Pixel Perfect wrote:
How's your distance vision with contacts. My euyesight isn't too bad, but I need to hold the camera 12" away to see the LCD sharply. If I fix this with contacts I assume my distance vision gets worse, which is what I don't want.
I had the same fear about distance vision. My distance vision actually got better with the contacts due to the astigmatism correction. Every bit of my eye issues are due to aging (I'm 49) -- I had 20/15 vision with no astigmatism or any other issues until my 30's when it started getting worse. Finally, a few years ago it began to affect my daily life and specially my photography. I got an eye exam and found out about the presbyopia and also that I had developed a bit of astigmatism.
I went through 3 doctors before I found this one. All prior experiences were much less than stellar. In one case, my contacts did summersaults every time I blinked (another poster mentioned this phenomena) and I almost got in a wreck over it once.
I cannot stress enough how critical it is finding a good optometrist with a good bit of experience with these type contacts. In addition to diameter and curvature, you have 3 other parameters that interplay with each other and must all be near-perfect for it to work right. I said earlier that fitting torric multifocals correctly is an art.... its more like a dark art. If you find someone that really knows their craft, its magic.
chez wrote:
Do you really think you would use this with your EF lenses just to save a little weight. If you are already taking your lenses, why not just also take your 5D3 ungripped? How much savings is there is size once you add the adapter onto the P&S?
Maybe I have a mental block, but I really don't see myself ever taking this along with a bag full of full frame lenses? I can see taking this with the 20mm lens in place of all my other gear, but to just replace the 5D3 with this camera and keep all those lenses, what are you really saving?...Show more →
Yes, Chez, based all all your "anti-M" remarks (yes, we are back in Kansas!), you have a mental block.
I don't know why you have trouble seeing the possibilities for fun or less inhibited photographing.
Your model makes the case for a not-too-smart owner of 5D3 and a bag of lenses, who abandons the 5D3 and instead brings the M with the same bulging bag of lenses. I seriously doubt that is how it would play out for most owners. On a trip, yes, that fellow might take the M in addition to the 5D3, instead of hauling a 60D, or 7D, or something. Another likely scenario is the owner of multiple Canon bodies takes the M along with a couple lenses, be they M or EF/EF-S and has a nice little walk around town.
pKai wrote:
I had the same fear about distance vision. My distance vision actually got better with the contacts due to the astigmatism correction. Every bit of my eye issues are due to aging (I'm 49) -- I had 20/15 vision with no astigmatism or any other issues until my 30's when it started getting worse. Finally, a few years ago it began to affect my daily life and specially my photography. I got an eye exam and found out about the presbyopia and also that I had developed a bit of astigmatism.
I went through 3 doctors before I found this one. All prior experiences were much less than stellar. In one case, my contacts did summersaults every time I blinked (another poster mentioned this phenomena) and I almost got in a wreck over it once.
I cannot stress enough how critical it is finding a good optometrist with a good bit of experience with these type contacts. In addition to diameter and curvature, you have 3 other parameters that interplay with each other and must all be near-perfect for it to work right. I said earlier that fitting torric multifocals correctly is an art.... its more like a dark art. If you find someone that really knows their craft, its magic....Show more →
Thanks for the advice. Yeah your eyesight sounds like mine, went from excellent to average in my 40's, but not so bad as I can still read without glasses unless light is low. My distance vision has gone off a bit too. If I push my eye a little I can get back a sharp image!. I've had astigmatism forever. Strangely my left eye is better for close-up and my right is better for distance.
My wife got a new Lasik surgery that bascially makes a diffractive optics pattern in the eye and only takes 20s, no cutting, and corrects presbyopia immediately. The only slight effect she notices is with headlights at night causing a bit more glare. Didn't really affect her distance vision although they said it might get a tiny bit worse. She was reading without glasses the same day. Her eye sight was much worse than mine.
I'd personally rather have perfect distance vision and use glasses for reading, but not sure that's possible or not. Need to talk to optometrists.
I see some great benefits to this new camera and the new system. However after initially thinking that it would be a lovely camera to own i am starting to struggle to justify it. For me right now it's not going to be added to my kit, i will still lust after the X-Pro1.
It will be interesting to see the hands on reviews when they arrive. Initially skeptical I can see some possibilities if the price is right...and more importantly...the IQ.
But I still wonder why it will be a preferred buy over a 1GX.....because once one starts adding the superior EF lenses the body size becomes an irrelevance and something like a 60D makes more sense than the M body...it is all getting quite 'bulky'!
FWIW, I am downsizing my kit because I am no longer working professionally.
I am also doing video, so I was very, very happy to get the T4i. That is now my primary camera, where I once used the 1DsIi (at $8,000) and had $15K of Canon glass, along with $50K of studio equipment.
I plan to sell my Canon G10 and buy the EOS M with the 22 mm. I am reducing my lens kit from 14+ lenses to 6-7: 3-4 primes & 3 zooms.
My planned kit:
* T4i
* EOS M
* 22 mm 2.0 STM (photo & video)
* 40 mm 2.8 STM (photo & video)
* 90 mm 2.8 TS-E
* 18-135 IS STM (for the video IS and the STM: video)
* 24-70 2.8 L (for highest quality, photo & video)
* 70-200 4.0 (sold the 2.8 IS, too heavy for me now)
Plus a Hoodman with HoodCrane for each camera (to use the touch screen), and an external Cineroid EVF. All on a Zacuto Target Shooter and/or a RedRock Cinema Field kit.
I am very, very happy with this setup. The only reason I would change would be for better video image, better video firmware, or a better codec (C Log, etc.)
For still images I am 100% happy with the T4i and it's auto focus. The STM lenses & auto focus with them (based on the 40 mm) is just perfect for video. (I will test some more with STM & regular lenses in Live View for photo and report back.)
Still hoping Canon releases one more body this fall that has an improved video image more like the 5D3 though (Canon Rumors says 2 new bodies for Photokina?)
Biggest problem with this camera - > I don't need it I don't need many other PS cameras, and even if they will glue some questionable lenses to it I am still not moving towards getting it. Most of my friends are with same opinion, it is a joke! Most people who wants to save $ and size are getting Rebel with kit lenses, it is also much cheaper and will be better on shots I am sure.
Things they did right:
APS-C not some dinky sensor.
Adapter to EF lenses out the door.
Things they did wrong:
No EVF. I absolutely loathe holding a camera away from my face to take a photo. I can think of absolutely NOTHING that says amateur like a camera that works that way. Way back when the Minolta Dimage 7 had an acceptable EVF and that was in the early 2000's!
When you put a camera to your eye it serves several purposes:
1- Keeps the arms in close to stabilize
2 - Visually isolates to aid in composition
3 - Better to evaluate or modify focus
So I'll stick to a desire to own the Sony Nex-7. Too bad Canon - try again with serious photographers in mind...
BubbaJon wrote:
Too bad Canon - try again with serious photographers in mind...
Their intention wasn't to make a camera for "serious photographers," as can be seen from the UK press release:
Offering DSLR-quality imaging, creative features and Full HD movie creation in a compact and easy-to-use model, the EOS M is the perfect, take-anywhere partner for a new breed of enthusiasts who chronicle their lives through images, without necessarily considering themselves to be ‘photographers’.
S Dilworth wrote:
Their intention wasn't to make a camera for "serious photographers," as can be seen from the UK press release:
Offering DSLR-quality imaging, creative features and Full HD movie creation in a compact and easy-to-use model, the EOS M is the perfect, take-anywhere partner for a new breed of enthusiasts who chronicle their lives through images, without necessarily considering themselves to be ‘photographers’.
That attitude is going to come back to bite them. People buying cameras ask their friends that are "into cameras" what to buy or read posts/reviews on the web. If all the posts are that the Canon system is for posers and other systems, say the NEX, are for people that care about getting good images what do you think they will buy.
jerrykur wrote:
That attitude is going to come back to bite them. People buying cameras ask their friends that are "into cameras" what to buy or read posts/reviews on the web. If all the posts are that the Canon system is for posers and other systems, say the NEX, are for people that care about getting good images what do you think they will buy.
Ha!
Canon built the company on people who got good images with entry level cameras and stayed and moved up within the system.
If you think all the posts about Canon are that Canon is for posers, then sell up and get a system that won't make you look like a poser.
I don't believe that Canon doesn't know what they are doing.
Canon built the company on people who got good images with entry level cameras and stayed and moved up within the system.
If you think all the posts about Canon are that Canon is for posers, then sell up and get a system that won't make you look like a poser.
I don't believe that Canon doesn't know what they are doing.
Really don't care if they know what they are doing. This camera is not for me. Too little, way too late. Already have an X100 which I love.
Really interesting where the rest of the troops ( Sony, Oly, Fuji, Pany ) are pushing Canon and Nikon. Used to be these big guys were the innovators...now they taken the roles of me-too. This whole explosion of mirror less cameras has forced Canon's hands and I believe they are grudgingly entering the game. Love the Sony's of the world pushing the technologies to new hights. I wonder when Canon will incorporate IBIS into their mirror less?
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chez wrote:
Really don't care if they know what they are doing. This camera is not for me. Too little, way too late. Already have an X100 which I love.
Really interesting where the rest of the troops ( Sony, Oly, Fuji, Pany ) are pushing Canon and Nikon. Used to be these big guys were the innovators...now they taken the roles of me-too. This whole explosion of mirror less cameras has forced Canon's hands and I believe they are grudgingly entering the game. Love the Sony's of the world pushing the technologies to new hights. I wonder when Canon will incorporate IBIS into their mirror less?...Show more →
If you belive a company like Olympus are pushing Nikon and Canon Then you have not seen or listen to any news about the Olympus company in the last couple of years
chez wrote:
Really don't care if they know what they are doing. This camera is not for me. Too little, way too late. Already have an X100 which I love.
Really interesting where the rest of the troops ( Sony, Oly, Fuji, Pany ) are pushing Canon and Nikon. Used to be these big guys were the innovators...now they taken the roles of me-too. This whole explosion of mirror less cameras has forced Canon's hands and I believe they are grudgingly entering the game. Love the Sony's of the world pushing the technologies to new hights. I wonder when Canon will incorporate IBIS into their mirror less?...Show more →
Guess you are enjoying another session of Canon bashing. Mind you, I find AF on the EOS M too slow and its base ISO dynamic range too limited, so I have no intention of getting a Canon mirrorless camera myself. Even then, I find it increasingly painful to read your endless tirade against anything Canon.
FYI. Despite their intense efforts to unseat Nikon and Canon in the camera arena, Sony has really not made much headway. Just look at the latest sales results in their home ground, Japan:
DSLR category (Sony SLT is included here by BCNRanking):
1. Canon @ 59.8%
2. Nikon @ 28.8%
Really don't care if they know what they are doing. This camera is not for me. Too little, way too late. Already have an X100 which I love. Chez
+1 a little late for me too. I already carry with me everywhere GF-1 for 2+ yrs now and still enjoy it. bashing or not, the truth is Canon should be a step in front of a little "panasonic" ,"olympus" or "sony", not "oops! we better get in this market". Just think back about the good old day with "little" full frame OM-1 or whatever Canon/Nikon film body model, that is the way the DSLR should march toward. Canon should know that.
Sam tran wrote:
+1 a little late for me too. I already carry with me everywhere GF-1 for 2+ yrs now and still enjoy it. bashing or not, the truth is Canon should be a step in front of a little "panasonic" ,"olympus" or "sony", not "oops! we better get in this market". Just think back about the good old day with "little" full frame OM-1 or whatever Canon/Nikon film body model, that is the way the DSLR should march toward. Canon should know that.
"If you substitute and optical viewfinder with an EVF, the size, weight and cost of the camera would come down quite a bit. You'd be eliminating the need for a prism and a mirror, which currently limits how small of an SLR you can make."
deepbluejh wrote:
So the new release is fascinating to me, if only from a curiosity standpoint. I have no use for a small mirrorless camera, so the point is moot. Personally I have a cell phone for casual shots (that's surprisingly good), and a 5DIII setup for professional work. I really have no desire for anything in between, especially at $800+.
I'm on the same boat as you. My iPhone serves me fine for silly shots, and my 5DII is saved for my landscape/cityscape work. I have no reason to have another camera in-between my DSLR and camera phone.
With that said, I think this is a decent offering from Canon. The release certainly offers some key features for those of us who don't want to lug our DSLR's, but still want to maintain a similiar quality and feel to the photo's we want. I wouldn't necessarily say this is a home run on Canon's behalf, but it's a step in that direction.
I seriously doubt that is how it would play out for most owners. On a trip, yes, that fellow might take the M in addition to the 5D3, instead of hauling a 60D, or 7D, or something. Another likely scenario is the owner of multiple Canon bodies takes the M along with a couple lenses, be they M or EF/EF-S and has a nice little walk around town.
