p.39 #2 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
LBJ2 wrote:
No, I don't plan to pay $6000 for the ZX1. But I am very happy Zeiss is at a minimum sending a very loud message to the other big guys who are inching their way to similar capabilities for some years now.
Zeiss' "message" is absolutely inaudible and will be heard by no one because they don't matter in the photographic world.
p.39 #4 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
This may be the best time to buy the RX1Rii from the classifieds. I have never seen so many of them on sale at the same time. I assume it's either people going for the ZX1 or a7c. It's old but it still has the same sensor as the A7Rii and Riii. It still has one of the best 35mm FF lens on the market.
p.39 #6 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
DougDolde wrote:
Apart from the resolution, the iPhone 12 Pro Max is far superior in every way
This is true if you line up the iPhone against every camera on the market. The ZX1 at least moves the camera UI from 2007 where most camera companies are stuck to 2017. The workflow for editing photos on a computer are insanely antiquated today. A lot of people here are clearly comfortable with that workflow but bad for business overall for the photography industry.
Zeiss’s biggest mistake was their camera partner - clearly someone new to the industry with little experience and no tech. The ui is forward thinking but the camera hardware is antiquated. Hard to justify the price for that experience.
p.39 #8 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
tzhang4284 wrote:
This is true if you line up the iPhone against every camera on the market. The ZX1 at least moves the camera UI from 2007 where most camera companies are stuck to 2017. The workflow for editing photos on a computer are insanely antiquated today. A lot of people here are clearly comfortable with that workflow but bad for business overall for the photography industry.
Zeiss’s biggest mistake was their camera partner - clearly someone new to the industry with little experience and no tech. The ui is forward thinking but the camera hardware is antiquated. Hard to justify the price for that experience....Show more →
Good point. Who actually built the ZX1 and wrote the firmware? Was it one partner or more than one partner, or did Zeiss do a some of this in-house other than the initial design( not very likely IMO). But again all very interesting to know I think.
Usual suspects?
Sony sensor ( maybe)?
European Sensor from CMOSIS and/or STMicroelectronics ?
Who might be the Made in China partners? Zeiss just announced a partnership with Vivo ( Chinese smartphone maker) I bet there are some ZX1 synergies there...maybe https://www.androidauthority.com/vivo-zeiss-1185223/
p.39 #9 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
DougDolde wrote:
Apart from the resolution, the iPhone 12 Pro Max is far superior in every way
The iPhone 12 Pro Max is another amazing camera phone all over again. But so are many other smart phone camera systems. Just a matter of time IMO, before they integrate more, ever larger sensors in one smart phone to close the gap even further on FF mirrorless cameras to "some" extent.
p.39 #11 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
tzhang4284 wrote:
This is true if you line up the iPhone against every camera on the market. The ZX1 at least moves the camera UI from 2007 where most camera companies are stuck to 2017. The workflow for editing photos on a computer are insanely antiquated today. .
p.39 #12 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
It's not hate, it's humour. Many enjoy a good laugh and Zeiss made a joke, it's almost a meme these days. Reminiscent of Hasselblad remaking those Sonys, or croc skin Leicas. There may be good reasons for the paucity of reviews. Like the puzzled looks reviewers find hard to keep off their faces.
p.39 #13 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
chez wrote:
Amazing...39 pages and going strong for a camera no one wants. Wonder what makes those so negative about the camera stick around?
Perhaps the fear that other camera makers might think there's a lot of merit to this approach (even if this version is not commercially acceptable) and incorporate some of its features into their future cameras?
For me and my purposes, further integration between capture and post-processing -- i.e., making cameras more like cell phones -- is a net negative, not positive, and will likely push me away from photography, not draw me further into it.
In fact, pretty much every technical advancement over the past five years or so has been, at best, worthless to me or, at worst, affirmatively detrimental.
Which is why I'm still using an A7R despite wanting to upgrade it and having the means to do so if /when the right camera crosses my path.
p.39 #15 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Audii-Dudii wrote:
Perhaps the fear that other camera makers might think there's a lot of merit to this approach (even if this version is not commercially acceptable) and incorporate some of its features into their future cameras?
For me and my purposes, further integration between capture and post-processing -- i.e., making cameras more like cell phones -- is a net negative, not positive, and will likely push me away from photography, not draw me further into it.
In fact, pretty much every technical advancement over the past five years or so has been, at best, worthless to me or, at worst, affirmatively detrimental.
Which is why I'm still using an A7R despite wanting to upgrade it and having the means to do so if /when the right camera crosses my path.
Unfortunately, you are in the minority here as can be seen by the various threads on what people want in their next cameras. Many want more...more...more. Canon has 6 stop ibis...why can't Sony have it. Where's my 28mm lens? Why doesn't Sony have a high mpix A9...and the beat goes on.
p.39 #17 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Guys, I have to say that this thread has seen a great development regarding argumentation. Some weeks ago all I saw was defensive and dump statements, but now as many have started to realize what the ZX1 actually is (me included!), the thread has much better discussion.
It's different concept than what we are used to (and taught into by big manufacturers), so I guess it's only natural that it takes a little time to people to get it. This isn't another incremental update where people need to check out what has been upgraded and how much so they can buy the same camera again. This one needs more work and people will realize it in different stages.
In some ways the reaction reminds me when the first mirrorless came to market. Traditional DSLR shooter went to witch hunt to prove that removing the mirror and adding EVF were nothing but gimmicks that cannot work in 'real photography' - and I still occasionally meet photographers recycle the old 'DSLR's are real cameras' narratives. This is what I mean that people 'get it' in different stages. There are those who adopt things in the first generation, the big mass that adopts it a lot later and finally those who keep on repeating the defensive point of views. The two latter groups usually think they understand what innovations are and what they mean, but the first group is usually the only innovative one (and is often seen as 'pretentious' or 'superficial' by the other groups). In short, it's easy to speak about major innovations when they have already happened, but it's totally different story to actually recognize the innovation when it's only becoming. I've said it earlier, but when Ford made the first automobiles, nobody wanted them because people only wanted faster horses - but one hundred years later the automobile is the worlds most sought after consumer product. It was basically the same with the computers, the cell phones, the mirrorless cameras, etc etc.
Why the defensive and difficult attitudes against the ZX1? The simple answer is that it challenges the status quo ie. how people are used to work with their products, cameras, files, post processing and such. 'The regime' and the its institutions always put up a fight against the big changes and innovations only happen when the regime is challenged. The thread simply reflects this challenge.
Ps. One very important thing I want to add here is that everyone should respect others nevermind what they think about the ZX1, camera industry or the state of the cameras in general. For me, and I believe for many others as well, the photographs are the most important thing - I do respect anyone who makes the effort for taking better photographs regardless of what they use or how they relate to things like new technology, social media or something else that are discussions of their own.
p.39 #18 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Kalainen wrote:
In some ways the reaction reminds me when the first mirrorless came to market.
There is no comparison. Mirrorless was a big change, in fact it changed the entire camera market.
The ZX1 is just one camera like any other, nothing special when we already have the Leica Q and the Sony RX1.
Kalainen wrote:
Why the defensive and difficult attitudes against the ZX1?
Reactions are not defensive: people simply state that they do not see the point in this camera.
Kalainen wrote:
The simple answer is that it challenges the status quo ie. how people are used to work with their products, cameras, files, post processing and such. 'The regime' and the its institutions always put up a fight against the big changes and innovations only happen when the regime is challenged. The thread simply reflects this challenge.
Sorry but this is a bunch of crap. The ZX1 is nothing new. Fixed lens digital camera? already exists. With a full-frame sensor? ditto. With in body camera editing? same.
And comparing the ZX1 with a political, economical or technological change is ridiculous. Not to mention that what you say is simply false: if it were true, we would still be using film based SLR, not a huge range of mirrorless cameras. The transition took less than 20 years. So much for the "fight against the big changes and innovations".
