p.43 #1 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
I can imagine some of the comments here about the phones are what large format users were saying about 35mm years ago. I think we've witnessed the passing of the torch and most people on forums like these are still stuck in an older era. It is highly doubtful these new generation will ever pick up a "real" camera. New generation is not a reference to age but rather to people who have made the mental shift. I still love my Sony but more and more I simply cannot deny how useful these phones are. Always with me, ultra-wide angle, video, stabilized, zoom lens... all in one package that fits in my pocket. The Huawei P40 Pro has an almost 1" sensor. There was a time when 35mm digital did not match film's resolution and quality. Years of discussions on these forums about that topic. History seems to have repeated.
These smartphones ARE the REAL camera of today, and the 35mm equipment are the camera of the old people. I'm an old guy and have accepted it. You don't have to like it nor adopt it, but we all must accept the reality.
p.43 #3 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
sflxn wrote:
I can imagine some of the comments here about the phones are what large format users were saying about 35mm years ago. I think we've witnessed the passing of the torch and most people on forums like these are still stuck in an older era.
There is no need to be insulting when people disagree with you. It simply proves you cannot really make your point.
I for one bought the iPhone 12 Pro because of its good camera. And it is quite good indeed, enough to replace a small sensor camera.
But it is not as good or even as convenient that a bigger sensor camera.
sflxn wrote:
These smartphones ARE the REAL camera of today
What a joke. Saying that only one thing is "REAL", in uppercase mean your brain cannot accept the diversity of tastes, needs and basically life.
Some people are like this: they explain that their choice is the only one, that one day everybody will share their opinion and that those who disagree are not really smart or worthy or whatever.
They simply are religious fanatics but about camera, which is even sadder.
Thanks for posting. A pretty good hands-on view of the ZX1’s back screen, menus and editing process. I’m sure more to come as DPR prepares their final review. Should be interesting!
p.43 #5 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
3rd party app no longer required. Apple has released RAW files for use immediately.
Actually, Apple's ProRaw processes the image beyond the usual understanding of putting the camera data in form ready to demosaic. It is the usual Apple view; we know what you like, and here it is.
p.43 #6 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
As I said before, what they did, I think they did well. I'll give them credit for executing their vision. I still don't see the point... If I could just share/export the RAW image to my phone it would save me a few steps.
p.43 #7 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
As I said before, what they did, I think they did well. I'll give them credit for executing their vision. I still don't see the point... If I could just share/export the RAW image to my phone it would save me a few steps.
A camera that struggles to focus on static objects is not something that has been done well.
One should not have to pay $6,000 to get images from a camera onto a smart phone.
p.43 #8 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
I think Zeiss still have a good chance to make it much better for being an Android, even AF I believe it might be possible to at least reach decent performance, but one thing I hope they got right is the deal with Adobe, they are developing a new generic camera app to come by the mastermind behind the Google Pixel cameras, if Zeiss get to use that app natively it might become a beast
and then pricing too can get a little better if they are willing to really bet on their product success
p.43 #11 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
As I said before, what they did, I think they did well. I'll give them credit for executing their vision. I still don't see the point... If I could just share/export the RAW image to my phone it would save me a few steps.
Dpreview has really gotten brutal with eking out multiple minor parts of a review nowadays for traffic. I know they need clicks, but wow. Just release the review or keep quiet, or do it in reasonable parts.
p.43 #12 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Dpreview has really gotten brutal with eking out multiple minor parts of a review nowadays for traffic. I know they need clicks, but wow. Just release the review or keep quiet, or do it in reasonable parts.
Someone explain to me the appeal of DPReview again...
p.43 #13 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
genji wrote:
Someone explain to me the appeal of DPReview again...
I don't like generally, but I do appreciate some of the technical aspects on camera bodies, and specifically the AF sections are helpful--I always find it hard to gather reliable info on AF. Where do you read reviews for bodies? I always love a new good source...
p.43 #14 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I don't like generally, but I do appreciate some of the technical aspects on camera bodies, and specifically the AF sections are helpful--I always find it hard to gather reliable info on AF. Where do you read reviews for bodies? I always love a new good source...
I’m not really a good person to ask about reviews for camera bodies. I read the feature list for the A7R4 last year and knew immediately that the stated improvements were enough to justify upgrading from an A7R3 so no review necessary. The only camera body I’ve purchased this year is a Leica M4 which I decided upon after a process of elimination made possible by this page:
p.43 #15 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
genji wrote:
I’m not really a good person to ask about reviews for camera bodies. I read the feature list for the A7R4 last year and knew immediately that the stated improvements were enough to justify upgrading from an A7R3 so no review necessary. The only camera body I’ve purchased this year is a Leica M4 which I decided upon after a process of elimination made possible by this page:
If I eventually decided to get either an M10M or an M10R, I’d rely only on Reid Reviews.
I’ll make a decision about an Sony A7R5 by reading the specifications....Show more →
That makes sense. For me, personally, and the type of shooting I do, I want a different type of review eps. for AF stuff. It would be hard for me to understand how some features really are without.
Also, there's a couple really gorgeous images in that Monochrome review you posted. Lovely.
p.43 #16 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
As I said before, what they did, I think they did well. I'll give them credit for executing their vision. I still don't see the point... If I could just share/export the RAW image to my phone it would save me a few steps.
Not sure if you saw this above, but it's possible this is exactly what the ZX1 accomplishes. Maybe someone like dpr should check and confirm if the ZX1 helps offload RAWs to the LR cloud so people can work on their RAWs from any device.
bjornthun wrote:
Lightroom Camera in conjunction with Lightroom/Adobe cloud subscription will let your raw iPhone images appear on your mac/PC and on your iPad all by themselves. This will be the real advantage of the Zeiss ZX1, if it works on that camera. Editing on a 4-5” screen is a fools errand in my opinion.
p.43 #17 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
teddoman wrote:
Not sure if you saw this above, but it's possible this is exactly what the ZX1 accomplishes. Maybe someone like dpr should check and confirm if the ZX1 helps offload RAWs to the LR cloud so people can work on their RAWs from any device.
But why do I need it to do that? I could skip a step if it just got it to the device I wanted to edit on...the one the camera has to be connected to that, in turn, needs to be connected to the internet via data or wifi. My phone is already signed in and connected to all of my cloud services. I don't want to sign in again. Besides, it looks awkward to hold and edit on.
p.43 #18 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
genji wrote:
Someone explain to me the appeal of DPReview again...
I'll take a go at an answer.
There are some real winners on the DPR staff that often produce heaps of first class reference and news material:
Richard Butler, technical editor is known for his in-depth photography technology articles usually dispelling a lot of the myth passed around by the forum and Youtube experts-- his work is often one of my personal favorites.
Barney Britton, Senior Editor, is also another special talent in my opinion. He is also known for producing some very informative brand sponsored high quality videos. Not to mention leading the editorial staff.
We all know Rishi Sanyal, Science Editor, who doesn't seem to be very publicly active for some time now. Another very good hard hitting talent when it comes to vetting out the more technical side of photography, equipment capabilities and or weaknesses.
Then there are the invaluable interviews with all the leading companies/manufactures, from CEO to optical engineers, to product marketing. Too many to count but DPR is a heavyweight and often gets the scoop and details that many other forums reuse.
DPR might post some of the worst brand sample photography photos on the planet but their brand/product data presented is usually spot on and professional level informative.
p.43 #19 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
But why do I need it to do that? I could skip a step if it just got it to the device I wanted to edit on...the one the camera has to be connected to that, in turn, needs to be connected to the internet via data or wifi. My phone is already signed in and connected to all of my cloud services. I don't want to sign in again. Besides, it looks awkward to hold and edit on.
If you are working in a collaborative framework, you can take the shots, make some notes and adjustments, and those are seen by pads and computers of the others in the team. The stylist looks at the images on his/her screen and checks out the hair, makeup and clothes. An editing assistant can start working on making the suggested-by-example changes to the images from his/her office while you continue the shoot. Client is looking at the images as they come together (from his or her office) and if the look doesn't satisfy him or her, they can send suggestions for another approach without having to be present (in the current situation they might very well want to not be present at the shoot for safety). Now, of course the ZX1 is a fixed focal length fixed lens camera and not the camera you'd choose for this kind of a shoot, but the important concepts can be adopted to other cameras.
p.43 #20 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Dave Sanders wrote:
As I said before, what they did, I think they did well. I'll give them credit for executing their vision. I still don't see the point... If I could just share/export the RAW image to my phone it would save me a few steps.
I like what you wrote here Dave "...what they did [Zeiss ZX1], I think they did well. I'll give them credit for executing their vision."
My exact thoughts when I first saw this last DPR video ZX1 interface and operations. Very reminiscent of working with photos on my iPhone and both the iCloud and Adobe Cloud. And frankly who wouldn't want the ecosystem of the iPhone with a true FF sensor and a specially fitted Carl Zeiss 35/2 Distagon! My thoughts is the iPhone is very nearly getting there but through a different technology and approach and as you pointed out some room to grow their IQ as well.
The ZX1 has certainly shaken up the forums and comments sections across the board, even brought out some of the worst emotions/melodrama I've seen since Sony launched FF mirrorless. What comes of it who knows...but I remain very interested to know how this plays out and what it might or might not mean for what's to come. Good, bad or indifferent, the ZX1 is now for sale and part of photography history, let's see if Zeiss has the courage and budget to maintain and improve their ZX1 concept.
I do hope those of us interested in whatever direction ZX1 goes, or not might continue to be able to keep it together and maintain an adult conversation pros and cons, likes and dislikes in this thread. IMO repeated Rattymouse type comments can quickly turn a thread into a hell hole. Not needed, or appreciated and certainly not helpful.
If I didn't have to crack open for $6K ( another brand got too much of my budget), I would for sure give the ZX1 a try just because it attempts to do what I've been doing all along with multiple devices, services, apps, procedures etc.
