adamx12m wrote:
I recently added a sony rx100 iv to the canon family and shooting at 16fps and slow motion for the past few weeks kind of changes some perspective on high speed sports shooting and short 4k video clips. It doesn't have the focusing precision of a 1D or bulky size, but I was recently shooting some baseball and the little sony shooting at high speed was pretty impressive. It has to be tough for canon to figure out how they can charge $6-$7K for a camera with more AF points, faster AF, faster fps, and an incremental bump of megapixels when these lower costing models are increasing their presence as useful tools.
Canon don't use logic when it comes to setting price. They've shown time and time again they'll charge whatever they think they can get away with irrespective of competition's pricing and the thought that the RX100 would have even an iota of effect on 1DX pricing is hilarious. I won't put it past Canon to increase price of new model despite their overall sales sliding and facing twin pronged attack from smart phones and mirrorless. Canon would rather sell 1 camera at $7000 than 5 at $4000.
vivial6 wrote:
I want more of those ”Register / Recall function buttons” with "hold/release" functions so you don't as easy forget which mode you are in.
Yes, they can just call it AF-On2 and put a pointy nipple on it to make it feel different.
Then we can also add * to Register/Recall as well if we need a 3rd setting (I do)
BUT....
I would die for the ability to change the Drive mode with the Register / Recall. I only need High speed continuous for my slow shutter pans. They could even add this to the current 1DX in software.
I just got my 1DX so I can't afford the MKII till the MKIII nears release.
For those in search of another 2 shooting modes with a single press.... Set the M-Fn to toggle the C modes. Then setup a C mode with another 2 shoot settings. 1 click of M-Fn turns it on.
tonyxcom wrote:
Yes, they can just call it AF-On2 and put a pointy nipple on it to make it feel different.
Then we can also add * to Register/Recall as well if we need a 3rd setting (I do)
BUT....
I would die for the ability to change the Drive mode with the Register / Recall. I only need High speed continuous for my slow shutter pans. They could even add this to the current 1DX in software.
I just got my 1DX so I can't afford the MKII till the MKIII nears release.
For those in search of another 2 shooting modes with a single press.... Set the M-Fn to toggle the C modes. Then setup a C mode with another 2 shoot settings. 1 click of M-Fn turns it on.
Yes I use the M-Fn and C modes all the time to switch between sun and shade settings. It is the one thing the 1DX can do that the 7D2 can't. I think it is because the 1DX uses a button and internals to switch AV/TV/M etc and the 7D2 uses a physical dial so they couldn't give it that same function.
tonyxcom wrote:
Yeah. I miss some of the viewfinder info from the 7D2 though. Which will no doubt be in the 1DX2.
Yes, I'm sure everything that has come out in 7D2, 5DS etc will be in the 1DX II and more of course. Anti-flicker is a given, newer VF is a given although many are hoping for an entire revamp to get back to red squares like the 1D4 and previous. Still, I find the newer style viewfinders to be perfectly fine so I don't care one way or the other. Just don't go back to giant rectangle AF points like the 1D4...hate those things....
I have no interest in buying this type of camera, but look forward to see any new technologies, like digic processors, sensor readout strategies and fast memory card interfaces.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Canon don't use logic when it comes to setting price. They've shown time and time again they'll charge whatever they think they can get away with irrespective of competition's pricing and the thought that the RX100 would have even an iota of effect on 1DX pricing is hilarious. I won't put it past Canon to increase price of new model despite their overall sales sliding and facing twin pronged attack from smart phones and mirrorless. Canon would rather sell 1 camera at $7000 than 5 at $4000.
The duopoly is locked in step at the flagship level. I don't see either one dropping the pricing at that level (1DX2/D5). In fact, I could see them increasing it easily. That's why I would love to see Sony release a pro ML body and shake things up. I'm not against Sony, I'm not against ML, but you've got to offer something that competes for me to seriously take a look.
ggreene wrote:
The duopoly is locked in step at the flagship level. I don't see either one dropping the pricing at that level (1DX2/D5). In fact, I could see them increasing it easily. That's why I would love to see Sony release a pro ML body and shake things up. I'm not against Sony, I'm not against ML, but you've got to offer something that competes for me to seriously take a look.
Even though Canon may not use logic....I still think Canon would prefer $20,000 to $7000 any day of the week. However, they do want to still keep the 1 series as a high-end luxury item so maybe they are looking to take some loss in overall sales $s to maintain the premium feel. Sort of like Apple Watch Edition...could have made more money with a lower price but Apple wanted to maintain some sort of manufactured luxury prestige...
arbitrage wrote:
Even though Canon may not use logic....I still think Canon would prefer $20,000 to $7000 any day of the week. However, they do want to still keep the 1 series as a high-end luxury item so maybe they are looking to take some loss in overall sales $s to maintain the premium feel. Sort of like Apple Watch Edition...could have made more money with a lower price but Apple wanted to maintain some sort of manufactured luxury prestige...
I think the unification of the 1D bodies really hurts them here at least for the mid level sports shooter. It was really nice to have that $4999 option for 1D2,1D3, and 1D4. $6800 is a big jump for what many don't even want (FF).
OT, I've yet to see a single person wear an iWatch. Can't really say I blame people as even this Apple-centric (Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, iPhone6) fan has a hard time finding anything interesting about it.
arbitrage wrote:
Even though Canon may not use logic....I still think Canon would prefer $20,000 to $7000 any day of the week. However, they do want to still keep the 1 series as a high-end luxury item so maybe they are looking to take some loss in overall sales $s to maintain the premium feel. Sort of like Apple Watch Edition...could have made more money with a lower price but Apple wanted to maintain some sort of manufactured luxury prestige...
Lets also not lose sight of the fact that only Canon and Nikon offer pro DSLR bodies with an entire suite of "pro" lenses to match. So not only is there a lack of competing bodies, there won't be any other real players without a solid set of lenses to match.
I 'think' most of the professionals using the pro bodies are sports shooters. Meaning there isn't a suitable non Canon/Nikon alternative to the 1DX and D4S. Mirrorless isn't there yet, especially not with lens attached with adapters.
If the price is going to come down, either Canon or Nikon undercut themselves (aint gonna happen) or another manufacturer needs to offer a pro body and more importantly, lenses to match (aint gonna happen).
I think the unification of the 1D bodies really hurts them here at least for the mid level sports shooter. It was really nice to have that $4999 option for 1D2,1D3, and 1D4. $6800 is a big jump for what many don't even want (FF).
OT, I've yet to see a single person wear an iWatch. Can't really say I blame people as even this Apple-centric (Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, iPhone6) fan has a hard time finding anything interesting about it.
I was negative towards the Apple Watch also when it was announced...I also own almost all Apple stuff...but....I bought one two weeks ago after being able to go into the Apple Store in Vancouver on a long layover. It is now my favourite product from Apple...the convenience of it as basically an external display for iPhone is way better than I expected. I bought the cheapest one possible as I'm sure it will be outdated in a year but I have changed my tune a lot. The few others I know with one (and yes it is very few) also just love it. I can be doing a root canal and still get messages
ggreene wrote:
I think the unification of the 1D bodies really hurts them here at least for the mid level sports shooter. It was really nice to have that $4999 option for 1D2,1D3, and 1D4. $6800 is a big jump for what many don't even want (FF).
I tend to agree. Canon probably ended up selling longer glass as an unintended or intended consequence though. But I think the ruggedness and weather sealing of the 7D2 is a good indication they wanted to elevate this camera in their lineup. When I got mine, my 1D4 was demoted to backup.
ggreene wrote:
OT, I've yet to see a single person wear an iWatch. Can't really say I blame people as even this Apple-centric (Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, iPhone6) fan has a hard time finding anything interesting about it.
I've worn a watch every day for the past 10 years at least. I pre-ordered the Apple watch. Was impressed with replying to text messages from my wrist and being able to easily access a client list when I was at the racetrack. But then my phones battery took a substantial hit, I couldn't cross my arms without force touching the screen or the screen would activate while I was driving but when I wanted to check the time, it would only activate 70% of the time.
I went back to my trust mechanical watch after a month.
I still have the Apple Watch. Just waiting to see what the 2.0 software brings before selling it.
tonyxcom wrote:
I tend to agree. Canon probably ended up selling longer glass as an unintended or intended consequence though. But I think the ruggedness and weather sealing of the 7D2 is a good indication they wanted to elevate this camera in their lineup. When I got mine, my 1D4 was demoted to backup.
I've worn a watch every day for the past 10 years at least. I pre-ordered the Apple watch. Was impressed with replying to text messages from my wrist and being able to easily access a client list when I was at the racetrack. But then my phones battery took a substantial hit, I couldn't cross my arms without force touching the screen or the screen would activate while I was driving but when I wanted to check the time, it would only activate 70% of the time.
I went back to my trust mechanical watch after a month.
I still have the Apple Watch. Just waiting to see what the 2.0 software brings before selling it.
RobertLynn wrote:
I've a handful of automatic watches and I'll never switch one out for a digital apple thingy ma-jingy.
For me I haven't worn a watch for the past 10 years and relied on a phone or whatever for the time. Therefore the Apple Watch is actually pretty useful to me as it basically allows you to keep your phone in the pocket or in my jacket hanging in the closet at work. To each there own...it isn't for everybody....
I haven't worn a wrist watch since getting a real smart phone, about three years ago.
I had coffee with an old acquaintance, today. He was wearing an Apple Watch, and he took a few texts while we reminisced. Not an issue. Yet it is an issue.
It's easy to be connected. It's not so easy to be in the moment.
arbitrage wrote:
I was negative towards the Apple Watch also when it was announced...I also own almost all Apple stuff...but....I bought one two weeks ago after being able to go into the Apple Store in Vancouver on a long layover. It is now my favourite product from Apple...the convenience of it as basically an external display for iPhone is way better than I expected. I bought the cheapest one possible as I'm sure it will be outdated in a year but I have changed my tune a lot. The few others I know with one (and yes it is very few) also just love it. I can be doing a root canal and still get messages...Show more →
I don't think I'd want you getting messages while you did my root canal, I'd prefer you to be concentrating on my dentition
Niall
jcolwell wrote:
I haven't worn a wrist watch since getting a real smart phone, about three years ago.
I had coffee with an old acquaintance, today. He was wearing an Apple Watch, and he took a few texts while we reminisced. Not an issue. Yet it is an issue.
It's easy to be connected. It's not so easy to be in the moment.
I haven't worn a watch since 1973. We had no smartphones then, just dial phones.
It used to be considered rude to check a phone in a meeting, but now is commonplace.
