The Adorama video also had some portraits that showcase the bokeh:
My initial impression is that the lens rendering looks every bit as nice as the RX1's, but I can't peep the RAW samples at the moment.
I also noted it comes with a custom all-black Peak Design Slide Lite strap, which is great.
The UI looks very fast, built on a version of Android. This camera obviously has CPU power more along the lines of a smartphone/tablet. I wonder how stripped down the version of Lightroom this thing runs is. Can you do more advanced things like: save custom presets, sync edits across photos, clone/heal, brush edits, graduated edits, etc? Or is it just the basics they showed like exposure, contrast, saturation? I'm not sure what is available on the phone/tablet versions of LR these days.
I also agree that this should have been sim-ready. Tethering the sharing/syncing aspect to wifi somewhat defeats the purpose....Show more →
p.30 #2 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
So, for those wanting sample images, how good must these samples be for you to purchase the ZL1? Having answered this for myself, I'll get back to playing ball with my dog.
p.30 #3 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
MikeEvangelist wrote:
I think the photos of the camera make it seems larger than it really is. For sure it's a bigger camera, but compared to others it's in the middle range.
p.30 #7 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
ChrisMak wrote:
Should it not have had a 28mm lens? Perhaps I'm alone in this, but 35 for a fixed lens camera is too narrow for me. 28mm would have been ideal, perhaps with a 35mm crop mode? Oh, and a choice of Lightroom and Capture one please..
Chris
To me the 35mm is a selling point - one of the reasons I've been hesitant to get a Leica Q is because I don't enjoy shooting at the 28mm focal length (similar to cell-phone cameras).
That said, $6000 makes the Leica Q2 look cheap. And the Leica camera is also smaller than this Zeiss. Hard pass on this - Zeiss's in-camera editing and sharing is cool, but not worth $6K.
p.30 #8 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Arka wrote:
To me the 35mm is a selling point - one of the reasons I've been hesitant to get a Leica Q is because I don't enjoy shooting at the 28mm focal length (similar to cell-phone cameras).
That said, $6000 makes the Leica Q2 look cheap. And the Leica camera is also smaller than this Zeiss. Hard pass on this - Zeiss's in-camera editing and sharing is cool, but not worth $6K.
I’d prefer a 35mm lens on the Q2 too but I suspect that one reason for the Q2’s popularity is that it’s 28mm FoV is similar to that of cell phone cameras. I think it’s reasonable to assume that people at Leica are delighted by the ZX1’s size and price.
p.30 #9 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
One of the things mentioned in the B & H video was that all development of everything was done in house by Zeiss, and there are no components of the camera that come from outside (of Zeiss). Which sounded like nothing so much as that Zeiss has designed and made their own proprietary sensor. Which would be interesting, if true. Hard to believe.
Sample photos look really good to me, better than you usually see from manufacturer marketing. Which may not mean anything about the camera, only the marketing department.
Would be interesting to learn more about the sensor though, as the MP size is all we know, outside of ISO range, and MP size is probably the least relevant thing about sensor quality. Also, the lens design is unlike any other 35mm lens that Zeiss makes for any other mount. Better, or just different?
To my mind, the lens and sensor quality are more important aspects of something used for photography than the shape of the body, whether it has a sim card or not, or the price for that matter, but I am usually a bit of an outlier. How good are the photos it throws down? That would seem to be the thing that dictates what price comparisons are relevant. I have an RX1RII, had an RX1, and some aspects of a couple of the sample ZX1 shots strike me as things you can’t get out of an RX1, as much as I like mine. Would love to see more samples though to see if that’s a trend. Maybe the price comparison, if we are doing Leicas, is to an M10 and a 50 APO Summicron, and not a Q2. So maybe it’s a bargain. (Rarified first world bargain.) We just don’t know at this point, and won’t until we start seeing more photos and a few tests. (I’m not in the market due to a recent case of penury, which isn’t Zeiss’ fault.)
p.30 #10 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
The ZX1 should be out in the wild next week or maybe even this weekend starting Nov 1st. More hands-on reviews should be coming soon too.
I am curious about the unexpected low shutter speeds, 1/2000-30s and 1/1000s or longer for the leaf shutter. Maybe a tradeoff for the up 1000s for flash? Of course the image quality of the downloadable sample images look very good to me. https://www.zeiss.com/consumer-products/us/photography/zx1.html#gallery
Since this is a fixed lens camera w/ in-camera software corrections, we will probably never see the 35/2 MTF. Hopefully DXOMark will test and review this camera.
p.30 #11 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
genji wrote:
I’d prefer a 35mm lens on the Q2 too but I suspect that one reason for the Q2’s popularity is that it’s 28mm FoV is similar to that of cell phone cameras. I think it’s reasonable to assume that people at Leica are delighted by the ZX1’s size and price.
p.30 #12 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Edward Teller wrote:
One of the things mentioned in the B & H video was that all development of everything was done in house by Zeiss, and there are no components of the camera that come from outside (of Zeiss). Which sounded like nothing so much as that Zeiss has designed and made their own proprietary sensor. Which would be interesting, if true. Hard to believe.
Sample photos look really good to me, better than you usually see from manufacturer marketing. Which may not mean anything about the camera, only the marketing department.
Would be interesting to learn more about the sensor though, as the MP size is all we know, outside of ISO range, and MP size is probably the least relevant thing about sensor quality. Also, the lens design is unlike any other 35mm lens that Zeiss makes for any other mount. Better, or just different?
To my mind, the lens and sensor quality are more important aspects of something used for photography than the shape of the body, whether it has a sim card or not, or the price for that matter, but I am usually a bit of an outlier. How good are the photos it throws down? That would seem to be the thing that dictates what price comparisons are relevant. I have an RX1RII, had an RX1, and some aspects of a couple of the sample ZX1 shots strike me as things you can’t get out of an RX1, as much as I like mine. Would love to see more samples though to see if that’s a trend. Maybe the price comparison, if we are doing Leicas, is to an M10 and a 50 APO Summicron, and not a Q2. So maybe it’s a bargain. (Rarified first world bargain.) We just don’t know at this point, and won’t until we start seeing more photos and a few tests. (I’m not in the market due to a recent case of penury, which isn’t Zeiss’ fault.)...Show more →
Zeiss produces equipment for producing sensors. So they will know how to design a sensor. They say everything was developed in-house, not that everything was produced by Zeiss.
p.30 #13 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
AcuteShadows wrote:
Zeiss produces equipment for producing sensors. So they will know how to design a sensor. They say everything was developed in-house, not that everything was produced by Zeiss.
Thank you for your response. The direct quote from the B&H video at 5:56 is: “with no outside parts or production .”
I have no idea if that will turn out to be true, or if the marketing person simply got carried away, but that was clearly what was stated.
That’s what I personally found to be the most interesting part of the video, because it is contrary to the normal expectation that corporations will outsource whatever they can, which is why I posted. I am not really arguing with you, but that was the claim in the referenced video. Again, I don’t know if the camera is completely produced in house or not, but it was the one claim in the video which I found the most surprising.
p.30 #15 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Edward Teller wrote:
Thank you for your response. The direct quote from the B&H video at 5:56 is: “with no outside parts or production .”
I have no idea if that will turn out to be true, or if the marketing person simply got carried away, but that was clearly what was stated.
That’s what I personally found to be the most interesting part of the video, because it is contrary to the normal expectation that corporations will outsource whatever they can, which is why I posted. I am not really arguing with you, but that was the claim in the referenced video. Again, I don’t know if the camera is completely produced in house or not, but it was the one claim in the video which I found the most surprising. ...Show more →
p.30 #16 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
How so?
Designed and made in China? If it is made in China, they should let the Chinese ship them worldwide. They know how to do it without all the duties and taxes. This will certainly make it a lot cheaper.
p.30 #17 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
AcuteShadows wrote:
Zeiss produces equipment for producing sensors. So they will know how to design a sensor. They say everything was developed in-house, not that everything was produced by Zeiss.
The statement made by the B&H employee in the video might very well be wrong, as you say, I don’t know. There is little doubt that you likely know more about the industry than I do, but the statement "The ZEISS ZX1 Camera is designed in Germany and manufactured in China." in the provided link was made in answer to the question posed to B&H on their website: “where is it made?” The response you quoted was not from Zeiss, or B&H, or any inside source, it was an answer posted by “a shopper.” Someone like me, in other words. And I have no idea where it is made other than the statement made in the B&H video, which was that there was “no outside production.”
Made in China makes more economic sense than made directly, in house, by Zeiss so you are very possibly correct. I don’t know, but we’ll know soon enough. Even the “shoppers” will know eventually.
p.30 #19 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
Edward Teller wrote:
The statement made by the B&H employee in the video might very well be wrong, as you say, I don’t know. There is little doubt that you likely know more about the industry than I do, but the statement "The ZEISS ZX1 Camera is designed in Germany and manufactured in China." in the provided link was made in answer to the question posed to B&H on their website: “where is it made?” The response you quoted was not from Zeiss, or B&H, or any inside source, it was an answer posted by “a shopper.” Someone like me, in other words. And I have no idea where it is made other than the statement made in the B&H video, which was that there was “no outside production.”
Made in China makes more economic sense than made directly, in house, by Zeiss so you are very possibly correct. I don’t know, but we’ll know soon enough. Even the “shoppers” will know eventually....Show more →
I was indeed unsure how to refer to the author of the statement. It may be a B&H customer. But the person/group/institution that uses this profile has answered several questions on the B&H website about the product, all in a way that is consistent with someone speaking on behalf of Zeiss itself or an authorized distributer.
p.30 #20 · In-Stock: 37MP Zeiss ZX1 full frame camera
See below for the response, which backs up the staff response. A $6000 camera from China, looks like what it is.
'a fixed lens camera w/ in-camera software corrections'
We have find RX1 MTF, it's far etter than the majors putour (10/20/40 lpmm -vs- 10/30 lpmm). Karbe has said the SL lens MTF is unadulterated by fake 'corrections'. Maybe the Q2 as well? I'll look around.
