p.37 #1 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
teddoman wrote:
Ten years from now, the LR app on the camera will still work because unlike a smartphone, the ZX1 will not constantly upgrade to new versions of Android.
I do agree part of what you're buying is LR. If you try using a part of the LR app that depends on pinging the Internet over wifi, and that part of the app is no longer supported, then yes you could run into problems. Not sure how the core functionality of LR would be affected but certainly GPS and other third party features could theoretically become affected.
It's valid to ask whether Zeiss intends to upgrade Android and the LR app, or whether their agreement with LR is based on the idea that LR on the ZX1 will run a legacy version of the app even after the app has moved on to newer versions. Adobe has an incentive to continue to support its mobile app, including legacy versions of it, because of all their mobile (and ZX1) users that are paying them a subscription fee even without any upgrades to the app.
p.37 #3 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
ilkka_nissila wrote:
Touch screens have been a part of camera user interface for quite some years now (5+). Integration of the most commonly used image manager and editing tool right on the camera itself is, however, new. Think about it: being able to make edits anywhere and the images appearing immediately on all devices that you might want to use for editing. Same controls and same images on the camera itself, on your mobile devices and desktop/laptop computers. No fuss, as soon as the shots are taken, they can be displayed and edited on any of your devices using similar tools. This is how it should be; Zeiss should be commended for taking steps towards this direction even if the first version has glitches....Show more →
Finally someone gets it right and puts it to words as well.
I think there's a lot to like about the camera. For example, classic controls (no PASM), modern GUI, apparently a great lens, cloud sync, LR-integration (no more double editing with 'SuperRawSeedPlus' with phone and LR with computer), unique look with an attitude, etc. But people keep on bashing it like it was a camera for satan worshippers..
Of course it's a first version and 'unperfect', but so was the first generation Sony A7, first generation Canon RP, etc. But at least it has actually something new in it compared to the usual upgrades. For example, what other would RX1 mark III have than megapixels? Go figure...
p.37 #4 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Kalainen wrote:
Finally someone gets it right and puts it to words as well.
I think there's a lot to like about the camera. For example, classic controls (no PASM), modern GUI, apparently a great lens, cloud sync, LR-integration (no more double editing with 'SuperRawSeedPlus' with phone and LR with computer), unique look with an attitude, etc. But people keep on bashing it like it was a camera for satan worshippers..
Of course it's a first version and 'unperfect', but so was the first generation Sony A7, first generation Canon RP, etc. But at least it has actually something new in it compared to the usual upgrades. For example, what other would RX1 mark III have than megapixels? Go figure......Show more →
Exactly my thoughts. It's nice to see someone step out of the box and revolutionize rather than chase the mpix race or try to keep focus on a damn birds eye. That and move the buttons over a few mm between revisions and call it an enhancement.
Hope Zeiss keeps up with their vision and perfects the rough edges.
p.37 #5 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
“If you want to do something iconic you have to have this great idea that picks it up”
“Zeiss has been thinking to re-enter the camera market for many, many years but for us it never made sense to copy something that already existed”
“Now is the time to combine classical photography with the elements of ease of use, connectivity that are known from the smart phone world, this is the concept of the ZX1”
Zeiss responded to the ZX1 price question in the comments on this video you can read for yourself:
Comment/Question: “Why is it $6000? That's silly overpriced”
Zeiss Response: “Thanks for your question. The ZEISS ZX1 is a sophisticated and technologically advanced camera concept featuring a high level of quality which is also reflected in the price."
Love it or leave it. The Zeiss ZX1 is now part of photography history. Personally I hope to hear more of the video reviews, updates and general status of how the ZX1 is doing out in the wild so keep posting what you find. And Yes it's a first generation camera, but so was the Sony FF mirrorless A7r concept and somehow it survived and flourished even became a market leader despite the worst the forum photographer community could throw at it.
p.37 #6 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
teddoman wrote:
I'm a Sony user, and we don't have a touchscreen menu yet. I remember I tried out a Panasonic GF3 almost a decade ago and distinctly recall being able to change the PASM mode on the touchscreen. I guess some manufacturers have decided to move towards touchscreen menus while others have not.
I agree, the ZX1 is really taking it to the next level. By doing everything on the rear screen, it's much closer to what we've become accustomed to on our smartphones.
I can count on one hand the number of photographers who do serious final edits on their smart phone and have 5 fingers left over. Paying $6,000 dollars, 6 grand! to gain the ability to use lightroom on a 6 inch screen is patently absurd and reason #1 why this camera is DOA.
Look at the facts. The camera is in stock. Today. No one here has it. No one is out saying how great it is. No one is ready to be that trend setter, operating under Zeiss' new paradigm. There's always someone ready to go as soon as a camera hits the market, except here with this joke from Zeiss.
Also, there is already a used ZX1 for sale at B & H. Already a returned camera! You can get one for $1,000 off list price! It's still over priced. By a lot.
p.37 #8 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
rattymouse wrote:
I can count on one hand the number of photographers who do serious final edits on their smart phone and have 5 fingers left over. Paying $6,000 dollars, 6 grand! to gain the ability to use lightroom on a 6 inch screen is patently absurd and reason #1 why this camera is DOA.
Look at the facts. The camera is in stock. Today. No one here has it. No one is out saying how great it is. No one is ready to be that trend setter, operating under Zeiss' new paradigm. There's always someone ready to go as soon as a camera hits the market, except here with this joke from Zeiss.
Also, there is already a used ZX1 for sale at B & H. Already a returned camera! You can get one for $1,000 off list price! It's still over priced. By a lot.
If people are worried that Zeiss got something wrong on the camera concept, that might hold them back, even if they are normally people who actually do buy expensive Leica and Zeiss gear.
The price issue is separate from the camera itself. If the complaints about potential tech obsolescence are not true, then that means it's mostly a great idea for a camera after all.
Priced as a premium Zeiss product, it may sell in low volume, but it shouldn't be because people think there's something wrong with the concept of the camera itself. Of course it's overpriced but that has never stopped a certain tier of buyer from buying from Leica Zeiss and other premium camera products.
p.37 #9 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
teddoman wrote:
If people are worried that Zeiss got something wrong on the camera concept, that might hold them back, even if they are normally people who actually do buy expensive Leica and Zeiss gear.
The price issue is separate from the camera itself. If the complaints about potential tech obsolescence are not true, then that means it's mostly a great idea for a camera after all.
Priced as a premium Zeiss product, it may sell in low volume, but it shouldn't be because people think there's something wrong with the concept of the camera itself. Of course it's overpriced but that has never stopped a certain tier of buyer from buying from Leica Zeiss and other premium camera products....Show more →
Let's be honest. Zeiss got almost everything wrong with this camera. I shutter to think how much money they dumped into that camera. Part of the problem is Zeiss still thinks of themselves as a "premium" product. The magic in that brand name has been gone for a couple years now. Sony made the right move to separate themselves from it. It's too bad really. We are going to see alot of changes I think in the industry in the next couple years and consolidation is going to be one of them.
p.37 #11 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
chez wrote:
Could you imagine the world today if progress stopped on these first incarnations of new concepts.
Am glad technology perseveres through all the negative feedback.
I agree but don't think that applies here. Zeiss didn't attempt anything outside the box, there is no new tech here. Just the opposite. People have been editing photos on phones for awhile. The scariest part to me is Zeiss not doing enough in the concept stage (as far as research) to figure out what people are really looking for in 2020/21.
p.37 #12 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
nhsonyshooter wrote:
I agree but don't think that applies here. Zeiss didn't attempt anything outside the box, there is no new tech here. Just the opposite. People have been editing photos on phones for awhile. The scariest part to me is Zeiss not doing enough in the concept stage (as far as research) to figure out what people are really looking for in 2020/21.
Doing a hell of a lot more than the big camera companies that are just chasing megapickles and fps.
p.37 #14 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Not sure we are talking about the same camera
I think we are...and I think we'll see more of this type of camera going forward. The pre-historic version of the film based camera is drowning right now...being eclipsed by phones. Something needs to change if cameras are to stay relevant in the next 10 years...and that has nothing to do with more pixels, faster AF or...wait for it...a touch screen.
p.37 #15 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
chez wrote:
I think we are...and I think we'll see more of this type of camera going forward. The pre-historic version of the film based camera is drowning right now...being eclipsed by phones. Something needs to change if cameras are to stay relevant in the next 10 years...and that has nothing to do with more pixels, faster AF or...wait for it...a touch screen.
Got no argument from me on the MP and AF race. I'm good. Yet funny enough Zeiss is just middle of the pack in MP and under performs in AF. Of Course we will see change but that is driven by phone's not the Zeiss ZX1. This is one of the most irrelevant launches of a product after 2 years of hype we will ever see. The only thing of value other company's like Sony, Canon and Nikon can take from this is you better know your customer base.
p.37 #16 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
teddoman wrote:
Of course it's overpriced but that has never stopped a certain tier of buyer from buying from Leica Zeiss and other premium camera products.
My point exactly. This time the price DID stop people from buying it. Where at FM are the few people who are always at the front of the line? Always at the cutting edge? They realize what an utter joke of a camera the ZX1 is and have simply taken a hard pass on this one. There isnt 2,000 dollars worth of innovation in this camera. $6,000 is an absolute insult to the consumer.
p.37 #18 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Let's be honest. Zeiss got almost everything wrong with this camera. I shutter to think how much money they dumped into that camera. Part of the problem is Zeiss still thinks of themselves as a "premium" product. The magic in that brand name has been gone for a couple years now. Sony made the right move to separate themselves from it. It's too bad really. We are going to see alot of changes I think in the industry in the next couple years and consolidation is going to be one of them.
The traditional camera industry is in the process of being totally wiped out. There is no end in sight in the collapse in camera sales from the regular makers. None at all. It's down, down, down.
p.37 #20 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Got no argument from me on the MP and AF race. I'm good. Yet funny enough Zeiss is just middle of the pack in MP and under performs in AF. Of Course we will see change but that is driven by phone's not the Zeiss ZX1. This is one of the most irrelevant launches of a product after 2 years of hype we will ever see. The only thing of value other company's like Sony, Canon and Nikon can take from this is you better know your customer base.
So where do you see the SoCanNikon's of the world move their camera business in the next say 5 years. More of the same and watch as their sales get taken over by the ever improving phones...or do they need to take a technological leap and come out with something that might attract the next generation of photographers. Right now...they are failing as the phones are advancing at an astronomical pace compared to the megapickle race the camera manufactures are in.
I'm not saying the Zeiss camera is the answer...but I'm giving Zeiss credit for the balls to step out of the box and try something...wish the SoCanNikon's of the world had those balls.
So much delusion packed into so few words. Very impressive.