I think in a few months to a years time the m could be a considered purchase .
there are many times when DSLR kit is too big . ive had Rebel sized stuff before and dont see the slight size reduction (over my current 7D) to be worth it.
andyjaggy82 wrote:
Because photographers are a bunch of gear head whiners who love to complain about everything. Does that answer your question? Sorry if I offended any of you, you know it's true.
This isn't a camera aimed at enthusiasts, which I suspect is the reason for all the hate/whining/bitching/griping.
Canon, like Nikon, is positioning this as a step-up offering for Powershot users wanting better image quality / flexibility but who find DSLRs off-putting. Not as a replacement for DSLRs. This is a perfectly reasonable and legitimate business strategy for Canon and Nikon, the two worldwide leaders in the DSLR market.
Personally, I think focusing on the camera body is irrelevant. The more interesting discussion is probably around the EOS-M system itself. Will it grow someday to include enthusiast and even professional models? Perhaps, if the DSLR business begins shrinking and competition from others heats up.
But we shouldn't expect Canon and Nikon to prematurely hasten the death of the DSLR market. If you want market disruption, you'll have to find it from the niche players like Olympus.
Monito wrote:
Oh boy, here we go again. The stable profitable 75 year old company is "stupid". Do you think they will fold their photography division next year for lack of sales and lack of profits and lack of world class cameras? Are you agreed with skibum5 that Canon doesn't have any people on staff who actually make photographs?
Kodak was older and more "stable". Nokia, Palm, Blackberry - all very "stable"....
You need to innovate to keep attract attention. They waited as long as possible to even touch the mirrorless,
had all that time to see what works what doesn't, what makes people excited - NEX-7, OMD, X-Pro -
and what makes them angry - Nikon 1, Pentax.
They cold come up with something amazing. And they released this POS boring, "could be released 5 years ago"
camera... Why do you defend them? Because they are Canon?
I think it's a good start for a mirrorless camera. I'm sure Canon has plans for other more advanced offerings down the line. The price is kinda high but I'm sure will come down in due time. Both the G1X and the 5d III had high price points initially and prices came down fairly quickly.
Ian.Dobinson wrote:
Copied from the WEX website
"The Canon Speedlite 90EX Flashgun - included with all Canon EOS M kits"
And from the press relese on DPR
"Additionally, the EOS M will ship with the new Speedlite 90EX flash unit as standard. Lightweight and highly-compact, it offers a maximum guide number of nine and supports wide-angle lenses, making it an ideal general-purpose flash for everyday use. A wireless master function also allows the control of multiple flash guns wirelessly, allowing more advanced users to experiment with a range of creative lighting effects."
That's weird. I looked at the "What's in the Box" section on B+H and there is no mention of the flash. Hopefully that was just an oversight and it is included.
What's in the Box
EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Lens
R-F-4 Camera Cover (Body Cap) for EOS Bodies & Extension Tube Fronts
LP-E12 Lithium-Ion Battery Pack for EOS-M Mirrorless Digital Camera (7.2V, 875mAh)
Battery Charger LC-E12 for Battery Pack LP-E12
E-43 Lens Cap for 43mm Diameter EF-M Lens
EB Lens Dust Cap for EF-M Lenses
Neck Strap EM-100DB
Battery Cover
USB Interface Cable IFC-130U
EOS Digital Solution Disk
Instruction Manual and Instruction Software
One Year Limited Warranty
chez wrote:
Why would you buy a nice small portable camera and stick this big ugly EF lens on it and have to hand hold the unbalanced system at arms length composing a shot all the while fiddling around with the touch screen to set you focus point and ajust your exposure? Seems like you need a third hand to make this usefull.
I'm baffled here... There are a number of smallish primes you could use on it.
18-55
22/2
24/2.8
28/2.8
35/2
40/2.8
50/1.8
What the hell do you people want? Would it have been better had canon NOT offered EF compatibility? Can you imagine the outrage if they didn't?
garyvot wrote:
This isn't a camera aimed at enthusiasts, which I suspect is the reason for all the hate/whining/bitching/griping.
Canon, like Nikon, is positioning this as a step-up offering for Powershot users wanting better image quality / flexibility but who find DSLRs off-putting. Not as a replacement for DSLRs. This is a perfectly reasonable and legitimate business strategy for Canon and Nikon, the two worldwide leaders in the DSLR market.
Personally, I think focusing on the camera body is irrelevant. The more interesting discussion is probably around the EOS-M system itself. Will it grow someday to include enthusiast and even professional models? Perhaps, if the DSLR business begins shrinking and competition from others heats up.
But we shouldn't expect Canon and Nikon to prematurely hasten the death of the DSLR market. If you want market disruption, you'll have to find it from the niche players like Olympus.
I think you've got it backward. I see this more for pros who already have existing EF lenses and want something tiny (for whatever reason) they can just toss in the bag for when they don't want to use their DSLRs. There are a plethora of other options for people wanting to step up from a P&S. When viewed in that context, the new Canon offerings make NO sense. Why would someone starting out with nothing buy this over an Olympus or Sony? They wouldn't.
As for this bring pro gear? Spare me. The pros are too busy with their real pro gear to concern themselves with these mirrorless toys.
Function > Form in the pro realm. These cameras here are devices of convenience, nothing else. They bring NOTHING useful to the table other than their small size.
If I had the money this would earn a place in my bag. I would LOVE a small offering compatible with my current lenses when I want to save on a few pounds and inches.
deepbluejh wrote:
I'm baffled here... There are a number of smallish primes you could use on it.
18-55
22/2
24/2.8
28/2.8
35/2
40/2.8
50/1.8
What the hell do you people want? Would it have been better had canon NOT offered EF compatibility? Can you imagine the outrage if they didn't?
If I want to stick an EF prime onto a camera, I'll use a DSLR. The rebels are perfect for this. My view of a mirrorless camera is one that I can put into a jacket pocket and have it with me all the time. The exludes any of the primes you mentioned above.
I'm not concerned with the lack of viewfinder, and the dearth of buttons and dials on the camera. I'm not sure why so many people are complaining about those. This is clearly an entry-level model. A high-end model will inevitably include those features people have been asking for.
What I liked:
Magnesium alloy body in an entry-level camera
Metallic lens barrels, even with kit lenses
APS-C sensor instead of the rumored 1.5" sensor
What I didn't like:
Unlike EF-S, the design of the EF-M mount rules out the possibility of full frame
Obnoxious prices for the entry-level camera and the entry-level 18-55 lens
Mirrorless Format would've been better off with sensor-based antishake than optical I.S.
i think it really does make sense, despite the things i wish it had. it probably appeals to a range of folks:
your average mom and pop can now take photographs/video with APS-C image quality in what is essentially a no brain point & shoot package. these are the folks who wouldn't carry a rebel, and even if they did they wouldn't want to learn how to use it.
also, green box-ers will be interested. i was at a wedding on saturday and there had to be a dozen people using entry level DSLR's. every one of them had it set to the green box with the "poppy-uppy" flash blazing away. i bet you $50 if you told them they could have the same image quality in something half the size they would buy that instead. they folks don't buy tons of lenses - and when they do they get the 55-250 and call it a day. they don't need a huge selection of L glass. i bet canon rolls out a 55-250 in short order.
then you have the cranky bastards like us who will eventually give this a whirl when they roll out mkii with the viewfinder and a couple more primes
My impression is that this camera MUST have an STM lens on it for decent focusing speed. Put a regular EF lens on and you might as well manual focus...
also, imaging when the cell phone/point & shoot crew discovers you can shoot at f/2 ISO 6400 and get usable (for the web, where most of this content will go) results without a flash. i think people will really like this
chez wrote:
If I want to stick an EF prime onto a camera, I'll use a DSLR. The rebels are perfect for this. My view of a mirrorless camera is one that I can put into a jacket pocket and have it with me all the time. The exludes any of the primes you mentioned above.
If you need anything smaller than the EF-M with a 22/2 or 45/2.8 then NO mirrorless will do. The only thing that will fit the bill is a small point and shoot.
KaaX wrote:
My impression is that this camera MUST have an STM lens on it for decent focusing speed. Put a regular EF lens on and you might as well manual focus...
