony was almost a cult camera, with a superb lens, and plenty high enough resolution. It was begging for IS, a bigger battery, a better menu system and perhaps a better viewfinder. That's all they needed to add. why did they take a great concept seemingly gifted to them by Sony and totally screw it up?
Then to introduce in-camera editing on a tiny screen (large by digital viewing screen standards) which will be inevitably fiddly, without even collecting feedback from whatever potential users they imagined, is another own goal.
Then, the price! Given the image quality they were aiming at, and the inevitable Zeiss price premium, who were they actually aiming at? Casual shooters wanting to post on instagram, as someone above suggests Why would casual instagram posters shell out over 6,000 € when they can get more than good enough quality for instagram in the much handier and refined body of the Fuji X100V for less than a quarter of the price?
Just a little thinking about the concept and asking for feedback would have prevented the debacle.
p.47 #12 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
I think this camera has struggled—conceptually, logistically, usability, size, feasibility with price, implementation of in camera editing—but I do really like the ethos of trying something different. Since the official announcement, I have always considered this to be fatally flawed on multiple fronts.
The Pixii took a radically different approach to modernizing mobility and workflow. I would love to see a ZX1 with a typical rear LCD, or no LCD, greatly reduced size, no internal hard drive or editing with LR in camera. Just have it seamlessly connect to a phone which are small computers at this point, and take care of all the software side and connectivity like that (the Pixii way). Focus on making the camera intelligently simple, seamless and responsive.
p.47 #13 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Alpha_Geist wrote:
Funny you mention that. I was talking to one of my photo buddies yesterday about the new Tamron zoom (150-500mm) for E-mount and I asked what was the last lens Zeiss released. I believe it was either their 135/2.8 or 40/2 Batis for E-mount...which made us wonder if Zeiss will ever (or has plans) to make more Zeiss lenses for the two other mirrorless “newcomers”, Canon and Nikon. The lens mounts for R and Z mount are much more similar in size/diameter than Sony’s E-mount, and therefore Zeiss can’t just port over their Otus brand of DSLR lenses without taking into consideration the larger mount diameters.
I wonder if Zeiss will forgo any future plans for a successor to their recent mirrorless bomb and just stick to lenses. I haven’t read/heard of any news/rumors that Zeiss has any new lenses in development.
I would love to see a MF Zeiss “larger than 135 format” lens for Fuji’s G mount. One can dream. ...Show more →
You may try to use the Contax 645 lenses on Fuji's G mount. My own experience is very positive - these Contax/Zeiss 645 lenses also autofocus, not very fast but reliably accurate.
p.47 #15 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Say all you want about how Zeiss missed with this camera in many ways. Although I agree with most critical comments, I do like the pictures from their new 35mm f/2 lens. Very sharp, low aberration and pleasant rendering. If one day, the ZX1 comes down in price (by a lot), I may grab one.
p.47 #16 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Fred Miranda wrote:
Say all you want about how Zeiss missed with this camera in many ways. Although I agree with most critical comments, I do like the pictures from their new 35mm f/2 lens. Very sharp, low aberration and pleasant rendering. If one day, the ZX1 comes down in price (by a lot), I may grab one.
Entirely agree. I am hoping to see this lens recycled in a stripped down version of the ZX1, or in some slightly tweaked version for interchangeable cameras. Looks like a beast.
p.47 #17 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
wolfloid wrote:
Then, the price! Given the image quality they were aiming at, and the inevitable Zeiss price premium, who were they actually aiming at? Casual shooters wanting to post on instagram, as someone above suggests Why would casual instagram posters shell out over 6,000 € when they can get more than good enough quality for instagram in the much handier and refined body of the Fuji X100V for less than a quarter of the price?
...or when they can get more than good enough quality for Instagram in the much handier body of, uh, well, their phone. Better screen, better connectivity, also with Lightroom...or Snapseed...
I will, however, echo others...image quality looks very solid. They could have gone for a more traditional body and focused their innovation on getting the photo from the camera to someone's mobile device seamlessly. That's a camera that would appeal to me. I'm just dumb enough to justify spending a lot on a fixed lens compact (Bought an RX1 new!) so I'm likely the target they should've been aiming at.
As is, I'll take that X100V, thanks...or maybe a used RX1R2...wait, what are used Leica Q2s going for these days? Sigh...
p.47 #18 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
The Sony A7C eliminated most of my interest in a full frame sensor point and shoot camera. With the right lens - the 28-60mm, 35mm f2.8, 40mm f2.5, 50mm f2.5, and many others, the Sony a7C is pretty much on par or better than most of the options out there with a very minimal size penalty, if any at all.
p.47 #19 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
tzhang4284 wrote:
The Sony A7C eliminated most of my interest in a full frame sensor point and shoot camera. With the right lens - the 28-60mm, 35mm f2.8, 40mm f2.5, 50mm f2.5, and many others, the Sony a7C is pretty much on par or better than most of the options out there with a very minimal size penalty, if any at all.
but you take a rendering and speed penalty. I am sure some are happy and consider the a7c with a small lens comparable to an RX1, but I notice quite a difference.
p.47 #20 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
nehemiahphoto wrote:
but you take a rendering and speed penalty. I am sure some are happy and consider the a7c with a small lens comparable to an RX1, but I notice quite a difference.
In my opinion, Sony missed a great opportunity with their new compact lenses. I'd prefer if they were f/2 but don't mind more compact f/2.5 lenses. What I do mind is that it looks like resolution was a main priority while rendering was just an afterthought.
There is nothing on the market like the RX1 series yet. It's still the smallest full frame camera with a lens capable of high resolution and superior rendering. The latter is still more pleasant than any other recent released 35mm lens imo.
Sony just needs to improve specular highlights' onion ring pattern (easy with their new tech), flare resistance, lower loCA slightly and keep the same rendering. On the camera side, improve the battery, menu and AF speed. The pop-up viewfinder is a bit annoying but has better magnification than the A7C's. Both usable though.
Why would casual instagram posters shell out over 6,000 € when they can get more than good enough quality for instagram in the much handier and refined body of the Fuji X100V for less than a quarter of the price?