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p.1264 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Adam,

That is one of the worst reasons I've ever heard for buying a MM.

For me the MM has been about letting go of the many options that don't really effect what I look for in a final image. I love quality content, graphical compositions, relationships subjects have to environments and to one another, tones, light and shadow play. None of which really has anything to do with the many bells and whistles that modern cameras bring. The MM limits me to focus on what is fundamental to my intended end vision...without the many choices that exist with other cameras.

The MM will not make your BW images any better (I'd argue that my rx1 bws are better). It will really limit you. And unless you identify how your vision fits the MM you will in all likelihood be frustrated.

Chuck



Jan 13, 2016 at 08:24 PM
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p.1264 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


relms wrote:
Adam, I will post a more detailed response to your question when I have access to a keyboard, but based on my experience you will not regret purchasing the Monochrom or M246. I've had both, and feel that the M246 is well worth the extra cost. The quality of the files is astonishing.

-Robert


Adam,
There is very little that I can add to what has already been posted in response to your question. While both models are extremely sensitive to highlights, I found that the 246 handled them better than the original M Monochrom, but there was also something about the look of of the files from the 246 coupled with the APO 50 Cron that I did not find with the original version of the M Monochrom. It was a union made in Heaven. More than likely that improved look was a result of a 24MP sensor on the M246 vs.18MP on the Monochrom.

The resolution difference, and the higher ISO capability of the 246 justified, for me, the upgrade, but with either camera, I feel certain you will enjoy the experience of shooting in black and white, and the freedom from white balance. I will have to admit, there were a few times in the beginning when I delved into the menus looking for the WB settings.

-Robert



Jan 13, 2016 at 08:27 PM
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p.1264 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


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Mitch, The photo with the soldier illustrates for me how much this craft really is about painting with light. The transition from low-contrast tonality on the left to high-contrast on the right, seemingly separated by a soldier who looks like he has stories to tell, makes this one stand out for me.

Beauport, I rather like the symmetry in this one, with the top-left and bottom-right rather smooth and the bottom-left and top-right full of natural textures. Even the dock and the table balance each other near the center. To my eye, which might be immature, this looks like the kind of snapshot that is well represented among more famous Leica shooters: ordinary at first glance but something about it just pulls me in for longer viewing.

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Uhoh, As with Beauport, the Boyfriend photo reads like a snapshot but has a lot to it. Subject-ground with your daughter and the boyfriend, lots of texture around them, the headboard and frame next to it and frame on the floor balancing out the warm color of the day, the texture around the fringes of the midzones, the strongly skewed perspective lines adding energy. Good eye for that snap, I do think.

Coogee, just looked that up, and now I'm thinking that I should try to convince my girlfriend that our Scotland & Wales tour should include NSW. Dunno how that'll go over.

Ryan, the flower-on-pavement photo has an interesting characteristic to it. I think it has to do with the sharp edges of the specular highlights, but the pavement stripe seems much further away than it looks, almost as if it is under several inches of clear, frozen water.

Gary, the interior of the tram shot is quite nice. Technically, I see blues and yellows balancing each other, but mostly I think it is the contrast between that clean, vacant car and the lightrail I'm used to using. :-)

Abram, there are lots of street photos where subjects walk into nicely framed compositions, but I'm not sure I've seen shadows used like this before. Thank you for that.

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Werner, again I like the contrast levels that you work with. I'm also impressed by how you pull off 15mm without it being strikingly wide.

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Canerino, I'd swear that swimming pool near/far image is from one of my photo books ... if not, it deserves to be. I think what makes it work are so many things being implied: the youngest about to hit the water, on the left reacting, on the right focused on going somewhere, the railings and the stairs on the bottom left.

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Joshua, that last chandelier just pops and glows. I think it makes a good high-tone study.

Adam, I never really liked B&W until I forced myself to work in it (due to my relationship with Sony colors). Then I fell in love with it. B&W is both liberating and challenging at the same time, much like working with a manual lens or manual exposure, and I think it has also dramatically improved my ability to see in color. {Is that enough to feed your desire or do you want more? :-) }

...and everyone's posts that I didn't comment on, I'm liking everything I'm seeing but no particular things to articulate are coming to mind. I like the volume and variety in this thread, so know that I appreciate you sharing your work.

From me--


Good morning, Portland. (26)

M9, 35 FLE, Capture One.

Cheers,
Jon



Jan 13, 2016 at 10:25 PM
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p.1264 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


relms wrote:
Adam,
There is very little that I can add to what has already been posted in response to your question. While both models are extremely sensitive to highlights, I found that the 246 handled them better than the original M Monochrom, but there was also something about the look of of the files from the 246 coupled with the APO 50 Cron that I did not find with the original version of the M Monochrom. It was a union made in Heaven. More than likely that improved look was a result of a 24MP sensor on the M246 vs.18MP on the
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... I can just see my self being frustrated that I can't find the JPG settings to turn monochrom shooting off. And I'll be scratching my head wondering what's going on, and why I can't find the option.



Jan 14, 2016 at 12:04 AM
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p.1264 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


JonPB wrote:
(Pg 1305)
Mitch, The photo with the soldier illustrates for me how much this craft really is about painting with light. The transition from low-contrast tonality on the left to high-contrast on the right, seemingly separated by a soldier who looks like he has stories to tell, makes this one stand out for me...


Jon - thanks for the perceptive comments. Of course, with the current situation in the country, it can also be read politically, but I won't get into that. Love your B&W night shot — and I'm a sucker for night shots with beautiful tones,


Adam - my preference is mildly for the the MM over the M246, not with the vehemence with which I prefer the M9 over the M240. If you have an M240 it makes sense to get the M246, with the controls being identical on both. Also, an MM that you buy right now is likely to develop sensor corrosion in the hot and humid Singapore climate. My MM developed it in Bangkok within six months of my picking it up new in Paris. Now it has it for the second time. However, Leica has informed me that they have the new sensors now and the sensor replacement is scheduled to be done in Wetzlar in February, while I'll be in Paris.



Jan 14, 2016 at 12:25 AM
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p.1264 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Mitch Alland wrote:
Jon - thanks for the perceptive comments. Of course, with the current situation in the country, it can also be read politically, but I won't get into that. Love your B&W night shot — and I'm a sucker for night shots with beautiful tones,

Adam - my preference is mildly for the the MM over the M246, not with the vehemence with which I prefer the M9 over the M240. If you have an M240 it makes sense to get the M246, with the controls being identical on both. Also, an MM that you buy right now is likely to
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Yes that was another issue. Someone I have sold lenses to in the past who chats with me from time to time has a MM9 and they quoted him $5,300 to "upgrade" to the M246. Which I thought was a bit ridiculous since you can get a new M246 for a good price, and the used market for the MM9 is still quite strong. It didn't make sense to me that Leica would want to still pull in such a hefty profit off of something that was their fault. And this corrosion issue happened to him under warranty 8 months new camera (he opted for it over the M246 for his own reasons that are unknown to me). Not even the whole good will "lifetime" warranty they're not offering.



Jan 14, 2016 at 01:25 AM
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p.1264 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


" Focus "

The Skyper
Highrise, Frankfurt





Focus by Werner Utsch, on Flickr



Jan 14, 2016 at 03:40 AM
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p.1264 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Jon and Edward, TY for kind words. Jon nice wet Portland shot.

Adam, my two cents:
Anything that makes you feel like shooting, puts a new edge on it is good.
Get the 246.
And this coming from me, who feels BW is way overdone today. Allan's comment about many shots not working in color is right: color is extremely demanding, especially on the street. Way harder I think. So I love to see the many good BW shooters in this thread shoot color, as Allan is now doing with the 262. Mitch has some wonderful color stuff. Leica makes the best colors, both the lenses and the bodies, and to my eye the M9 has never been bettered


Council Woman by unoh7, 50cron

One of my favorite Leica BW shooters today

That guy has a monster photostream, and not everything is top notch, of course, but in there he has some incredible gems, I think



Jan 14, 2016 at 09:43 AM
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p.1264 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


uhoh7 – I think one can argue both sides of which is more difficult, B&W or color. My take on it is that it's easier just get an "acceptable" shot in color; and, in B&W, it's easier to get a "striking" shot. But for a really great shot, the type that one produces only a few a year, either mode is just as difficult as the other. I find that, for shots I care about, I'm just as likely to keep on re-processing one as the other.

I see that your lovely shot above was taken at ISO 640: are you moving to that for low-light shooting with the M9? I also think the M9 color is hard to beat — and that, contrary to conventional wisdom, it's a great camera for low-light photography.



Jan 14, 2016 at 10:06 AM
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p.1264 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I would argue that B&W may be even more difficult. Color, (if manipulated to much) is automatically rejected. It either looks right or not (there is some latitude) but B&W is really wide open to individual interpretation.

With film, many large format zone system photographers, referred to color as a barbaric medium. The reason is you do not have the control and ability for person expression with color like you do with B&W negatives. Rarely ae any of the scenes that say Adams photographed accurate for the way the scene actually looks. It;s the way it looked to Adams in his minds eye. With the zone system you can control tones, first through negative processing times, temps, developer dilutions to place tones where you want them to be, which as Adams pointed out, is usually not reality.

When you start changing times and temps in color you start having uncontrollable and uncorrectable color shifts.

Back to digital, I think both color and B&W present their own difficulties. They are both very difficult when talking about a really high technical level. And are just as challenging visually. To be able to see in color is no more or less difficult than to see in B&W. Just different.



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p.1264 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Essentially I shoot in binges, 3-6 months B&W and then 3-6 months in color. I don't like to switch day-by-day, as visualizing photos in B&W and color is very different.


Jan 14, 2016 at 08:03 PM
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haha I thought that might be a controversial assertion. But you guys know street shooting in color is very hard, as Allan describes very well. Compelling shots are fewer. In fact it's not done that much, compared to BW, these days. At least not so well. The monchrome move in itself adds novelty to an image, makes it unusual, and strips distraction.

BW historically was mostly shot as necessity, and even today, with film cameras, getting good color scans is a nightmare, the whole color workflow from film to digital outcome is really horrible, so it's understandable to shoot Tri-X with an M6. But converting perfectly nice color images to BW is a more modern phenomenon. I like it much more than all the muddy HDR, but still I find it highly affected. Loud.

That's just me, no authority, and I certainly don't expect many to agree. The counter arguments are interesting, and I've revised my opinions on nearly everything over time, so maybe I'll change this view too I would not mind a MM at all, just to marvel at the detail

And though I'm personally prejudice against BW in my own shooting, I certainly very much enjoy the polished pursuit of it in this thread, seriously. In fact the great BW stuff by you guys has informed my color shooting.

But in the end, like most of you, I shoot to my own evolving eye, regardless of what anyone thinks, for better or worse.


Getting Ready by unoh7, 50 cron


Marching by unoh7, 50 cron


Bare Slope by unoh7, CV 90/3.5


Footfalls by unoh7, 28 cron



Jan 15, 2016 at 12:04 AM
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p.1264 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Maybe I need more practice


Phone Booth by unoh7, 28 Cron


Lunch by unoh7, CV 90/3.5


Window by unoh7, 28cron.

On reflection, while I do think color is harder on the street, in many other situations its not, like my snowshoes above, or most landscapes especially with the nice light. Color can be very easy when it's right
I sound like Emily Litella



Jan 15, 2016 at 03:53 AM
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p.1264 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


" Before The Snow "





Before The Snow by Werner Utsch, on Flickr



Jan 15, 2016 at 04:43 AM
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p.1264 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I'll share my personal thoughts on B&W only cameras after my trip. But the M246 is in hand and will be coming with me next week. So far I'm still a bit skeptical :P


Jan 15, 2016 at 06:21 AM
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p.1264 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I've shot both on the street, A LOT. While I was in college in the early to mid 1980s I shot my first street work all in color. Color is just different way of seeing from seeing in B&W. With color you have an immediate connection with the viewer. B&W is an abstract. All photography for that matter is a bit abstract by it's very nature. Is two dimensional, it's a frozen moment in time. We don't experience life like that. It's 3 D and in fluid motion. Now if you add B&W to that you are even further from reality. I would argue that B&W needs to have that extra something to be really good. Almost every great movie director had done a film in B&W. As I said before color is just a different way of seeing. What matters is to find the right medium to express your vision and then learn how to use it to your visual advantage. Just like finding the right equipment to express that vision. Some see and work better in color. Some see and work better in B&W. They are very different seeing experiences.

I shoot color almost everyday with my commercial work. I shoot for my pleasure and for me to express my vision in B&W. Now that may change at some time but this is the way I have been seeing and working (personal work) for well over 3 years now.

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Jan 15, 2016 at 09:06 AM
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Werner_Utsch wrote:
" Before The Snow "

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1667/23753052133_a33e900d7b_h.jpg

Before The Snow by Werner Utsch, on Flickr


Leica S? Oh wow Werner.

Long in your possession? Congratulations to this wonderful Piece.

René



Jan 15, 2016 at 09:13 AM
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p.1264 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thank's René,
since this Monday
An offer i could not refuse....nor resist....

Grüße
Werner



Jan 15, 2016 at 11:29 AM
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Congrats.....


Jan 15, 2016 at 11:48 AM
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Love B&W and agree with Allan that it requires seeing well in B&W. For me it highlights the quality of light and shadows, the lines, shapes and textures going on in the scene. Turning a shot into B&W doesn't fix bad composition and boring light.
A recent favorite movie of mine shot all in B&W is Nebraska.
Can't even imagine that movie in color.
I really enjoy shooting my RX1 in RAW+JPEG B&W mode which can give you instant feedback on how your B&W shot will look so you can compose and try different things.
I remember an old B&W image of Allan's of a textured building wall corner where the great light accentuated the texture and lines of the wall, and think that is a great example of what B&W is all about. I think he used the image in his exhibit.
Just my $.02.



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