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CGrindahl wrote:
Just to set the record straight since Andy and Ben are trying to make my reluctance to buy a Df and disinterest in using adaptors into a sign of mental illness, I'll comment. First remember I'm a retired but previously licensed marriage and family therapist. I know the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual and the DSM diagnoses that fit me have nothing to do with cameras, lenses or adaptors...  This thread has maintained its equilibrium for almost ten years to a certain extent because I know how to deal with mentally disturbed characters who happen to like Nikon manual focus lenses...  You KNOW who you are... 
With regard to the Df, it arrived on the scene about a year and a half after the D800. Most of you likely recall the story of how I took delivery of a D800 from B&H Photo for Donald Jean who asked that I remove the lithium battery and ship the camera on to him in Italy. Of course, I was happy to solve this problem, asking only that I be allowed to play with the camera for a week. He was fine with that, so I rambled about with the camera and played with our favorite lenses. I HATED the camera because of the shallow grip they used. After carrying the camera for about an hour my fingers were cramping. I did a check online and read a great many complaints about the grip, and if I'm not mistaken, one of the reasons for the release of the D810 was redesign of the grip.
This is what Lloyd Chambers had to say...
https://diglloyd.com/blog/2012/20120405_1-D800.html
After many years with the D700 that fit my hand perfectly, I was one of the many who felt the D800 came nowhere near being a suitable replacement. That meant, of course, that when the diminutive Df arrived the following year, I was apprehensive. Had I been able to hold one in my hand it would have immediately answered my question, but there were NONE available locally and I certainly wasn't going to buy and return one simply because of how the grip felt. What I did instead was noted by everyone on this thread... I kept asking folks how the camera felt to them. I think it ultimately was a comment from Ken H. that tripped me into the buy column. (I saved about $1,400 buying used. I don't buy new cameras.) The grip is much smaller than the D700, but so is the rest of the camera. The grip works just fine.
With regard to adaptors it is simply the old "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it." People talk about how wonderful mirrorless cameras are... they're smaller and lighter. Probably if you're using native lenses designed for the body that will be true, but once you start adding an adaptor and larger lens you're dealing with a small camera hanging on the end of a large mass of metal. Can it be done? Of course it can but why? If I didn't like the Df and wanted to shoot with pre-AI lenses, it might make sense... but I own a Df and can mount all the Nikon lenses I want to mount and they all meter. Blessedly, my eyesight is good enough at my advanced age so I can gain focus in the Df viewfinder most of the time... though at the moment I fear the Df is playing with... but that later.
I won't talk with you about my retirement income except to say I quit working full-time much too early to secure one of those gold-plated retirement program like Reagan and Ken got. So I must live within my means...
So no DSM diagnosis here, just a fellow who until recently has enjoyed shooting with a Df... next post.  ...Show more →
Yes, Curtis, we know who WE are......and more to the point......we know who YOU are (I wish I had that devil image to insert here).
As for mirrorless, you're right about size - not just the bodies but the lenses. The Canon R lenses are bigger, way bigger, than their L equivalents (and way more expensive). That's the reason I bought the Z7. I knew I didn't want to lug around those huge canon lenses. I can put my canon 135mm f2 on the Z7 and everything works, aperture and AF. Yes, it's not a small kit, but it's still smaller than the 5D Mark IV, or the equivalent DSLR, and over the course of the day, even relatively minor differences have an impact.
As for your 'if it ain't broke don't fix it" comment, oh Curtis, Curtis, no-one is saying DSLRs are broke, they're essentially the same camera as mirrorless, minus the ......er.......mirror. I'm sure there's a section in the DSMIV about people who can't let go of mirrors. The advancements in technology that bought EVFs and electronic shutters are just beginning, they're going to continue, especially as every camera company, even Hasselblad and Leica, has gone mirrorless.
As for your exposure problem, I don't have the 55mm anymore, I have the 5.8cm , works perfectly on the Z7. Rafael says the problem is that your aperture is slow. Not sure what he means by that. You ask whether it's "time to move to Fuji/Sony/Leica?" You're citing restricted retirement income yet you're considering Leica........?........I think you might have a couple of the DSMIV pages stuck together. After your comment about the small grip on the Df I doubt you'll like Sony's handling. The Fuji's are crop cameras. The Z6 is a screaming bargain right now.
Reagan - the word 'banal" haunts me too - but I didn't come up with it, it was Philippe (although he denies it now). I took a pic of the Colosseum the other day with the 20mm f3.5UD but I didn't dare post it because of the "b" word.
Laura - yes, I know, that drove me crazy too. That's a bow on her cane.
Doug - welcome - not really my place to welcome you, as I'm a blow in myself -and I don't have any criticism of your pic -
I like it but then I'm into dark moody pics. If I had to nitpick I'd say it's a little bit cool, I'd have warmed it up just a smidgen - but that's not a criticism, just personal taste. Nice work, and nice to see the 24mm NC.
Ben
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